Council Of First Knowledge, Jedi Temple Training Facility

[Wisher619]

May be giving those a shot, where I really fukt up last time was my drying/curing process. Was good smoke, but smell left a looooot to be desired. They smelled like fruity pebbles in prior to cut and after they never got out of the good ol drying hay/chlorophyll smell. Even to this day they never got much better.

so the reason why it would smell that way would be that IMO you didnt flush very well
see I used to think it was from drying to fast
but
not really the case
I just dried this last batch in 4 days because the fuckin humidity was @ 10%
and there is no hay smell

but there were a few that had that hayish smell
it was the few water leaves still on the stem
plucked them off and away it went

that means that when you flush
you wanna flush intil the discoloration hits the tips of the sugar leaves
if you break the chlorophyll down in the plant before you chop there wont be any wet grass chlorophyll once hanging and drying
and I presume it has to do with Heavy Nitrogen
also
I dry my plants until you can pop a bud off with your hand
no bendy shit to cutting with scissors
I dry trim
my first trim is literally by hand
throw the gloves on
all leaves wheather sugar or otherwise just come off
if I dont want to trim the sugar leaves off
I just snip with scissors the longer sugar leaves to uncover the bud slightly and I remove any remaining water leaves
I will post a pic of both types in a minute

 

[Wisher619]

Well it mixes back pretty clear. But I used to use GH, and everything is clear after that..
But what is happening, is you put the bennies in there, and now all of a sudden you have a live res..
Maintaining a live res is impossible over time, as one of the reasons they say change out every week in the same feed chart that says you should mix them all together. Also note, even tho canna does care about you, the charts are written for agg setups that have maximized all other aspects of the grow room.. We have to modify for your situation.. Those modification usually mean 1/2 to 3/4 of what ml they suggest as maximum, as well as minimizing things that could cause a newb problems.. Just base in the res.. Depending on what setup you use will also might cause us to modify.. Its a puzzle brother, and over time you will start to put it together.. And as long as your health stay good enough to ask me questions, and your anxiety allows for my late answers, I will help you understand the puzzle as best as I can.. This is a journey tho.. just enjoy it brother! it needs to be chicken soup for you healing soul as you go thru the surgeries...

there are no live bennies in canna
it is a hoax
the rhizo is digested and fermented and denatured etc....
and the enzymes arent what we think they are

Vader uses all in a F&D and just does addbacks no changeouts

 

[EventHorizan]

Yea sort of same thing happened to me on my last batch but the smell & the taste was both sort of off.. probably wasn’t only the curing process I messed up on but I don’t think it helped lol...

man after wisher told me to hang for 14 days straight at 60* and 60% rh, its always banging..
My first shit dried in 7 days and smelled like hay and tasted like shit,,,
I bragged on it tho!
LOL..
I have came a long way since then :)

 

[EventHorizan]

there are no live bennies in canna
it is a hoax
the rhizo is digested and fermented and denatured etc....
and the enzymes arent what we think they are

Vader uses all in a F&D and just does addbacks no changeouts

This statement is false then?
It contains multiple vitamins and is 100% natural. RHIZOTONIC adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speed up the growth of a balanced root environment.

 

[bicky studs]

so this all depends

are you gonna be running drain to waste?
I am under the assumption that your feed is fine
stir it up and it will probably clear up
the reason why your ph is shooting back up is your base water is tap
filled with Carbonate....which is a ph stabalizer .....at a higher ph level
so your base water is working against you nute mix
as well there are microbes in your base water that I am sure is being broken down by your enzymes
on another note
there is NOTHING alive in canna products
nothing "active"
the enzymes arent what we think it is and neither is the boost and rhizotonic

many people run the entire line in Flood n Drain/Drain to waste and are perfectly fine with the res sitting

I believe the cloudy is your base water fighting your mix
so keep a stick on hand for stirring
if you eventually get a res
I would suggest a really small pump to recirculate the res for 15min 3x a day

ive been stirring it and its getting worse.
correct im doing dtw to start with to get the hang of a res. in 5-6 weeks i wanna start a flood table.
i have also been reading many cases using all canna line in 1 tank.
thats wat i want!
my ro unit is on the way and im trying to source some sort of res local.

alot of the guys using canna with ro are mixing tap to the ro to get to 200-300ppm..? canna is made for tap. and with ro calmag, iron,... deficiencies...?
Should i be looking to by more stuff if we using ro?

 

[EventHorizan]

so this all depends

are you gonna be running drain to waste?
I am under the assumption that your feed is fine
stir it up and it will probably clear up
the reason why your ph is shooting back up is your base water is tap
filled with Carbonate....which is a ph stabalizer .....at a higher ph level
so your base water is working against you nute mix
as well there are microbes in your base water that I am sure is being broken down by your enzymes
on another note
there is NOTHING alive in canna products
nothing "active"
the enzymes arent what we think it is and neither is the boost and rhizotonic

many people run the entire line in Flood n Drain/Drain to waste and are perfectly fine with the res sitting

I believe the cloudy is your base water fighting your mix
so keep a stick on hand for stirring
if you eventually get a res
I would suggest a really small pump to recirculate the res for 15min 3x a day

I will have to remember that. I see some ppl sat that they add tap water to their system so it helps STABILIZE THEIR PH...
Crazy.........

 

[EventHorizan]

thats a good deal those look pretty damn solid
not like those bs flimsy "home gym" types

Ya its really nice and solid! I liked it,,
Im gonna grab some other weights tonight for it...
But I got to hit the gym, so im out..

 

[EventHorizan]

ive been stirring it and its getting worse.
correct im doing dtw to start with to get the hang of a res. in 5-6 weeks i wanna start a flood table.
i have also been reading many cases using all canna line in 1 tank.
thats wat i want!
my ro unit is on the way and im trying to source some sort of res local.

alot of the guys using canna with ro are mixing tap to the ro to get to 200-300ppm..? canna is made for tap. and with ro calmag, iron,... deficiencies...?
Should i be looking to by more stuff if we using ro?

eeew! I dont like that.. That made my hairs stand up!
Im leaving but this is a job for wisher anyway as I havent ever used canna.. I sometimes get that look in my waste bucket after it has been setting a few days...

 

[EventHorizan]

so the reason why it would smell that way would be that IMO you didnt flush very well
see I ised to think it was from drying to fast
but
not really the case
I just dried this last batch in 4 days because the fuckin humidity was @ 10%
and there is no hay smell

but there were a few that had that hayish smell
it was the few water leaves still on the stem
plucked them off and away it went

that means that when you flush
you wanna flush intil the discoloration hits the tips of the sugar leaves
if you break the chlorophyll down in the plant before you chop there wont be any wet grass chlorophyll once hanging and drying
and I presume it has to do with Heavy Nitrogen
also
I dry my plants until you can pop a bud off with your hand
no bendy shit to cutting with scissors
I dry trim
my first trim is literally by hand
throw the gloves on
all leaves wheather sugar or otherwise just come off
if I dont want to trim the sugar leaves off
I just snip with scissors the longer sugar leaves to uncover the bud slightly and I remove any remaining water leaves
I will post a pic of both types in a minute

yep..

 

[bicky studs]

eeew! I dont like that.. That made my hairs stand up!
Im leaving but this is a job for wisher anyway as I havent ever used canna.. I sometimes get that look in my waste bucket after it has been setting a few days...

yup 24hrs :crying2:

 

[Farmer P]

I'm still using up my canna on the small plants and before I water I split it up into 1/2 gallon clear bottles. If I don't use one and leave it sitting out it gets funky like that in one night so I stopped trying that. I think its probably the zym and rhizzo since they smell pretty funky right out of the bottle. The smell gets worse after it goes cloudy. I was putting the runoff in my res with no problems, but after my hash water fiasco I stopped that. Now I make what I need and dump the waste.

 

[Wisher619]

man after wisher told me to hang for 14 days straight at 60* and 60% rh, its always banging..
My first shit dried in 7 days and smelled like hay and tasted like shit,,,
I bragged on it tho!
LOL..
I have came a long way since then :)

and that method is the best by far
because you are drying and curing at the same time
no need for jars
because your plants did all process because of the humidity and temp creates that perfect enviro where as it dries it cures

 

[Wisher619]

This statement is false then?
It contains multiple vitamins and is 100% natural. RHIZOTONIC adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speed up the growth of a balanced root environment.

yup completely false
there is a dude on this sight or maybe another that completely broke down all canna products
no "Live Active" stuff
microbiological substances dosnt necessarily mean alive just that it is "Micro"

 

[MW7945]

75
I got another 150 pounds of concrete weights plastic coated.. I didnt even bring them in the house..

You got a bar for those? The plates in the picture are olympic 2" plates, and the bar on the bench is a 1" bar

so the reason why it would smell that way would be that IMO you didnt flush very well
see I used to think it was from drying to fast
but
not really the case
I just dried this last batch in 4 days because the fuckin humidity was @ 10%
and there is no hay smell

but there were a few that had that hayish smell
it was the few water leaves still on the stem
plucked them off and away it went

that means that when you flush
you wanna flush intil the discoloration hits the tips of the sugar leaves
if you break the chlorophyll down in the plant before you chop there wont be any wet grass chlorophyll once hanging and drying
and I presume it has to do with Heavy Nitrogen
also
I dry my plants until you can pop a bud off with your hand
no bendy shit to cutting with scissors
I dry trim
my first trim is literally by hand
throw the gloves on
all leaves wheather sugar or otherwise just come off
if I dont want to trim the sugar leaves off
I just snip with scissors the longer sugar leaves to uncover the bud slightly and I remove any remaining water leaves
I will post a pic of both types in a minute

Idk if that'd be the issue or not.. I probably over trimmed, so there's like zero leaf on them. And one plant I flushed for one week, one I flushed for two weeks to see how much of a difference I noticed. No difference, both smell like that. And I think my dry was like 5 or 6 days in a 50% RH tent

 

[EventHorizan]

and that method is the best by far
because you are drying and curing at the same time
no need for jars
because your plants did all process because of the humidity and temp creates that perfect enviro where as it dries it cures

I should of noted that! I throw them in a 5 gallon bucket after that, and with in days Bill comes by and get his cut.. Strong arms me, and calls it donations to the Clinton foundation. Says he have me killed if I refuse..
Mine I throw in jars and thats where it stays and i open it once a week to refill my weekly bottle full i smoke. I smoke less than 7 grams a week.

 

[Wisher619]

ive been stirring it and its getting worse.
correct im doing dtw to start with to get the hang of a res. in 5-6 weeks i wanna start a flood table.
i have also been reading many cases using all canna line in 1 tank.
thats wat i want!
my ro unit is on the way and im trying to source some sort of res local.

alot of the guys using canna with ro are mixing tap to the ro to get to 200-300ppm..? canna is made for tap. and with ro calmag, iron,... deficiencies...?
Should i be looking to by more stuff if we using ro?

I wouldnt worry about it
that bucket looks fine
I ha e never seen anyone using tap with RO for canna
just RO and the full line
dont overthink it as long as you keep ph in check you will be good to go

 

[bicky studs]

wen feeding in the coco. how dry should it get?
im feeding 1 per day with runoff 3hrs after lights on.
pots heavy still only a lil dry around the edges, they not drinking much poor girls. lights stil at 24" on 30w
guess they will be hating that cloudy shit from yesterday. it was clear wen i gave them some. do i need to flush it out...

 

[GrowGod]

I should of noted that! I throw them in a 5 gallon bucket after that, and with in days Bill comes by and get his cut.. Strong arms me, and calls it donations to the Clinton foundation. Says he have me killed if I refuse..
Mine I throw in jars and thats where it stays and i open it once a week to refill my weekly bottle full i smoke. I smoke less than 7 grams a week.

Well that’s your problem pal! I smoke 7 grams a day!

 

[EventHorizan]

yup completely false
there is a dude on this sight or maybe another that completely broke down all canna products
no "Live Active" stuff
microbiological substances dosnt necessarily mean alive just that it is "Micro"

Slick ass wording..
I told you these slime ball companies were all a bunch of...........
Im just gonna leave it alone or we bere here for hrs describing the elite pos........

Well I didnt know that and was under the impression that it was live as in ALIVE, beenies..
Well you really think his tap made it look like that?
That pic gave me hebbie jeebies....

 

[Wisher619]

You got a bar for those? The plates in the picture are olympic 2" plates, and the bar on the bench is a 1" bar



Idk if that'd be the issue or not.. I probably over trimmed, so there's like zero leaf on them. And one plant I flushed for one week, one I flushed for two weeks to see how much of a difference I noticed. No difference, both smell like that. And I think my dry was like 5 or 6 days in a 50% RH tent

cant help on something I didn't see so I wouldnt be able to comment on your last grow
only on what we can do for this one

if you flushed well all the leaves would have turned colors and you plant would start to look lole it is dieing