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When Does Flowering Begin?

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What do you guys class as the start of flowering. Is it the day you switch to 12/12 or the day she actually starts flowering?
 
#5
You know i wondered this for a long time, i normally lose count of the weeks cos i don't take no notes but as ive been using the grow diary on here ive realised my plant is looking maturer than it should be, according to counting from first flowers, so it turns out she's a bit further along than I'd realised. Thanks fornthe replies
 
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Sooon as i see the buds forming with heaps of pistils no bigger than the tip of your pinky i start the count.ive grown indicas all my life (30 yrs) and over 90 % go for 8 weeks with small percentage going 9 weeks thats to bout 25 % amber roughly.so thats pretty close to how long an indica plant takes in my climate..this is outdoors of course....thats sorta why i dont get soon as you flip indoors you start the count when there isnt even teenie weenie bud there..
 
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I start with actual fruitification/budset. I have always considered the week after flip to be a transitional period with the hormonal ques to begin flowering as the plant senses its time to start setting fruit.
I have found that method generally gets me closer to the actual time of ripeness as opposed to using the breeders theoretical flower times. You may ask, why did he say (theoretical) flower times?

I say that because to my mind there are so many variables with phenos within a pack, differences in environments, grower skill levels, geography, weather patterns, indoor systems used. Varying levels of stress induced to the grows etc. that at best, posted breeder times are but a tool to use for a (general) idea when your flowers are ripe.
Determining ripeness is a very personal thing and each farmer has their personal preferences and idea of when their flowers are ready for harvest. Determining optimum ripeness is an art, not unlike a proper dry and cure and these skills come with experience over time.
 
#9
I honestly don’t keep track of days or weeks but since starting a diary I do to post that info with the pics. It’s always nice to know what you’re looking at. But I chop when they tell me to. Not when the calendar says I should.
 
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jumpincactus said:
I start with actual fruitification/budset. I have always considered the week after flip to be a transitional period with the hormonal ques to begin flowering as the plant senses its time to start setting fruit.
I have found that method generally gets me closer to the actual time of ripeness as opposed to using the breeders theoretical flower times. You may ask, why did he say (theoretical) flower times?

I say that because to my mind there are so many variables with phenos within a pack, differences in environments, grower skill levels, geography, weather patterns, indoor systems used. Varying levels of stress induced to the grows etc. that at best, posted breeder times are but a tool to use for a (general) idea when your flowers are ripe.
Determining ripeness is a very personal thing and each farmer has their personal preferences and idea of when their flowers are ready for harvest. Determining optimum ripeness is an art, not unlike a proper dry and cure and these skills come with experience over time.
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For sure. There’s lots of factors that can make a strain or pheno ripen faster or slower. Photoperiod timing like 12/12 vs 11/13 or 10/14. Emerson effect lighting. And the list goes on.

It’s nice to have a rough estimate and you can easily do that by writing the date you switched on the back of the identity tag so you can always check your calendar.

Or you can set an alert on your phone to tell you when a certain amount of time has passed.

But in the end the plant and grower will determine when it’s ready to chop.
 
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jumpincactus said:
I start with actual fruitification/budset. I have always considered the week after flip to be a transitional period with the hormonal ques to begin flowering as the plant senses its time to start setting fruit.
I have found that method generally gets me closer to the actual time of ripeness as opposed to using the breeders theoretical flower times. You may ask, why did he say (theoretical) flower times?

I say that because to my mind there are so many variables with phenos within a pack, differences in environments, grower skill levels, geography, weather patterns, indoor systems used. Varying levels of stress induced to the grows etc. that at best, posted breeder times are but a tool to use for a (general) idea when your flowers are ripe.
Determining ripeness is a very personal thing and each farmer has their personal preferences and idea of when their flowers are ready for harvest. Determining optimum ripeness is an art, not unlike a proper dry and cure and these skills come with experience over time.
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Now that sounds more like it..you hit the nail on the head Jumpin
 
#13
That's what good about keeping a grow diary on here, im lazy and I wouldn't normally have any reference as to how long I've been in 12/12 or for when the first pistils appeared but by keeping a grow diary I've been able to look back and check. I'm not gonna be judging by times stated for particular strains but when you do chop its nice to know exactly how long it took.
 
#14
Exactly so you guys growing indoors will know how long to veg plant for eg, 8 weeks then move in flower room and go 8 weeks in flower so you can harvest every 8 weeks etc if you plan on continuously growing weed all year...pretty much what i intend to do when i give it a go...
 
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London bud said:
That's what good about keeping a grow diary on here, im lazy and I wouldn't normally have any reference as to how long I've been in 12/12 or for when the first pistils appeared but by keeping a grow diary I've been able to look back and check. I'm not gonna be judging by times stated for particular strains but when you do chop its nice to know exactly how long it took.
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I have heard people say they start counting when first pistils appear. All my girls have pistils showing before I flip them to 12/12, these are not autos either.
 
#16
Everybody today with all this knowledge. That's what this forum is all about. @jumpincactus laying on the heavy technical shit while we all read in awe. With flowering time and harvest questions and all.... Is monitoring the trichome development ultimately the tell all for harvest time? Clear, cloudy and Amber? Just curious if anybody has some knowledge on that.
 
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Rootbound said:
I have heard people say they start counting when first pistils appear. All my girls have pistils showing before I flip them to 12/12, these are not autos either.
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Showing pistils as pre-flower during veg? I've seen it. How many weeks along? What's your veg light cycle? 24/7 or 18/6?
 
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OldSmokie76 said:
Showing pistils as pre-flower during veg? I've seen it. How many weeks along? What's your veg light cycle? 24/7 or 18/6?
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Yes, i have plants from seed right now at 6 weeks all showing pistils. 20/4 is my veg light schedule.
 
#19
I go from the day I flip to 12/12. I've grown the same strain for so long that they are like clockwork, although things seemed a little ahead of schedule using a 1000 Blue Eye Hortilux & MS1000 for Veg and MS1000 + 1000HPS for flowering. The mix of the two bulbs was superior to just using just the MS1000 (Multispectrum) or just the HPS. I'll probably add another blue instead of the MS1000 for vegging during the next run.
 
#20
OldSmokie76 said:
Everybody today with all this knowledge. That's what this forum is all about. @jumpincactus laying on the heavy technical shit while we all read in awe. With flowering time and harvest questions and all.... Is monitoring the trichome development ultimately the tell all for harvest time? Clear, cloudy and Amber? Just curious if anybody has some knowledge on that.
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Man , while I appreciate the props, ya laid it on a tad thick bro. :D lol Everything I think I know I got from others and my own personal experience and having a passion with plants and farming.

To your question on trichome based measure for ripeness, my take and personal method is I use trichomes almost exclusively to judge chop time. Pistils while being part of the equation with some folks can be misleading. Indeed yes trikes do have something to do with it, but all sorts of things can cause pistils to discolor prematurely leading the grower to believe the girls are ripe. Notably physical damage from handling and brushing up against them, foliar applications of various compounds and or pesticides. Accidental pollination within the grow space, ie: unnoticed nanners or pollen sacks. Cause once a flower is pollinated pistils will change color. So with that said I go by trichomes more than anything. And level off ripeness has to do with the particular strain, if its a tad speedy due to sativa dominance, I like to let them ripen longer to amber to ward off the speedy side of the hybrid. Or if I have a patient with insomnia I go more amber to allow a deeper sedative relaxing stone. As said before these are just tools to use.

At the end of the day, it boils down to personal preference and experimentation with various strains and note keeping to see what works for each grower.

Peace and goodwill to all growers and lovers of cannabis. After all it is the Creators gift to all of us!!!!

Much love brother @OldSmokie76 :smoking:
 
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