If its not Organic! 100% its just any other drug

[bongstar]

Synthetic ferts are incomplete in so many ways. And can never create the quality that properly grown organic can. Synthetic can yeild but it can't create the quality of protiens that organic can. Look at the synthetic tomatoes at the store, large and beautiful, but lacking in nutrition and flavor. Cannabis is no different. Here is some food for thought

 

[MIMedGrower]

Synthetic ferts are incomplete in so many ways. And can never create the quality that properly grown organic can. Synthetic can yeild but it can't create the quality of protiens that organic can. Look at the synthetic tomatoes at the store, large and beautiful, but lacking in nutrition and flavor. Cannabis is no different. Here is some food for thoughtView attachment 938415View attachment 938416View attachment 938417View attachment 938418

Why dont you show what book you are quoting?

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

Hey when you need to smoke for boredom sake and you have a huge sack of nugs that have molded... I ask my self is this a safe mold...and yes it were. In the dark ages I would spend summer smoking fan leaf from a gravity bong... Mold bud that was an em1 or something else not harmful to me would have been a treat. In the dark days in the beginning I smoked serious poison boy buds. Then I realized the depression was from the chemicals. So sad I ever smoked chemical trash.

To my knowledge, there is not a safe level of mold. Where are you getting this information that "some" mold is safe to smoke?

What made you "realize" that your depression was from the chemicals? How did you "determine" what was chemical and what was organically grown? There has been more than one occasion where "organic" claims have been very misleading or untrue.

When I see you commenting on "smoking safe mold" I have to wonder how much of the "science" you are quoting you actually understand. While there is some truths in what you are saying, there's much more to be said before drawing a conclusion.

I'm not promoting chemicals or endorsing organics. What I'd like to see is solid proof about the statements you're making.

 

[bongstar]

First off I'm not advocating smoking mold. as I've done no research on it. And there are so many types of mold some bad some good , I'm sure some may be harmless to smoke. I personally don't like to smoke mold. I'm advocating organic growing.

 

[bongstar]

Why dont you show what book you are quoting?

It's an amazing read. About 950 pages. Loaded with mind opening information. There are some real secret weapons in here. I use to by micro nutes before I read this. This book even tells you micro nute value of differant composted materials.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

It's an amazing read. About 950 pages. Loaded with mind opening information. There are some real secret weapons in here. I use to by micro nutes before I read this. This book even tells you micro nute value of differant composted materials.View attachment 938500

You had me worried for a bit about smoking mold.

Done correctly, organic gardening practices are an excellent choice for some people. Composting isn't an option for my indoor grow. I'd be afraid of what critters I could potentially bring into the house.

 

[THCMonster]

If you use any ff big bloom or other mixed organic conventional farming fert with the ammonium or any other chemistry based ferts, many people get a crash and don't know it. Even if flushed they usually just label it different in their perception.
Only organics in my experience have a lack of crash.
I think a lot of people know this but don't care because they think it cost more or is harder to grow organic.
I liken chemicals and pesticides to child abuse.
I can tell even if they are really pro and spray and flush at the right times. I still get a crash.
Wanting to smoke because I enjoy the effects and what not is one thing
Needing to smoke because some chemicals or pesticide is damaging my nervous system.
A pro tip if you don't know what to add or do and want to go cheap.
GROW VEGAN buy 3 things mycos, and quality organic seaweed, (quality cal mag molasses or fulvic acid or no preservative coconut can water. )

Its an amazing result.

Lol, If you knew anything about Organic Chemistry you would know that everything breaks down into base elements!

I ferment my own nutrients and I can tell you what your saying is a load of Bullshit, nature itself creates synthetic nutrients at the end of every reaction, but we just consider it organic because it wasnt MAN-MADE!

You dont think nature doesnt create compounds like Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate or Potassium Phosphate? If you truly believe that you need to go back to school and actually learn the right things!

 

[bongstar]

Lol, If you knew anything about Organic Chemistry you would know that everything breaks down into base elements!

I ferment my own nutrients and I can tell you what your saying is a load of Bullshit, nature itself creates synthetic nutrients at the end of every reaction, but we just consider it organic because it wasnt MAN-MADE!

You dont think nature doesnt create compounds like Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate or Potassium Phosphate? If you truly believe that you need to go back to school and actually learn the right things!

you are right. your also missing deeper facts. read what I posted about the arrangement of protiens.

 

[THCMonster]

But what that books not saying is that it requires bacteria and fungi to seperate the chains of both nitrogen and amino acids from protein sources, so if your not using bacteria or fungi to undergo fermentation on proteins then you dont get the protease enzyme required to seperate those bonds! You have to understand not everyone growing cannabis is a licensed organic chemist! So how are average individuals trying to grow cannabis suppose to know these things, also what that page isnt showing is that organic forma or protein convert to nitrogen, but that nitrogen is mostly in the form of Ammonia! It takes nitrication from bacteria to convert ammomia to nitrite, then more nitrifying bacteria to convert nitrite to nitrate! At the end of that process it is no difference between ammonium nitrate from protein breaking down or ammonium nitrate mined from the ground! If you ever ran a fish tank you would know this!

So your info is both misleading and quite frankly very insulting!

 

[bunkerking]

Synthetic ferts are incomplete in so many ways. And can never create the quality that properly grown organic can. It's just imposible.

I could point you to a few anti vacc books, doesn't make true.

There is zero proof that organic grows produce different componds then salts. Are there more options of food sources? Sure. Different terp profile? Sure. But it's not magic. Just science.

 

[bongstar]

But what that books not saying is that it requires bacteria and fungi to seperate the chains of both nitrogen and amino acids from protein sources, so if your not using bacteria or fungi to undergo fermentation on proteins then you dont get the protease enzyme required to seperate those bonds! You have to understand not everyone growing cannabis is a licensed organic chemist! So how are average individuals trying to grow cannabis suppose to know these things, also what that page isnt showing is that organic forma or protein convert to nitrogen, but that nitrogen is mostly in the form of Ammonia! It takes nitrication from bacteria to convert ammomia to nitrite, then more nitrifying bacteria to convert nitrite to nitrate! At the end of that process it is no difference between ammonium nitrate from protein breaking down or ammonium nitrate mined from the ground! If you ever ran a fish tank you would know this!

So your info is both misleading and quite frankly very insulting!

I believe your missing the point, what I posted backs what you say,to but your missing much more. And yes the book did say that, it's 928 pages.and the conversion of nitrogen through bacteria and mold is basic info around here. And you touting a degree is actually insulting . You don't need to pay a college to learn. Knowledge is free for those who want. Both of your statement are correct. I just added more info. What I posted clearly states that nitrogen is nitrogen, and 8 is 8. But there is alot more that goes into decay and uptake than nitrogen. You are a smart man and this isn't a pissing match. But no degree or any amount of knowledge can compete be with a billion year old process.

 

[Matthewstever]

Um, yeah.
Basic science. A mineral is what it is because of its molecular structure. How that molecule of, say, potassium, got made is immaterial. That particular molecule can only be potassium in that arrangement of atoms. Add a single atom and it isn't potassium anymore.
Just because that molecule was "man made" doesn't make it any different than the one nature put together.
Pesticides-no. I'm reading and teaching myself about companion plants that repel bugs, but also those that will lure bugs to them. Bugs are nature. There will always be bugs. Every one of us has smoked bugs.
Maybe it's all in my head, but I think I can tell when been oil and dish soap and all that stuff has been used..
So thanks for letting me ramble..I'm no scientist...but for a discussion like this you really need to define what you consider to be a "chemical". Even "organic" things are made of molecules and arrangements of molecules we call "chemicals".
If you want to get way out there, quantum physicists are investigating the way the frequencies of the atomic bonds between atoms influence our ability to smell...or how birds use those frequencies to navigate....imagine how nature arranges those bonds and creates what we consider to be complex systems....it's all......
Damn you, Diamond OG at 9:45am.........

 

[bongstar]

Also the book isn't an antibiotic vacc book, so before you resort to slander, or point to your Degree to nullify my points please know I understand what you are saying and agree, I'm just adding information. Misson tortilla uses people with a degree to formulate and run there tortilla factory. But damn are my uneducated grandma's tortillas a hundred times better. A degree dosent equate to superiority.

 

[bongstar]

Also your slandering us " average individual" or people with out a degree is pretty arogant and closed minded. I learn from all walks of life. And it seams as no one read what I posted. It states that there is no difference in synthetic nutes and organic nute once ionized. That is pretty common knowledge that one didn't need a degree to know. You missed the whole point. Please read to see that it backs your point. But there is a point after about protiens of different quality the role of organic vs synth in the role of protien creation.

 

[BigCube]

Are people still having this argument?

Happy to peck away on a little super computer that fits in your pocket, but doubt science when it tells you something you dont want to hear...

Never understood that...

The plant doesnt care where the nutrients came from. Nitrogen is nitrogen if it came out of a bats ass or refined sodium nitrate.

I stay away from organic stuff. It's worse for the environment, its inferior and way more of a health risk. No thanks.

 

[bongstar]

I could point you to a few anti vacc books, doesn't make true.

There is zero proof that organic grows produce different componds then salts. Are there more options of food sources? Sure. Different terp profile? Sure. But it's not magic. Just science.

Yes there is plenty. Don't only read what backs your point.

Are people still having this argument?

Happy to peck away on a little super computer that fits in your pocket, but doubt science when it tells you something you dont want to hear...

Never understood that...

The plant doesnt care where the nutrients came from. Nitrogen is nitrogen if it came out of a bats ass or refined sodium nitrate.

I stay away from organic stuff. It's worse for the environment, its inferior and way more of a health risk. No thanks.

Really you call the several books that I have that are over 500 pages a super computer. Your funny. Slander is no way to win an a debate. Aren't these synth vs organic battles fun. You eat your mission tortillas I'll eat my grandma's, smoke your synthetic stuff I'll stick to organic. My case has been pleaded. Let the folks take what they want from it. You have yet to state your case. Please state your case instead of you bro slander. That way you may teach me something.

 

[Dbear180]

lol @ you guys arguing in this thread. If you had read anything this jolly guy has posted you woulda bailed a long time ago & not wasted your time trying to flex your wieners in here

 

[bongstar]

lol @ you guys arguing in this thread. If you had read anything this jolly guy has posted you woulda bailed a long time ago & not wasted your time trying to flex your wieners in here

I know I just try to find any chance i can to rile up the synth guys.

 

[BigCube]

Yes there is plenty. Don't only read what backs your point.

Really you call the several books that I have that are over 500 pages a super computer. Your funny. Slander is no way to win an a debate. Aren't these synth vs organic battles fun. You eat your mission tortillas I'll eat my grandma's, smoke your synthetic stuff I'll stick to organic. My case has been pleaded. Let the folks take what they want from it. You have yet to state your case. Please state your case instead of you bro slander. That way you may teach me something.

Books? Pages? Lol what?

I also think you made your case. I also think that you think it's a good case.

But what you dont know, is that I know you dont know that I know it's not even a "case". Its just fluffy hippy dippy feelings. And "it's my truth" type sadness.

OK now that you've made your ignorance known by putting it up on display and making us acknowledge it. We will sit back and see who else gives a shit

I'm sorry if you feel like I'm attacking you, or "slandering" you (not the right word for the action by the way). It can often feel like that when people disagree with you. I suggest not "debating" people if you cant handle people disagreeing with you.

I'm sure you're a great guy, unfortunately even nice people can be wrong. The real virtue of being human though, is that we can investigate things. We can test things, we can manipulate things and we can create things.

When you find wonder again, when you actually want to find the underlying reality of a thing. I hope you use those tools you have up there in your head and follow the absolute best thing we have going for us as a species. The scientific method.

No really I'm a real person too

 

[bunkerking]

Books? Pages? Lol what?

I also think you made your case. I also think that you think it's a good case.

But what you dont know, is that I know you dont know that I know it's not even a "case". Its just fluffy hippy dippy feelings. And "it's my truth" type sadness.

OK now that you've made your ignorance known by putting it up on display and making us acknowledge it. We will sit back and see who else gives a shit

I'm sorry if you feel like I'm attacking you, or "slandering" you (not the right word for the action by the way). It can often feel like that when people disagree with you. I suggest not "debating" people if you cant handle people disagreeing with you.

I'm sure you're a great guy, unfortunately even nice people can be wrong. The real virtue of being human though, is that we can investigate things. We can test things, we can manipulate things and we can create things.

When you find wonder again, when you actually want to find the underlying reality of a thing. I hope you use those tools you have up there in your head and follow the absolute best thing we have going for us as a species. The scientific method.

No really I'm a real person too

Ok boomer would have been quicker to say lol.