200 Gallon Grow Bag Reuse?

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so i got a 200 gallon growbag that has a three inch stump in it..

what the chances i can wait for it to thaw and do something to salvage some of the promix ?

there is two inches of stone at the bottom ...

just would like to not have to get rid of and buy all new soil... but don’t know where or how to beogin to regain the soil from the stump and roots
 
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so i got a 200 gallon growbag that has a three inch stump in it..

what the chances i can wait for it to thaw and do something to salvage some of the promix ?

there is two inches of stone at the bottom ...

just would like to not have to get rid of and buy all new soil... but don’t know where or how to beogin to regain the soil from the stump and roots
I always reuse my promix I screen it to get out the roots and add Dolomite lime about a tsp per gallon. Been doing this for years and had no problems
 
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I would mix it with some more amendments, drink water and drive on. The other alternative would be to start a garden plot and get some fruit or veggies from it.

You can bury the stump as well, gets some worms in there and they will help eventually break it down.
 
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Yes, reuse it. Sift the roots out and and some fresh. I do this every season.
 
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Ok don’t get me wrong i really want to understand, why do you take the roots out? Why bother?
I reuse it immediately out one pot and into another jus was worried that the old roots will cause trouble for me
 
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I reuse it immediately out one pot and into another jus was worried that the old roots will cause trouble for me

I do it on a smaller scale and never had any problems. Actually i just throw in any roots i get into my mix while changing pots and all, doesn’t have to be cannabis either. My mix sits in a large tub and is constantly alive. I take as needed and top it off with amendments and peat as needed.
Just seems like a hassle to sift thru 200 gallons of medium and the roots are a good microbial feed as it is and also hosts precious microbes on it.
Just a tea and some em should take care of any possible problems imo. Well to each his own of course but i think leaving the roots are benefical to the soil and the microbes and what is good for the microherd is good for us all. Thats my angle.
 
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I do it on a smaller scale and never had any problems. Actually i just throw in any roots i get into my mix while changing pots and all, doesn’t have to be cannabis either. My mix sits in a large tub and is constantly alive. I take as needed and top it off with amendments and peat as needed.
Just seems like a hassle to sift thru 200 gallons of medium and the roots are a good microbial feed as it is and also hosts precious microbes on it.
Just a tea and some em should take care of any possible problems imo. Well to each his own of course but i think leaving the roots are benefical to the soil and the microbes and what is good for the microherd is good for us all. Thats my angle.
I wouldn’t know if I wasn’t told. I have no problem leaving roots if you think that it won’t hurt. That would save alot of time. If I was outside I would not touch it only the large stock and I would probably feed it worm juice or castings a few months before I need it. This year I can grow an xtra 4 plants so I will be putting them outside in 200 gallon pots
 
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I wouldn’t know if I wasn’t told. I have no problem leaving roots if you think that it won’t hurt. That would save alot of time. If I was outside I would not touch it only the large stock and I would probably feed it worm juice or castings a few months before I need it. This year I can grow an xtra 4 plants so I will be putting them outside in 200 gallon pots

Well this is what i do and it seems so much easier to actually do. Even the pots i left as it is, with the stub and all, doesn’t have much visible roots left after one or two months. If you use something microbial like ewc or em or both, that should make this process a lot easier.
 
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I wouldn’t know if I wasn’t told. I have no problem leaving roots if you think that it won’t hurt. That would save alot of time. If I was outside I would not touch it only the large stock and I would probably feed it worm juice or castings a few months before I need it. This year I can grow an xtra 4 plants so I will be putting them outside in 200 gallon pots

yeah first timer last year and i dont want to have to get rid of all and start from scratch ...

so i’m on canada and they are current full and just cut down at soil level...

if i were to leave all roots and just cut out must of the big stuff in the middle once it thaws ... then what ? i was just thinking some fresh worm casting and do some mixing ..

4 extra ... assume your canada too eh ? lol
 
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Well this is what i do and it seems so much easier to actually do. Even the pots i left as it is, with the stub and all, doesn’t have much visible roots left after one or two months. If you use something microbial like ewc or em or both, that should make this process a lot easier.

ewc ?

my pots are froze under snow right now ... when you mean by month or two ? after thaw or after the ewc?
 
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Earth worm castings. Most of the microbes are dormant if it is frozen but that doesn’t matter. The thing is roots decay in soil even when you have a healthy plant potted. The springtails eat them, lots of microbes and fungi eats them. You just have to provide a healthy dose of microbial life and let them do their thing. Which includes inhibiting the growth of bad microbes. I mean who sifts thru an acre of soil in a field? Fields freeze too. This just seems like a very unnecessary process to me.
 
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Earth worm castings. Most of the microbes are dormant if it is frozen but that doesn’t matter. The thing is roots decay in soil even when you have a healthy plant potted. The springtails eat them, lots of microbes and fungi eats them. You just have to provide a healthy dose of microbial life and let them do their thing. Which includes inhibiting the growth of bad microbes. I mean who sifts thru an acre of soil in a field? Fields freeze too. This just seems like a very unnecessary process to me.


ok so i’m willing to try anything :)

so other than earthworm casting and removing the big stump, what else would you suggest to add or remove ? like i said this is a first for me.. and if i’m saving hundred of dollars on soil i’m willing to some of that back into treating this existing promix/worm castings mix from last season


i use advanced nutes so i’ll be hitting them with voodoo juice once they go out, but other than some b52 and some grow nutes any suggestions to help
 
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crazy thing here guys,dont disturb nothing,even with 10 ft of snow on top of it,the soil life is still there,right.the stump you talk about and all its roots are a natural hiway for air and water,plant a seed in there and they are already on top of the game with the hiway inside,this is a prefered and pretty much only way for a no till and very living soil.
one thing i would do is this,dig all snow away from base of the bag,get a bale of hay and pack it around the bag,thermal heat will keep the life active,same for the top cover it with hay,the snow will decompose it ,while snow is still there just go out and throw your coffe ,tea,egg shells ,banana peels and worms in there,make a hole in snow and dump it in ,recover with hay and the life has food if you dig.
i have several garden plots and compost piles around the house here,never pull a harvested plant,cut at base leave it set till your ready to drop seed in there,think this way,by leaving it all in there,what the roots gonna do? they are just as people and animals ,always the easiest path right,well the new roots will follow the old roots from ease of growth and feeding,you dig what im saying
 
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were i live if i want to see snow i got to travel to find it,we do have at least 3 hard frezze a year,when i harvest after summer and gonna let pots sit,i do as above with hay,then once month i dig off top of hay and put a layer of bokasi about half inch thick and recover the boxes till spring,just a tip. even with frozen ground there is still active life in there,got to keep um happy for happy soil,just saying,anyway look into no till gardening and you will see what im saying
 
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crazy thing here guys,dont disturb nothing,even with 10 ft of snow on top of it,the soil life is still there,right.the stump you talk about and all its roots are a natural hiway for air and water,plant a seed in there and they are already on top of the game with the hiway inside,this is a prefered and pretty much only way for a no till and very living soil.
one thing i would do is this,dig all snow away from base of the bag,get a bale of hay and pack it around the bag,thermal heat will keep the life active,same for the top cover it with hay,the snow will decompose it ,while snow is still there just go out and throw your coffe ,tea,egg shells ,banana peels and worms in there,make a hole in snow and dump it in ,recover with hay and the life has food if you dig.
i have several garden plots and compost piles around the house here,never pull a harvested plant,cut at base leave it set till your ready to drop seed in there,think this way,by leaving it all in there,what the roots gonna do? they are just as people and animals ,always the easiest path right,well the new roots will follow the old roots from ease of growth and feeding,you dig what im saying

I agree with this post fully but are you talking about raised beds or directly the ground? Because, and its just my logic on this, if you’re talking about the ground the whole planet is one big pot and after you dig couple of inches you’ll get way higher temps than on the surface but in a smart pot this may not be the case. My logic is, and again this is just logic and i dont have any info on the subject, a raised bed type of setup lets the medium get exposed to cold on a much bigger surface area and felt also lets the cold air into the pots so if its really cold out there most microbes will go dormant. Again this doesnt matter too much.

And besides that, agreed about the other stuff and sifting roots is really unnecessary labour which is counter productive in its essence.
 
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I agree with this post fully but are you talking about raised beds or directly the ground? Because, and its just my logic on this, if you’re talking about the ground the whole planet is one big potting soil and after you dig couple of inches you’ll get way higher temps than on the surface but in a smart pot this may not be the case. My logic is, and again this is just logic and i dont have any info on the subject, a raised bed type of setup lets the medium get exposed to cold on a much bigger surface area and felt also lets te cold air into the pots so if its really cold out there most microbes will go dormant. Again this doesnt matter too much.

But besides that, agreed about the other stuff and sifting roots is really unnecessary labour which is counter productive in its essence.
i have 13 raised beds,when im expecting really cold,i put it over and on sides of boxes,then when spring comes what hasnt been decomposed,goes into my 15x15 corn bed right in the ground,turned under and by planting it ready to go,my beds are 4x12 beds,the outer edges do frezze by not deep withing the beds,trellis runs down center of box,the bokashi layer will have the hay almost decomposed by this time,i use on compost piles too,the EM1 that i made my bokashi with be like teenagers with a pizza in there hahahh,right now in my state is the best time to get the nemotodes in,they come in frozen packages,just dormant as the same as the frozen soil if you dig,nature has it way of culling by itself,if all the life stayed alive you have over crowding,so all the life we speek of in the soil,only about 25% would actually die off.
great thing about the cold here is all the moisture it holds in the soil,i havent watered my onions,garlic,cabbage,brocille or caulifuor not one time in 3 months,forgot the sugar snap peas,been 3 frezze here and coldest was 24 and didnt kill not one plant,none,stick your hand in my boxes and about 3 in deep soil is just right,thermals if you dig.
basicaly when im not gardening full on,i feed my soil to keep it in check and never dry,i have so much horse and cow shit in the soil,if you let cow shit dry,your done it wont rehydrate like it does fresh,my feeds for the bottom garden is just that ,compost out the kazoo and once month i hit the soil with comfrey and nettle -fermented,5 gal to 250 gal of water,right arounf end of march i have to start watering down there,but only so called nute if you want to call it that is the comfrey and nettle,the container garden up hill here i feed KNF feed schedule,kinda intimadating at first making your own feeds,after the first ferment you will wind up with every damn fpj you can imagine hahaah,my goal this season is fermenting some cactus,i feel the comfrey and nettle do such great job with heat issues cactus would be better,just a thought,i also burn egg shells and bones for P,just brown the shells for calcium,put each in vinegar ,when you can tap on side of the container and dont have any bubbles,its done,sea water isnt hard to find,drive 3 hrs from house and you be with sammy the shark hahahh,im telling ya KNF technic is awesome and cheap,the OHN was costly because of vodka used,i used ever clear it cheaper here.
i feel that with all the knf stuff i use once a week on the top garden saves me time and labor,simply because if you use the feed chart everything is already there,damn sure easier on my nerves,hahahah dont have to try to figure a problem out,so feed once week walk away and let the old hen do all the picking hahaahh
 
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i have 13 raised beds,when im expecting really cold,i put it over and on sides of boxes,then when spring comes what hasnt been decomposed,goes into my 15x15 corn bed right in the ground,turned under and by planting it ready to go,my beds are 4x12 beds,the outer edges do frezze by not deep withing the beds,trellis runs down center of box,the bokashi layer will have the hay almost decomposed by this time,i use on compost piles too,the EM1 that i made my bokashi with be like teenagers with a pizza in there hahahh,right now in my state is the best time to get the nemotodes in,they come in frozen packages,just dormant as the same as the frozen soil if you dig,nature has it way of culling by itself,if all the life stayed alive you have over crowding,so all the life we speek of in the soil,only about 25% would actually die off.
great thing about the cold here is all the moisture it holds in the soil,i havent watered my onions,garlic,cabbage,brocille or caulifuor not one time in 3 months,forgot the sugar snap peas,been 3 frezze here and coldest was 24 and didnt kill not one plant,none,stick your hand in my boxes and about 3 in deep soil is just right,thermals if you dig.
basicaly when im not gardening full on,i feed my soil to keep it in check and never dry,i have so much horse and cow shit in the soil,if you let cow shit dry,your done it wont rehydrate like it does fresh,my feeds for the bottom garden is just that ,compost out the kazoo and once month i hit the soil with comfrey and nettle -fermented,5 gal to 250 gal of water,right arounf end of march i have to start watering down there,but only so called nute if you want to call it that is the comfrey and nettle,the container garden up hill here i feed KNF feed schedule,kinda intimadating at first making your own feeds,after the first ferment you will wind up with every damn fpj you can imagine hahaah,my goal this season is fermenting some cactus,i feel the comfrey and nettle do such great job with heat issues cactus would be better,just a thought,i also burn egg shells and bones for P,just brown the shells for calcium,put each in vinegar ,when you can tap on side of the container and dont have any bubbles,its done,sea water isnt hard to find,drive 3 hrs from house and you be with sammy the shark hahahh,im telling ya KNF technic is awesome and cheap,the OHN was costly because of vodka used,i used ever clear it cheaper here.
i feel that with all the knf stuff i use once a week on the top garden saves me time and labor,simply because if you use the feed chart everything is already there,damn sure easier on my nerves,hahahah dont have to try to figure a problem out,so feed once week walk away and let the old hen do all the picking hahaahh

Agreed bro. Knf and imo and em kicks ass. I utilize the techniques too. Love it. Got a banana peel, alfalfa, aloe vera, bat guano ferments ready and going for a cucumber flower and stinging nettle next. My nettle ran out and i’m neck deep in cucumber flowers (well for me anyways, its actually a tiny amount of flowers) :)
Every bit of waste from cannabis goes into compost with em. The reason i’m not calling it bokashi is because i havent prepared bokashi bran so its not the exact same thing but does similar shit, anaerobic.
Well its such a minor detail about the microbes. In either case they’re their, dormant or not. Leaving roots gives them starch to survive and also doesn’t fuck up with the established colonies. The air pathways the roots leave behind after decomposition is another bonus.
So, no to root sifting :)
 
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