Curling is not a sport I like

[Popdee]

Hello fellow farmers
As always there's something wrong. That is to say something I don't understand, but maybe you do.
My girl is 10 weeks 12×12 and looking like more to come as she is pushing out new pistils all over the place, and her trichs are still mostly clear( 10 weeks!!) but her fan leaves are all curling. If she's not stressed and growing new why the curling? I know about nitg causing burning which she has ( dam fertilizer pellets, but after 2 good flush?) The curling just started last couple days, now pronounced. Photos to help.
Any thoughts or advice greatly appreciated

 

[Jimster]

A few things could be at play here. The leaves look pretty dark green. Usually they start to lighten up a little during late flowering, which, at 10 weeks, you are reaching if not already there. This would suggest that there is a lot of nutrients remaining in the soil. If there are too many nutes, especially too much P, K, or Calcium, it can cause nute lock and cause PH changes. Varying PH levels can make previously unavailable nutes to suddenly be available, resulting in high soil levels that weren't a problem before. This is one possibility, although I don't think it is anything serious. It DOES look like there is a lot of nitrogen there, since it can cause clawing and dark green color.
Another possibility is that you plant is coming to the end of it's cycle. Depending on the strain, some react differently when finishing flowering, and unless it is a Sativa dominant strain, few go beyond 12 weeks. Plants don't always stop producing pistils at the end of flowering, especially if they are still being well fed. It couldbe that you plant is simply entering the end of it's flowering cycle. The plant looks good and healthy other than the clawing. You might want to consider flushing out the medium, since you are close to the end of flowering. This will reduce the nutrients in the soil and maybe benefit the plant. The process of flushing to improve taste and quality is controversial, but flushing to remove excess nutes is slightly different, but accomplishes the same objective.

 

[Popdee]

A few things could be at play here. The leaves look pretty dark green. Usually they start to lighten up a little during late flowering, which, at 10 weeks, you are reaching if not already there. This would suggest that there is a lot of nutrients remaining in the soil. If there are too many nutes, especially too much P, K, or Calcium, it can cause nute lock and cause PH changes. Varying PH levels can make previously unavailable nutes to suddenly be available, resulting in high soil levels that weren't a problem before. This is one possibility, although I don't think it is anything serious. It DOES look like there is a lot of nitrogen there, since it can cause clawing and dark green color.
Another possibility is that you plant is coming to the end of it's cycle. Depending on the strain, some react differently when finishing flowering, and unless it is a Sativa dominant strain, few go beyond 12 weeks. Plants don't always stop producing pistils at the end of flowering, especially if they are still being well fed. It couldbe that you plant is simply entering the end of it's flowering cycle. The plant looks good and healthy other than the clawing. You might want to consider flushing out the medium, since you are close to the end of flowering. This will reduce the nutrients in the soil and maybe benefit the plant. The process of flushing to improve taste and quality is controversial, but flushing to remove excess nutes is slightly different, but accomplishes the same objective.

Thank you sir, a flush sounds like the right approach. I have always regretted putting those dam fertilizer pellets in her soil and suspect there in lies the problem. I gave her only tap water since she sprouted, and Fox Farm Bloom when she flowered. Has to be the pellets, which I'm forever pulling out. A flush it is, tomorrow in the bath tub.
Thanks Jimster I appreciate your input.
Over and out Popdee

 

[Jimster]

Thank you sir, a flush sounds like the right approach. I have always regretted putting those dam fertilizer pellets in her soil and suspect there in lies the problem. I gave her only tap water since she sprouted, and Fox Farm Bloom when she flowered. Has to be the pellets, which I'm forever pulling out. A flush it is, tomorrow in the bath tub.
Thanks Jimster I appreciate your input.
Over and out Popdee

I have used to smaller Prills, about the size of a BB and provides extended release food, but I don't use too many of them, just enough to provide a little extra nutrition. The problem with some of them is that they are osmotic and can release even more fertilizer when soaked. A bathtub would work well, but I would concentrate in getting the water to go in the top and out the bottom and not just soak, although a short soak before an active flush might actually draw some fertilizer out of the pellets and then get flushed out in the active flush. An active flush is simply pouring water over the top, as opposed to just soaking. Best of luck... you are pretty close to the end of flowering IMO, and the flush might be something that a lot of growers do at the end of flowering, with the idea being to use up the nutrients in the plant, eliminating tastes that might be from too much fertilizer. It's a bit of a controversy, but I thin it will help you in the long run. One thing to remember, if you flush out all of the Nitrogen, then you will probably start to see yellowing of your lowest and largest fan leaves, which will progress up the plant. This is fairly normal and is the result of the plant pulling nutrients out of the leaves. You can use the yellowing as a gauge to help determine nitrogen levels, or you can use it to use up the remaining nutrients before flowering.

 

[Aqua Man]

Your seeing this because of all the flushing. They are simply over watered IMO. Your damned if you do and damned if you don't I feel at this point. Unless you can flush the excess nutrients all out at once you will keep encountering the same problem and if you continually flush you will run into this problem... over watering. I would probably flush as much as possible then just carry on at the mercy of what you end up with. If you keep over watering you are going to end up possibly killing your plant.

You could try some unorthodox methods like letting it dry out and keeping the humidity at the higher end of acceptable so the plants pull less nutrients from the soil with good airflow but then run the risk of mold.

Personally I think they are already over fed and your not drawing those excess nutrients out of the plant that its already taken up so forget about continually flushing and try to control its uptake a little and don't drown it trying to fix whats already done.

I don't grow in soil so that's the best i can come up with the knowledge i have.

 

[Popdee]

I have used to smaller Prills, about the size of a BB and provides extended release food, but I don't use too many of them, just enough to provide a little extra nutrition. The problem with some of them is that they are osmotic and can release even more fertilizer when soaked. A bathtub would work well, but I would concentrate in getting the water to go in the top and out the bottom and not just soak, although a short soak before an active flush might actually draw some fertilizer out of the pellets and then get flushed out in the active flush. An active flush is simply pouring water over the top, as opposed to just soaking. Best of luck... you are pretty close to the end of flowering IMO, and the flush might be something that a lot of growers do at the end of flowering, with the idea being to use up the nutrients in the plant, eliminating tastes that might be from too much fertilizer. It's a bit of a controversy, but I thin it will help you in the long run. One thing to remember, if you flush out all of the Nitrogen, then you will probably start to see yellowing of your lowest and largest fan leaves, which will progress up the plant. This is fairly normal and is the result of the plant pulling nutrients out of the leaves. You can use the yellowing as a gauge to help determine nitrogen levels, or you can use it to use up the remaining nutrients before flowering.

After reading your post and Aquaman

I have used to smaller Prills, about the size of a BB and provides extended release food, but I don't use too many of them, just enough to provide a little extra nutrition. The problem with some of them is that they are osmotic and can release even more fertilizer when soaked. A bathtub would work well, but I would concentrate in getting the water to go in the top and out the bottom and not just soak, although a short soak before an active flush might actually draw some fertilizer out of the pellets and then get flushed out in the active flush. An active flush is simply pouring water over the top, as opposed to just soaking. Best of luck... you are pretty close to the end of flowering IMO, and the flush might be something that a lot of growers do at the end of flowering, with the idea being to use up the nutrients in the plant, eliminating tastes that might be from too much fertilizer. It's a bit of a controversy, but I thin it will help you in the long run. One thing to remember, if you flush out all of the Nitrogen, then you will probably start to see yellowing of your lowest and largest fan leaves, which will progress up the plant. This is fairly normal and is the result of the plant pulling nutrients out of the leaves. You can use the yellowing as a gauge to help determine nitrogen levels, or you can use it to use up the remaining nutrients before flowering.

After reading your and Aqua Man's post I had to agree you both had good points, but I went with my gut and gave her a 3gal flush. Couldn't do it in the tub, my cellmate didn't go out today, so I found a bucket that supported her and poured 3 gal through her. I only have ppm meter for my drinking water but the water in the bucket was 149 ppm over the water I poured in, so something came out. Photos below.
Now the crazy thing with her is she pushing out a lot of pistils, some in clumps,not single. Also I check hourly and her trichs are still mostly clear?? I'm looking for couch lock.. I'll be happy with what I get and the lessons learned. Also I have a cheap phone with a shitty camera ( or is it me?) so please forgive the smi focused pictures.
Over and out Popdee

 

[Aqua Man]

After reading your post and Aquaman

After reading your and Aqua Man's post I had to agree you both had good points, but I went with my gut and gave her a 3gal flush. Couldn't do it in the tub, my cellmate didn't go out today, so I found a bucket that supported her and poured 3 gal through her. I only have ppm meter for my drinking water but the water in the bucket was 149 ppm over the water I poured in, so something came out. Photos below.
Now the crazy thing with her is she pushing out a lot of pistils, some in clumps,not single. Also I check hourly and her trichs are still mostly clear?? I'm looking for couch lock.. I'll be happy with what I get and the lessons learned. Also I have a cheap phone with a shitty camera ( or is it me?) so please forgive the smi focused pictures.
Over and out Popdee

Sounds like a ways to go yet new pistils are common and some of the older will darken. Go by the trichs

 

[Jimster]

I have seen plants that are overfed that keep making pistils, which are the little red hairs that everyone likes. See how it reacts in the next few days. Trichomes take a while to mature, and the "Couch Lock" is more strain dependent. The conversion of THC to CBD is pretty minor and takes a while... sort of the difference between 99 cents and a dollar in my opinion. I have found in most of my Sativa dominant plants, the majority of the bulk and flavor were added around week 10-14. I don't know what the actual amount of degradation is, but it is pretty small. I think you did the right thing and hopefully the plant will continue without any issues.
FWIW, I have had plants grow taller than the level of the light, which caused the fan leaves to curl downward in order to reach the light. It looked a lot like what you are seeing, but only on the leaves above the light.

 

[Popdee]

Sounds like a ways to go yet new pistils are common and some of the older will darken. Go by the trichs

Thanks I have my loupe in hand. It's mind blowing to me that 10 weeks Saturday and mostly clear. The "old" pistils are dark orange and look kinda cool mixed with the new. I'm leaving her alone for several days and see, she's a strong girl and I have put her through
S&M and I'm not even into it
Thanks for the input.
Over and out Popdee

 

[Popdee]

I have seen plants that are overfed that keep making pistils, which are the little red hairs that everyone likes. See how it reacts in the next few days. Trichomes take a while to mature, and the "Couch Lock" is more strain dependent. The conversion of THC to CBD is pretty minor and takes a while... sort of the difference between 99 cents and a dollar in my opinion. I have found in most of my Sativa dominant plants, the majority of the bulk and flavor were added around week 10-14. I don't know what the actual amount of degradation is, but it is pretty small. I think you did the right thing and hopefully the plant will continue without any issues.
FWIW, I have had plants grow taller than the level of the light, which caused the fan leaves to curl downward in order to reach the light. It looked a lot like what you are seeing, but only on the leaves above the light.

Jimster. You have scared the Shiite out of me with the "10-14 weeks". Today is 10 and after the flush
(2days ago) she is sprouting pistils all over. The picture of my horizontal bud shows what's going on all over.
So with the possibility of another month should I feed her any fox farme Bloom ( weakly mix) or just water? Her trichs are still mostly clear through my lope. I never realized how different Sativa was to grow, so thanks for any input you can send my way.
Over and out Popdee