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Calling Out The Organic Growing Machines

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Calling Out The Organic Growing Machines

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Ok looking at mountain organics plant tonic I think we can do it boys. The skills I've picked up in fermenting from @oldskol4evr and @Ecompost have me pondering it. Would be a good addition.

Planning on making a pomegranate, blueberry, apple, ginger, yuca root, mint, and alfalfa sprout plant tonic ferment.
 
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Give that a month. I'll use a cup to a gallon of bubbled water. Apples, Raspberries, blueberries, pomegranate, ginger, yuca root, alfalfa sprouts, rosemary, mint, chamomile, agave nectar, brown sugar, and last but not least, 1 cup of starter tea.
 

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Organikz said:
Ok looking at mountain organics plant tonic I think we can do it boys. The skills I've picked up in fermenting from @oldskol4evr and @Ecompost have me pondering it. Would be a good addition.

Planning on making a pomegranate, blueberry, apple, ginger, yuca root, mint, and alfalfa sprout plant tonic ferment.
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give it a shot ,wont know till you try,im supose to have a frezze tonight,so tomorrow morning early i be harvesting my tomato plants,make FPJ out of it for spring,to bad too,they are the heavist i ever had ,4 ft tall and crammed full in the baskets
 
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Organikz said:
Ok looking at mountain organics plant tonic I think we can do it boys. The skills I've picked up in fermenting from @oldskol4evr and @Ecompost have me pondering it. Would be a good addition.

Planning on making a pomegranate, blueberry, apple, ginger, yuca root, mint, and alfalfa sprout plant tonic ferment.
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give it a go mate and let us know how it works out.
I use lots of FPJ using only the weed plants that dominate the system that i have been testing with varying results. These plants seem to have more primers, i am however yet to be convinced its the perfect answer to use the plants that grow the most vigorously in any area. It might be better to select plants based on sequence ratios of biological primers. EG if a sunflower has 4, then it might not be worth adding FPJ from a plant that has say 20, it may be the SNR generated by larger numbers of primers confuses the sunflower for no net gain.
Ultimately this appears to me at least, to be the reason why weeds appear to outgrow many of our target crops. they simply have more choice with regards to whom they can partner, so during times of environmental crisis, there is still an option, where the sunflower will have lost all contact long ago and be alone in the wilderness waiting to die. If we can only partner from a choice of 4 biological primers in any one system, then those whom can use more than 4 will have an advantage over us forever. I think the real work is to be done in phenotyping from soil to plant, for the future, choosing hybrids and landrace plants, soil types that have the most relationships among symbiotic microbes, since this will offer us the greatest chance to plant in a changing environment.
I am not yet convinced that we can add primers from plant x to plant y unless there is some more general relationship. IE that these come from the same family type or that root exudates are similar. But then I am constantly surprised at the reactions and abilities of microbes to adjust to changing conditions, food types.
If i look around at my land here, there are multiple legumes, some nodule forming, some not, the non nodule forming legumes are just as dominant as the forming legumes. So where is the advantage and why is the symbiotic variant showing no more signs of success than the non nodule forming? What determines the rate of non to nodule in any one spot? If the non nodule forming variants are not using Rhizobia etc, what are they using and how?
This week i am looking in to this with more concern. i want to answer the questions as to why some plants in a single family group form relationships with nodule formers, and why plants of the same family dont and how it can be that both can exist in any system without dominance naturally of any one type in a single soil type?
 
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Ecompost said:
give it a go mate and let us know how it works out.
I use lots of FPJ using only the weed plants that dominate the system that i have been testing with varying results. These plants seem to have more primers, i am however yet to be convinced its the perfect answer to use the plants that grow the most vigorously in any area. It might be better to select plants based on sequence ratios of biological primers. EG if a sunflower has 4, then it might not be worth adding FPJ from a plant that has say 20, it may be the SNR generated by larger numbers of primers confuses the sunflower for no net gain.
Ultimately this appears to me at least, to be the reason why weeds appear to outgrow many of our target crops. they simply have more choice with regards to whom they can partner, so during times of environmental crisis, there is still an option, where the sunflower will have lost all contact long ago and be alone in the wilderness waiting to die. If we can only partner from a choice of 4 biological primers in any one system, then those whom can use more than 4 will have an advantage over us forever. I think the real work is to be done in phenotyping from soil to plant, for the future, choosing hybrids and landrace plants, soil types that have the most relationships among symbiotic microbes, since this will offer us the greatest chance to plant in a changing environment.
I am not yet convinced that we can add primers from plant x to plant y unless there is some more general relationship. IE that these come from the same family type or that root exudates are similar. But then I am constantly surprised at the reactions and abilities of microbes to adjust to changing conditions, food types.
If i look around at my land here, there are multiple legumes, some nodule forming, some not, the non nodule forming legumes are just as dominant as the forming legumes. So where is the advantage and why is the symbiotic variant showing no more signs of success than the non nodule forming? What determines the rate of non to nodule in any one spot? If the non nodule forming variants are not using Rhizobia etc, what are they using and how?
This week i am looking in to this with more concern. i want to answer the questions as to why some plants in a single family group form relationships with nodule formers, and why plants of the same family dont and how it can be that both can exist in any system without dominance naturally of any one type in a single soil type?
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you know you just gave me a idea of thought,with what you say,i often wonder why folk complain and say ocean forest is to hot for there seedlings or seeds,but on the other hand i start a tailed seed in it all the time,ive yet to get a harvest from it without help,but im convinced this is the way things should be,helping each other if you dig,now with your comments maybe the 2 difrent sections of geographic area the stuff is made have something to do with that,,ya just woke half way threw a cup and thinking crazy need to blaze lmao
 
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Hell yah. I just STFU when @Ecompost talks from now on. Guy has so much info and i dont want to tie him up with remedial organics levels i work from. I might start a thread for why you chose organic griwing...for me it's the fact i dont have to follow a schedule to the exact nanosecond. I'd rather mix the ingredients to bake a pie once. Its not a balancing act. I've learned margin of error is a must.
 
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oldskol4evr said:
well guys hate to interupt you,,but my game is organic everything from weed to trees,contribute to it,,there isnt many us left it seems,,them clones there are weed if you didnt notice,and after 2 weeks they going in some of that char,,my soil also love the chiton,and the amends i make,,that is home made compost and i build my own soil,,so ya lets talk about old ways,just dont mention piss cause i still refuse to use it for nitrogen,hahaah,,started this cause for last 2 months cant find anything new in organic section,,so lets hear it,,be happy
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All organic from seedlings 35 days old
 

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you never had problems with the chips rotting your stems
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Shit my bad dude man. I started to answer earlier but i was burning a bird. Nah she turned out good. Juicy as a fried turkey honestly.

No I never have had an issue. The stalks harden up fast man. They will almost be woody within a couple weeks.I have to train fast or i can barely bend the branches. Idk but coot has credited MBP with helping to build thick, strong stems
 
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