Different Nutes For Coco, Soil, Hydro Only Marketing?

[crimsonecho]

I've been using Peter's 20-20-20 for 30 years, but can't find it anymore. I used Jacks 20-20-20 and have great results. I use composted manure and wood ashes to provide the micronutrients. No muss, no fuss, no burning if used 1 Tbs/Gallon. I'm guessing that some of these magic potions help in some ways, but for the small difference in results isn't always verifiable.

I admit again, these nutes are pricey, but convenient for people who doesn’t want to do heavy work like i do and you do, for me with tilling, mixing and shit and getting the calculations right to provide a balanced diet, finding all the other stuff seperately to add micros, enzymes and calcium and so on.
Claiming they are a scam is problematic, cause scam insinuates that they are not working, but they do. Correct term should be overpriced. Convenience is always overpriced, thats just how capitalism works :)

 

[crimsonecho]

Weed won't only grow with "magical" $50 a bottle nutrients.
There is no formula/proportions, none of the "weed fertilizers" use the same NPK or the same ratios yet, people have had success with all of them.

NPK, Calcium, Magnesium, Sulphur, Manganese, Boron, Zinc and Copper is what matters.
People have had success with Miracle Grow + epsom salt. Why is that ?
Because it has all the nutrients the plant needs, there's nothing magic to it.

This myth has been debunked decades ago, people running 1000+ lights aren't buying canna nutes lol.
They modify the stuff commercially available or make their own fertilizer from scratch.

People running 1000 lights don’t buy canna nutes cause if they did, they had to sell a joint for a 20. They make those nutes for people who want convenience. Calling it a scam is stretching it, thats what i meant, ok. I know they are pricey, i do living organic soil anyway, not using any nute. But they are not a “scam” if they work at the end. These are all systems people choose to use. You choose your path and people choose theirs.
You can grow with anything you like. You can grow cannabis with cacti fert. What i meant is these products are formulated to get you the best yields and as far as not all of them having the same ratios and all, thats why some work better and people post threads about what to use. You can use miracle grow but then add epsom because it is not perfect for cannabis as it is and miracle grow is not free either. I’m not gonna debate on how capitalism works, you pay for convenience. I’m not saying this is the perfect system, but its the world we live in right now.
Finally, the difference with chemical fertilizers should not be that great imho. In organics, sources and processing methods are very important and has a direct effect on the price tag, greatly. Calcium-nitrate is calcium-nitrate however. Some are better i’m sure but they are still salt.

 

[TerpyTyrone]

People running 1000 lights don’t buy canna nutes cause if they did, they had to sell a joint for a 20. They make those nutes for people who want convenience. Calling it a scam is stretching it, thats what i meant, ok. I know they are pricey, i do living organic soil anyway, not using any nute. But they are not a “scam” if they work at the end. These are all systems people choose to use. You choose your path and people choose theirs.
You can grow with anything you like. You can grow cannabis with cacti fert. What i meant is these products are formulated to get you the best yields and as far as not all of them having the same ratios and all, thats why some work better and people post threads about what to use. You can use miracle grow but then add epsom because it is not perfect for cannabis as it is and miracle grow is not free either. I’m not gonna debate on how capitalism works, you pay for convenience. I’m not saying this is the perfect system, but its the world we live in right now.
Finally, the difference with chemical fertilizers should not be that great imho. In organics, sources and processing methods are very important and has a direct effect on the price tag, greatly. Calcium-nitrate is calcium-nitrate however. Some are better i’m sure but they are still salt.

Amen brotha . Merica!!

Huckleberry Finn enjoys the gh trio, coco, 14/10 hps nugs too

 

[Jimster]

I finished a few grows but not with coco and which of the answers would you say is a definitiv yes, no or even slightly in the direction of it’s possible or not ?

The thread got kidnapped and is about jacks nutes which we don’t have here so I don’t even know it...

Jacks is just a general all purpose fertilizer that is cheap and available at most larger hardware/construction store (Lowes, Home Depot) and is about $9/large tub while will last me many grows. Its cheap and powerful but typically needs some additional micronutrients. I use wood ashes and composted manure (when composted, it won't have the tendency to burn the plants).

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

Weed won't only grow with "magical" $50 a bottle nutrients.
There is no formula/proportions, none of the "weed fertilizers" use the same NPK or the same ratios yet, people have had success with all of them.

NPK, Calcium, Magnesium, Sulphur, Manganese, Boron, Zinc and Copper is what matters.
People have had success with Miracle Grow + epsom salt. Why is that ?
Because it has all the nutrients the plant needs, there's nothing magic to it.

This myth has been debunked decades ago, people running 1000+ lights aren't buying canna nutes lol.
They modify the stuff commercially available or make their own fertilizer from scratch.

Thats not strictly true ive done large grows with canna and house and garden nutes.canna was a cheaper option than house and garden by far but the results far out wiegh the costs and i would highly recommend it if you can afford the setup cost

 

[crimsonecho]

Thats not strictly true ive done large grows with canna and house and garden nutes.canna was a cheaper option than house and garden by far but the results far out wiegh the costs and i would highly recommend it if you can afford the setup cost

Not saying any path is wrong.
If its get results and you are not using whale blood for it, you’re ok.
Convenience comes for a price, literally.
And a balanced diet can’t be beat. If @xinobyte can manage to create that balance with some basic chemistry thats ok. Some people can’t and canna, hesi and many many others offer a viable solution to those people.

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

Not saying any path is wrong.
If its get results and you are not using whale blood for it, you’re ok.
Convenience comes for a price, literally.
And a balanced diet can’t be beat. If @xinobyte can manage to create that balance with some basic chemistry thats ok. Some people can’t and canna, hesi and many many others offer a viable solution to those people.

I totally agree bro.over the years the science behind the newts has changed a lot and the quaility and yields have increased dramatically nutes i think play a big role in this esp if your environment is sorted the only way to increase yield is by nutes and technique

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

For example shooting powder if your plants are healthy enough to use it you will see a 15% to 30% increase in yield its not a gimmick it really works

 

[crimsonecho]

For example shooting powder if your plants are healthy enough to use it you will see a 15% to 30% increase in yield its not a gimmick it really works

Yeah you suggested it in my grow journal too :)
Mostly potassium.
Haven’t used it, but added a bit of molasses and a banana fpe, both are very high p and it made a difference. I can see that.

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

Yeah you suggested it in my grow journal too :)
Mostly potassium.
Haven’t used it, but added a bit of molasses and a banana fpe, both are very high p and it made a difference. I can see that.

Shooting powder or tops shooter forces the plant to keep flowering bro i use it with mollasses untill my flowers are ripe then i flush on the last day of flushing i add any flavours i want to use then harvest 3 hrs later works great

 

[crimsonecho]

Shooting powder or tops shooter forces the plant to keep flowering bro i use it with mollasses untill my flowers are ripe then i flush on the last day of flushing i add any flavours i want to use then harvest 3 hrs later works great

No my big potassium comes from banana peels actually and it worked like you’re describing, a shit ton of new pistils in a week and they kept coming. A bud with nothing but all red hair for like 2 weeks was looking so young and supple in a week after the banana. (Pic is not of that bud :))
Actually i did it wrong, i should have done it 4 weeks prior to harvest not 2 weeks. Now it doesn’t stop flowering. This is 73th day.

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

This is a bit off topic but flavouring your babies is easy over the years ive try many things but this method seems to work best for me during the flush on the last day dont water your plants make them thirsty. 3 hrs before harvest water them with 50ml of natural flavour essence in 3L of water dont use any sugar based products as this makes your weed burn with a black ash different strains uptake flavours differently some strains flavour easyer than others

 

[TerpyTyrone]

This is a bit off topic but flavouring your babies is easy over the years ive try many things but this method seems to work best for me during the flush on the last day dont water your plants make them thirsty. 3 hrs before harvest water them with 50ml of natural flavour essence in 3L of water dont use any sugar based products as this makes your weed burn with a black ash different strains uptake flavours differently some strains flavour easyer than others

Natural flavour essence?

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

Natural flavour essence?

Yes. sorry im not commenting anymore im in trouble with the mods best of luck everyone

 

[crimsonecho]

Yes. sorry im not commenting anymore im in trouble with the mods best of luck everyone

I’m one of those mods, where is the trouble?
You just a got a warning for offending some people with a post insinuating that the growers on the farm are dealers. That’s all.

 

[TerpyTyrone]

Duh. This is a forum with all types, genders, races, intelligence levels, professianalism.
Some of us have serious jobs and families.

 

[Pass2TheLeft]

I’m one of those mods, where is the trouble?
You just a got a warning for offending some people with a post insinuating that the growers on the farm are dealers. That’s all.

Actually bro i was called the drug dealer lol

 

[crimsonecho]

Actually bro i was called the drug dealer lol

We gotta do what we gotta do. You can’t get offended when mods apply the forum rules. Those are in place to keep the farm and you, happy and safe.

 

[cemchris]

They are mostly a scam. Most of the bottled nutes you buy specifically for cannabis are rebottled nute lines from commercial nute companies or a copy of them or a copy of each other. If you look at the price of the nute line they copied vs what they are charging you (usually powdered and they dilute it in water and add dye). But that's up to you. If you really think all these companies have big weed grows they are tuning nute lines on you just keep believing that. If you think they took a nute line and ran test after test on some coco grows to find exactly what was lacking from them......Specially when it was illegal. A perfect example is H&G. Aquaflakes worked way better then the coco nutes they had by a big margin on coco. Pretty much worked better then all their other "base" nutes on everything.

Name one other sector of the garden industry that has soooo many BS products marketed to them? Name one other leg of the industry that actually buys bottled nutes like we do? Its gardening. There isnt anything crazy with weed vs tomatoes. But they sure want you to believe it is.

 

[Mr Bee]

Hi,

I've been doing some experiments with different nutes and did some Lucas formal and my "own" canna terra feeding schedule with soil/coco mix and both were successful.

Im trying to understand why maxibloom or the GH Flora series is for soil, hydro and coco but canna for example got terra, aqua, coco etc. I can understand that if a nute like hesi has some organic content bacteria in the soil are required but canna terra doesn't have anything organic and except the npk ratio which you can alter with different vega+flores ratios and the lack of calcium which i have enough of in my tap water or some calmag is there any other reason i can't use canna terra with coco ?

you could probably use the canna terra in the coco but u can't use the coco nutes in soil.i know coz i tried it.the methods are fundamentaly different in that when running coco with coco nutes the coco has to be kept wet at all times but soil in smallish pots requires a dry period between watering so wen using the coco nutes in the soil the salt residue left wen the soil dries out with the salt based coco nutes builds up wen the soil dries out and all the plants were kinda shitty.someone with a better knowledge than myself maybe able to do coco nutes in soil but it didn't work for me.