Recreational MJ Shops

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Alright. Some of us live in states that decided to legalize recreational marijuana. Some states have rec laws which are better than others.

Let's take all of the legal mumbo jumbo out of the equation. I want quality buds wherever I buy. Some local "shops" near me have buds completely covered in mold. So badly, I took a small black light into a few "problem" shops and waited til the owner was in front of me. They spouted, "the flower passed our standard testing requirements for resale".

A. That's a load of sh*t
B. How much mold is legal?
C. Under a scope - most the weed I find has trichs which are CLEAR. Not cloudy, absolutely NOT amber. Clear.

So now, I am curious. If you have a jeweler's loop or a proper scope and buy ANY flower from a local REC (no med states please) shop and come across anything which has not matured to the standard harvesting (x%cloudy shown vs x% amber trichs etc) levels OR have found mold within your states, "standard testing requirements"...

I would like to see it. Slap that B under a scope and show me what you find. Let it be known, the problem in the group are not my only focus. Let me see the successes as well.

Pures, Hyrbrids and whatever the hell a recreational shop calls it - let's see it.

As a sidebar - this post comes from a severe level of disappointment from my states, "standards". Granted - YES you can harvest plants before they are mature.

Premature cultivation results in a huge variance of effects. Most strains I see come with completely clear trichs (indica dom).

I understand it's a business and they need to manage their space with a fresh flow of product. Imagine being new to this scene or worse yet a seasoned veteran who dropped out years ago because it wasnt worth the risk to grow.

You walk into a rec shop and some kid is spouting X, Y, and Z about this herb or another and in reality its harvested prematurely or is covered in mold.

Now imagine the number of folks who dont have a God damn clue about weed and what they inhale?

Rant over. Pictures below show "Gelato". An indica dominant strain which has completely clear crystals.

My pics were through a x60k jewlers loop. I am sure they dont show what my eye to the scope can but, trust me. This was harvested for profit and not for quality. Huge thumbs down.

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Restore my faith in some states rec laws or contribute to my disappointment. Just be honest and share what you find ✌
 
MIMedGrower

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The med dispensaries here were so bad i would never even bother with a rec shop.

Cut early. Best buds already gone to the owner or black market. Even sifted or even blasted first before sold as top shelf medical.

I grow because west michigan dispensary and black market weed sucked. Didnt have this problem before legal in colorado. But according to friends there the store weed sucks pretty bad.

No one should have settled for regulated weed.
 
SadBadGrower

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I wish I could upload my trichome pics. I jus lost my phone attachment the other day. Anyways, my sister has the card and used a dispensary here in Pennsylvania. The brand was called "Prime" and the strain was " Butter Cookies ". I had used the loupe to check trichomes and on a larf bud ( the biggest in her gram container ) there were literally zero trichomes. We broke the bud open and the trichomes that were there were still 100% clear. She also had a seed in the bud too. ( Which I am now growing ). I have heard the moldy bud gets used for oils etc instead of sold on shelf. Their dates are old on many strains. Just a nightmare really.
 
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Bud-tenders

So as I waited, alone in the cold, outside a Massachusetts dispensary in 2016, casually chatting with the security guard who informed me, several times, that they were having a meeting, and that it would only be a few minutes before I could go in, to spend $50 for an eighth of an ounce of bud...
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bunkerking

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MIMedGrower said:
The med dispensaries here were so bad i would never even bother with a rec shop.

Cut early. Best buds already gone to the owner or black market. Even sifted or even blasted first before sold as top shelf medical.

I grow because west michigan dispensary and black market weed sucked. Didnt have this problem before legal in colorado. But according to friends there the store weed sucks pretty bad.

No one should have settled for regulated weed.
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Dude for real. It would take oz and oz of weed for enough keif in the ginder to smoke one bowl of it. I clogged up the ginder like 3 times on just one oz of my homegrown purple punch... like dafuq. It's just junk. Great for people who don't smoke often.... awful for stoners.
 
MIMedGrower

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I think its because the great growers with experience would never pay fees and taxes or have inspectors come in their space. So we get more average hobbiests with day jobs and credit opening the stores.

They get over there head right away.
 
HiDaze

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MIMedGrower said:
I think its because the great growers with experience would never pay fees and taxes or have inspectors come in their space. So we get more average hobbiests with day jobs and credit opening the stores.

They get over there head right away.
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You're not wrong. A great med spot within my area was operating just shy of 5 years before WA's rec laws kicked in. They had to shut down within a year.

The owner, employees and medical sources had so much knowledge and passion for their work. Ultimately their location was not zoned correctly and the owner couldn't afford the price tag of my states licensing for sales.

Seems to me the, "green rush" of people with cash / credit trying to rip a profit out continues. There are so many shops with hobbyists owning or operating it's practically a joke. The profit is there for the state due to the lack of knowledge most of their client base possesses.

Seen many good folks lose their livelihoods because they would not put a poor product on their shelves. Yes, it met the states requirements. And the douchebag next door bought it up, sold mold / shit product and keeps their lights on.

Completely f*cked.
 
FourthCity

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HiDaze said:
Alright. Some of us live in states that decided to legalize recreational marijuana. Some states have rec laws which are better than others.

Let's take all of the legal mumbo jumbo out of the equation. I want quality buds wherever I buy. Some local "shops" near me have buds completely covered in mold. So badly, I took a small black light into a few "problem" shops and waited til the owner was in front of me. They spouted, "the flower passed our standard testing requirements for resale".

A. That's a load of sh*t
B. How much mold is legal?
C. Under a scope - most the weed I find has trichs which are CLEAR. Not cloudy, absolutely NOT amber. Clear.

So now, I am curious. If you have a jeweler's loop or a proper scope and buy ANY flower from a local REC (no med states please) shop and come across anything which has not matured to the standard harvesting (x%cloudy shown vs x% amber trichs etc) levels OR have found mold within your states, "standard testing requirements"...

I would like to see it. Slap that B under a scope and show me what you find. Let it be known, the problem in the group are not my only focus. Let me see the successes as well.

Pures, Hyrbrids and whatever the hell a recreational shop calls it - let's see it.

As a sidebar - this post comes from a severe level of disappointment from my states, "standards". Granted - YES you can harvest plants before they are mature.

Premature cultivation results in a huge variance of effects. Most strains I see come with completely clear trichs (indica dom).

I understand it's a business and they need to manage their space with a fresh flow of product. Imagine being new to this scene or worse yet a seasoned veteran who dropped out years ago because it wasnt worth the risk to grow.

You walk into a rec shop and some kid is spouting X, Y, and Z about this herb or another and in reality its harvested prematurely or is covered in mold.

Now imagine the number of folks who dont have a God damn clue about weed and what they inhale?

Rant over. Pictures below show "Gelato". An indica dominant strain which has completely clear crystals.

My pics were through a x60k jewlers loop. I am sure they dont show what my eye to the scope can but, trust me. This was harvested for profit and not for quality. Huge thumbs down.

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Restore my faith in some states rec laws or contribute to my disappointment. Just be honest and share what you find ✌
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I think I'm going to have to contribute to your disappointment. I'm not sure exactly why you have such high standards for dispensaries, think of just about any product and you will usually find the high quality examples represent small portions of their market and tend to fetch the highest prices. A couple examples: Looking for that extra fancy bottle of wine? You cant get it at the gas station or the supermarket, you have to search for the right shop that carries it and it wont be cheap. Have your eye on the latest hot pair of shoes? Not gonna find them at walmart, be prepared to wait in line at the one place in town that has them. All I'm saying is there is definitely good bud at some of the dispensaries but if you want it you will need to talk to the bud tenders (nicely) and find out when it usually comes in and how fast it sells out. I've called in to dispensaries to ask about the quality of their inventory before taking a drive and have been straight up told that if I could wait a few more days they will have "the good stuff". Most dispensaries have multiple suppliers they buy from so sometimes its just a waiting game, some dispensaries that cater more to tourists or lower income areas and may never have the quality you are looking for.
 
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Far as I'm concerned... recreation shops are for tourist and idiots...state run garbage..all the good growers are still growing on there own and still have all the customers and most selling way better quality smoke and cheaper..I did not vote to go recreational here in Michigan.. didn't want the " man" coming in and taking over and looking for pot smokers like drunk drivers...and every speck of weed coming out of my grow is 99.9% clean..
 
bunkerking

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MIMedGrower said:
Thats what some did. It happens. Out west they do that and broker the stripped buds to eastern black markets.

Double the profit.
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also where do you think all these shops are getting stuff for inhouse oil production... :/


Yah im pretty disappointed in it.

I swear Mexican brick weed was better back in the day lol.
 
Terpz719

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I worked for a couple of years as a production floater at a midsized vertically integrated cannabis company in CO. They have seven dispensaries, four grows, and a concentrate company. I worked in flower packaging, wholesale, the joint room, and occasionally helped with harvests. To their credit, everything was hand trimmed by their own trim team, that traveled from grow to grow on harvest days. Harvests were on a pretty tight time schedule - chop, wet trim, hang, then on to the next grow. About a week later they were back for the dry trim - rinse and repeat. In our case, an entire flower room was not harvested at once.

I can only speak to what I did and witnessed at that company. I have friends with other companies, and I hear it's very similar. So to specifically address some of your questions, everything that was scheduled to be chopped on a certain day was regardless of what the trichomes looked like. Every harvest included multiple strains that were all over the map in terms of ripeness. It's a big business, with a ton of moving parts, lots of logistics, and lots of money at stake. It is just the way it is. Before I worked in the industry, I thought there were guys in lab coats going around with loupes lovingly checking each plant, but it doesn't work that way. Perhaps it does work that way in smaller boutique grows, but that isn't their business model.

LOL, @Beachwalker you're not too far from the truth. In my experience it wasn't done for greed, but for efficiency. Here is the culprit: https://budsorter.com/bud-sorter-machines/

I've run one of those sorters many times processing 80+ pounds of buds in a shift. The popcorn buds went to the joint room for grinding, and the shake went to the concentrate company for blasting. What kief did come off ended up in the air and or ended up with the shake. I can't tell you how much I hated to break down monster baseball bat sized colas for packaging, but on the plus side I got to play with monster colas all day long!
 
MIMedGrower

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Terpz719 said:
I worked for a couple of years as a production floater at a midsized vertically integrated cannabis company in CO. They have seven dispensaries, four grows, and a concentrate company. I worked in flower packaging, wholesale, the joint room, and occasionally helped with harvests. To their credit, everything was hand trimmed by their own trim team, that traveled from grow to grow on harvest days. Harvests were on a pretty tight time schedule - chop, wet trim, hang, then on to the next grow. About a week later they were back for the dry trim - rinse and repeat. In our case, an entire flower room was not harvested at once.

I can only speak to what I did and witnessed at that company. I have friends with other companies, and I hear it's very similar. So to specifically address some of your questions, everything that was scheduled to be chopped on a certain day was regardless of what the trichomes looked like. Every harvest included multiple strains that were all over the map in terms of ripeness. It's a big business, with a ton of moving parts, lots of logistics, and lots of money at stake. It is just the way it is. Before I worked in the industry, I thought there were guys in lab coats going around with loupes lovingly checking each plant, but it doesn't work that way. Perhaps it does work that way in smaller boutique grows, but that isn't their business model.

LOL, @Beachwalker you're not too far from the truth. In my experience it wasn't done for greed, but for efficiency. Here is the culprit: https://budsorter.com/bud-sorter-machines/

I've run one of those sorters many times processing 80+ pounds of buds in a shift. The popcorn buds went to the joint room for grinding, and the shake went to the concentrate company for blasting. What kief did come off ended up in the air and or ended up with the shake. I can't tell you how much I hated to break down monster baseball bat sized colas for packaging, but on the plus side I got to play with monster colas all day long!
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You are defending producing a bad product. They could wait til the weed is actually done. Instead of propogating ripping off the customer.
 
MIGrampaUSA

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Terpz719 said:
I worked for a couple of years as a production floater at a midsized vertically integrated cannabis company in CO. They have seven dispensaries, four grows, and a concentrate company. I worked in flower packaging, wholesale, the joint room, and occasionally helped with harvests. To their credit, everything was hand trimmed by their own trim team, that traveled from grow to grow on harvest days. Harvests were on a pretty tight time schedule - chop, wet trim, hang, then on to the next grow. About a week later they were back for the dry trim - rinse and repeat. In our case, an entire flower room was not harvested at once.

I can only speak to what I did and witnessed at that company. I have friends with other companies, and I hear it's very similar. So to specifically address some of your questions, everything that was scheduled to be chopped on a certain day was regardless of what the trichomes looked like. Every harvest included multiple strains that were all over the map in terms of ripeness. It's a big business, with a ton of moving parts, lots of logistics, and lots of money at stake. It is just the way it is. Before I worked in the industry, I thought there were guys in lab coats going around with loupes lovingly checking each plant, but it doesn't work that way. Perhaps it does work that way in smaller boutique grows, but that isn't their business model.

LOL, @Beachwalker you're not too far from the truth. In my experience it wasn't done for greed, but for efficiency. Here is the culprit: https://budsorter.com/bud-sorter-machines/

I've run one of those sorters many times processing 80+ pounds of buds in a shift. The popcorn buds went to the joint room for grinding, and the shake went to the concentrate company for blasting. What kief did come off ended up in the air and or ended up with the shake. I can't tell you how much I hated to break down monster baseball bat sized colas for packaging, but on the plus side I got to play with monster colas all day long!
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My experiences are from the customer side of the counter. Also, I have yet to visit a recreational dispensary. All dispensaries in my area are still all medical. I can say this ... since the State of Michigan moved to regulate the medical market, everything has gone down hill. Prices have gone up, quality has gone down. It's a mess that's still trying to sort itself out.

Weed is everywhere but good weed is almost never found ... at least not in the dispensaries around me. Seems everything is rushed to market so it can be sold.
 
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