Growth Problems Veg

[Cmead97]

Hey guys! First grow and post on a forum of like minded individuals, but I m having some serious problems with my operation. Leaves are drooping and new growth has brown tips. Haven't ever posted before like I said so if I can figure out how I will attach pictures. Feel free to let me know If I have posted this in the wrong thread, still figuring these things out!

 

[Cmead97]

Showing my ignorance, I'm also have them in a mix of FF Ocean forest and Happy frog. After about 2 weeks in the soil (roughly, I know I was late) I started using General Hydro florgrow and RO purified drinking water from the store. If any one could help thatd be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

[Beachwalker]

Showing my ignorance, I'm also have them in a mix of FF Ocean forest and Happy frog. After about 2 weeks in the soil (roughly, I know I was late) I started using General Hydro florgrow and RO purified drinking water from the store. If any one could help thatd be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

PH, PPM & General environment info would help, and why are you not using your tap water?

 

[Billwilson85]

Looks like a vpd issue to me. What's your temp humidity look like, and night temp as well.

 

[Billwilson85]

Those plants look really young, I wouldn't feed much if any right now, you've got lots of nutes in that soil already and it's easy to throw them off/ lock them out. Get your vpd in range and water 20% runoff and hopefully they come back quick. Too little info for a good diagnosis though

 

[SPARECHANGE]

i gotta get diesels template.

ok so they want u to water to 20% overflow... use a tds/ec meter (either). they want your parts per mil... or ec value: FROM THAT RUN OFF.. from tap and market water, would b good, as well so u know both values (ph & ppm/ec), as u add them. teepee temp and relative humidity. leaf surface temp would b nice. vapor pressure defect (vpd)- there r YouTube how twos... then renew ur Google card n pay ur late fees...

marijuana garden saver by jc stitch with ed, carving it... would b good. another grower bible, for starters.

it looks like low rh/dry.
that's what nute burn looks like.

u can pay these good peeps forward by starting a journal/thread so we can all stalk u til u call for cal mag n we'll b here.
your pics will b of use to the peeps who follow.

I'm a lil short... not hostile. it's just better i keep short n sweet.

many growers journal on YouTube, as well. many tubers, started in forums... u may even find a parallel grower, same medium n strain... so u know what to expect.

don't b down... my grow is fried in more ways than one, CURRENTLY.

might have a gander at fungus gnats, while ur at it.
any inoculants?

 

[Cmead97]

PH, PPM & General environment info would help, and why are you not using your tap water?

I don't use my tap water because we get hard water where I am in Mass and I had someone advise that I buy it instead. Im on a tight budget at the moment, so I don't have a temperature gauge in the closet I've got them in. I'd imagine its about 75 in there tho, with a real small fan for circulation. As far as my PH and PPMs, also haven't had the funds for a PPM pen, but I have been mixing 1 tsp per gallon on Gen Hydro nutes. Plants are in a relatively dry environment in their closet.

 

[Cmead97]

i gotta get diesels template.

ok so they want u to water to 20% overflow... use a tds/ec meter (either). they want your parts per mil... or ec value: FROM THAT RUN OFF.. from tap and market water, would b good, as well so u know both values (ph & ppm/ec), as u add them. teepee temp and relative humidity. leaf surface temp would b nice. vapor pressure defect (vpd)- there r YouTube how twos... then renew ur Google card n pay ur late fees...

marijuana garden saver by jc stitch with ed, carving it... would b good. another grower bible, for starters.

it looks like low rh/dry.
that's what nute burn looks like.

u can pay these good peeps forward by starting a journal/thread so we can all stalk u til u call for cal mag n we'll b here.
your pics will b of use to the peeps who follow.

I'm a lil short... not hostile. it's just better i keep short n sweet.

many growers journal on YouTube, as well. many tubers, started in forums... u may even find a parallel grower, same medium n strain... so u know what to expect.

don't b down... my grow is fried in more ways than one, CURRENTLY.

might have a gander at fungus gnats, while ur at it.
any inoculants?

We have seen fungus gnats early in the grow. However we switched soils and let's it dry out pretty good and that seemed to dwindle the numbers down to basically nothing. As far as for the PPMs and my PH, PH of water w/o nutes is 7. With nutes tends to drop closer to 6, but still above. Haven't tested the PH of the runoff but that's my next move. Also need to get my hands on an PPM pen as im not able to test my ppms right now either. I guess I'm definitely gonna need some more equipment. I will checkout those two ppl as well.

 

[Cmead97]

Looks like a vpd issue to me. What's your temp humidity look like, and night temp as well.

I suppose I need a few more tools. Will get a min max thermometer and humidity gauge and get back to this forum asap

 

[Mattyice]

What they said, looks like high temperature and humidity. Could be some slow drainage causing the additional moisture, and drowning the girls a little. And I always use tap water hard or soft as long as it’s not an odd color water and if you drink it the girls should be ok.try getting some better venting, and letting em dry out

 

[Cmead97]

What they said, looks like high temperature and humidity. Could be some slow drainage causing the additional moisture, and drowning the girls a little. And I always use tap water hard or soft as long as it’s not an odd color water and if you drink it the girls should be ok.try getting some better venting, and letting em dry out

Thanks so much man I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

 

[Beachwalker]

I don't use my tap water because we get hard water where I am in Mass and I had someone advise that I buy it instead. Im on a tight budget at the moment, so I don't have a temperature gauge in the closet I've got them in. I'd imagine its about 75 in there tho, with a real small fan for circulation. As far as my PH and PPMs, also haven't had the funds for a PPM pen, but I have been mixing 1 tsp per gallon on Gen Hydro nutes. Plants are in a relatively dry environment in their closet.

I'm also in Mass., the only bad water that I'm aware of is down the cape but I suppose there could be other places? I recommend you check your tap waters PPM & pH

Also the pH of distilled and RO water is not measurable by typical methods because there are not enough ions to be measured. You may think it's 7.0, it may even read 7.0, but it is not.

You may be better off using your local tap water, get some readings and let us know or check with your local cities Water Department and they will be able to tell you

 

[SPARECHANGE]

I don't use my tap water because we get hard water where I am in Mass and I had someone advise that I buy it instead. Im on a tight budget at the moment, so I don't have a temperature gauge in the closet I've got them in. I'd imagine its about 75 in there tho, with a real small fan for circulation. As far as my PH and PPMs, also haven't had the funds for a PPM pen, but I have been mixing 1 tsp per gallon on Gen Hydro nutes. Plants are in a relatively dry environment in their closet.

there's a cheap litmus type test. i can't catch up. lost my mojo

 

[Beachwalker]

there's a cheap litmus type test. i can't catch up. lost my mojo

.. sending some major Mojo your way!

 

[Jimster]

I think they are being overfed. FF has a lot of nutrients directly out of the bag, and any additions could cause nute burn or sometimes nute lockout later on as stuff accumulates. I would keep watered well as long as your soil doesn't hold too much water (I use Promix HP) and let the FF alone with just plain water. Hard water isn't always a bad thing, depending on how hard. It supplies magnesium and other minerals and helps to counter the acidity of many nutrients. I have noticed that some strains and young plants have initial problems with high levels of nutrients in the mix. I would use just water for the next few weeks unless something obvious happens. Maybe some micro nutrients just to keep things available, but with FF stuff, the major nutes are already in place... It's like using 2x the amount of fertilizer if you supplement them.

 

[Cmead97]

I'm also in Mass., the only bad water that I'm aware of is down the cape but I suppose there could be other places? I recommend you check your tap waters PPM & pH

Also the pH of distilled and RO water is not measurable by typical methods because there are not enough ions to be measured. You may think it's 7.0, it may even read 7.0, but it is not.

You may be better off using your local tap water, get some readings and let us know or check with your local cities Water Department and they will be able to tell you

Good advice bro, just ran out of test for PH but will test when I get more tonight. Totally appreciate this advice tho. Especially from a fellow Masshole!

 

[Cmead97]

I think they are being overfed. FF has a lot of nutrients directly out of the bag, and any additions could cause nute burn or sometimes nute lockout later on as stuff accumulates. I would keep watered well as long as your soil doesn't hold too much water (I use Promix HP) and let the FF alone with just plain water. Hard water isn't always a bad thing, depending on how hard. It supplies magnesium and other minerals and helps to counter the acidity of many nutrients. I have noticed that some strains and young plants have initial problems with high levels of nutrients in the mix. I would use just water for the next few weeks unless something obvious happens. Maybe some micro nutrients just to keep things available, but with FF stuff, the major nutes are already in place... It's like using 2x the amount of fertilizer if you supplement them.

Thanks for the advice. I'm just wondering, you dont think 4 plants of that size and being in the pots for about 3 weeks wouldn't drain all nutes from the soil. I'll definitely look at my tap again tho, it seems like I'm going above and beyond on water quality which is actually harming rather than helping.

 

[Beachwalker]

Good advice bro, just ran out of test for PH but will test when I get more tonight. Totally appreciate this advice tho. Especially from a fellow Masshole!

No no friend my heart is still up in New Hampshire, and everyday is one day closer to getting back there believe me! You can have my share of Mass!

 

[Jimster]

The plants are still relatively small and don't have the same need for nutes that a older, more developed plant has. They are just beginning to get into the alternate growing style (instead of the side by side growth pattern of younger plants) and will still get plenty of nutrients from the soil. As I mentioned, I usually only feed once every 12-15 days depending on the size and state the plants are in and still get a great and vibrant plant using only 20-20-20 fertilizer in Promix (which contains no nutrients) and mixed with about 15-20% compost/manure mix. The amount of nutrients present in many pre charged soils is much higher than is usually found in nature. It is VERY easy to overfeed, especially for newer growers who use way to many nutes and supplements, IMO. The marketing and directions for many nutes is why many feel obligated to use it and everyone sees others using it and feel almost obligated to follow suit. Many experienced growers use at most half the recommended amount of nutes as stated on the directions for many of their grows and still have maximum results.
Your plant look good and healthy, but be careful in the future and look for possible issues with nutrient lockout or salt buildup in the future if you don't have well draining soil. Getting water out the bottom of the buckets in between feedings is an easy way to keep salts buildup at bay, since they can accumulate if the soil is poor draining or underwatered mediums. Damp roots with plenty of O2 is as important to the roots and plant as it is above ground, poor drainage can cause a lot of problems. Keep up the good work and keep getting more experience, and many of these issues will become 2nd nature. Like having children, the first one is full of concerns and over mothering... the 2nd and later children are much less stressful as you have the base exoperience down and know how to separate the BS from real life stuff, unlike commercials and advertisments might suggest.

 

[Madbud]

Theres hard water all through northern worcester and middlesex counties, mostly calcium and manganese, high iron too. Never saw any sulfur samples tho. Water alternatives, find a roadside spring or snow melt. And get one of those cheap prong meters for watering or ascale to weigh the seedling pots. Good luck, cool its all legal now here!!!