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Schwer's First Grow Evah! Planning, Prep and Grow

First you mentioned the light from Growers Choice. If it broke would they pay to ship it back and send you a new one? Because I bought two oscillating fans from them that broke within two weeks and they gave me a hard time. Telling me send them a video. I...
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First you mentioned the light from Growers Choice. If it broke would they pay to ship it back and send you a new one?
Because I bought two oscillating fans from them that broke within two weeks and they gave me a hard time. Telling me send them a video. I tried that once before with a differant product someone told me to send them. Yeah my email says can't send the file is too large. 10 seconds and it was too large. Besides if the thing doesn't work, what will a video show.
If you read their web site they will tell you all the wonderful things they will do for the customer.
Enough about them just buy from someone who will really back it up. Maybe a local store or Amazon. With amazon if you can find the number to call( increasing harder to do) They will make it right for you. Thats important with big dollar items for me.
I was thinking if you are only allowed two mature plants then grow two huge plants. Get the biggest tent you can reasonably handle for just two plants. I have 2, 5 x5 tents, two plants could easily fill one of those tents. You could grow one plant in there and take up most of it. That way you get some poundage legally.. In another tent you could grow a mother plant and a clone or two to replace your flower set up. I bought two spider farmer 4000 lights because they said it would flower a 5 x5. They are too small a foot print for that, I ended up putting both of them in one tent and buying an bar/array light that can draw 680 watts in the other tent.. It's physical size is near 4 x4 so it has a much better PAR foot print away from the center. Do your research on the lights foot print out towards the edges and corner.Count those lines they show in their PAR chart, is that number really at the edge of your tent or only 18 inches from center? 900 in the center area is all the plant can handle so something beaming down 1800 in the middle but 250 in the corners is not the best light. Buds off to the sides in partial shade won't be much good. I had four good size plants in one of those tents and they shade each other out below the tops. But maybe start smaller and make your mistakes on something cheaper. My SF 4000's weren't the best buy because they don't flood a big enough area. A 2x2 or 2x3 yes they would be good.That was a waste of money for me. The other thing is watering your plants. How are you going to carry 5 gallon buckets up to the 3rd floor? I only go from the kitchen to the bedroom and I complain to myself. I want a tap and sink in the grow room Ha. If it gets to be real work you won't enjoy it. I'm gone 2 or 3 days when I get to the plants I have a couple hours of work to do., not really what I envisioned myself doing. It means my other chores get second billing or never get done. I end up just wanting it to be finished, like a job, thats not what I wanted. I started with 12 seeds, one didn't make it. I finished them but took clones and now growing them out. I know it doesn't sound like much to keep up with but it is. I think number one is enjoy what your doing.
 
First you mentioned the light from Growers Choice...

Hey bud, I really appreciate you sharing all that good info with me. Thanks for that. 👍Thing is though, I'm already a month into my grow and have made all of my purchases. 😁 I think you may be responding to page one.

Also, these bastards in the thread have already convinced me to break the current *cough* "guidelines" by keeping all six of my seedlings... at least for the moment.

You are totally right about being certain not to make the grow into "work". I literally turned my last hobby into a my full-time store-front business and now I hate that hobby and sold my business. Good news is that the watering hasn't been a problem or felt like work. Now I only carry water up one flight of stairs and that's typically work I look forward to doing anyway.
 
Try 20” on your light.
Looks like you have everything else dialed in .
The dehumidifier will spike your temps to the high end , make sure your ax has enough BTU’s to off set a significant jump in room temperature.
Good Luck !! 🍀

Thanks. 20" is exactly what I was thinking. Tomorrow I'll take the time to raise the lights and adjust output to keep it around 400 PPFD for a bit.

Why would a dehumidifier spike his temp a ton? If anything wouldn't it help the AC run more efficiently? How much heat does the actual unit put out? I have never run one, although will be soon.

I got a 50 pint by hisense and it’s exhaust temp is between 88-92 F
Which raised my room temp from 72 to 86 in an hour , I freaked out and ended up putting a 10k BTU directly in 8x4x6 tent . It’s helped , I stopped running lights during the day , raised dehumidifier to 59% and it keeps it around 46% . Room is still about 79 during day and 75 at night .
This was the biggest debacle I’ve run into yet …..

As it happens my dehumidifier arrived today so I can comment on this! Woot!

First things first though... sometime during the first hour or two that the dehumidifier was running the extra load tripped the breaker for the room. 🥵 Lights and fans couldn't have been off for more than an hour but still, that scared the piss out of me and has totally made me paranoid. In fact, I already checked the room once since starting this reply, lol no lie, although this Jack-the-Ripper I've been vaping might have something to do with that. Yikes. Anyway, the dehumidifer will be spending the night elsewhere until I sort this out. I also turned off the circulation fan and a fan I had running in my lung room just in case.

But hey, other than that the dehumidifier seems great!

I can confirm that it puts out a surprising amount of heat. The manufacturer recommends running it on continuous mode for 24 hours before normal use, so I had it running in the lung room at full blast for somewhere between 5 and 6 hours. Standing next to the dehumidifier was downright warm but room temps remained in check. I think I saw the tent temps reach 75F at the highest. It probably doesn't hurt that my tent's intake is low to the floor in the A/C's path, or that the A/C is intended for a much larger space.

The humidifier itself worked extremely well, dropping the humidity in the room to 46%, and tent humidity to 50% in that 5 or 6 hour time frame. Assuming I've done good enough job insulting the windows around the vent and AC unit, I doubt the humidifier will ever be subjected to that kind of continuous running as the grow progresses, or maybe I'm just vastly underestimating Virginia.
 
Hey bud, I really appreciate you sharing all that good info with me. Thanks for that. 👍Thing is though, I'm already a month into my grow and have made all of my purchases. 😁 I think you may be responding to page one.

Also, these bastards in the thread have already convinced me to break the current *cough* "guidelines" by keeping all six of my seedlings... at least for the moment.

You are totally right about being certain not to make the grow into "work". I literally turned my last hobby into a my full-time store-front business and now I hate that hobby and sold my business. Good news is that the watering hasn't been a problem or felt like work. Now I only carry water up one flight of stairs and that's typically work I look forward to doing anyway.
Sorry I replyed before noticing it's already 4 pages of comments. Good luck with the grow. Be careful with carrying water up stairs, that kind of work is for a young Marine recruit.
 
Just want to say hi and that I’m about to start my first grow (in VA too) and my plan is very similar to what you have going on! So thanks for sharing with us! Will be following along :)
 
Just want to say hi and that I’m about to start my first grow (in VA too) and my plan is very similar to what you have going on! So thanks for sharing with us! Will be following along :)

Awesome man! We've got quite the little VA crew going around here it seems. Love it.
 
Here's the humidifier and a pic of how I'm draining it. I cut away a tiny piece of the dense foam I used to secure and insulate the window vent and routed the dehumidifier drain tube to pour on my wife when she's watering flowers outside. I'm using the internal pump for the moment, but only because I seem to be missing a gasket that would allow it to gravity drain properly. Later today I'm going to find a way to DIY the drain so I can disable the pump. I don't need any extra drawing electricity after that breaker flip the other day.

Also, I had some extra window A/C insulating foam so I cut some pieces to give me a little better insulation on that window vent. I don't know how much it actually helps but it looks kind of cool, so... win.

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Also, its LST day! Woot!

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Everyone was looking incredibly happy and healthy this morning so I thought I'd go ahead and ruin their day. I expected to be nervous but I think I've watched so many videos on the subject that it was more fun than scary. I still feel like I have no clue what I'm doing though. Let's see how this goes. No snapped branches at least.

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The only one I haven't topped or bent yet is little Peggy. What on earth am I going to do with her? I mean look at her, the distance between her 1st and 3rd node is one centimeter, and as squat as she is I think she's already growing her 6th node. Sheesh.

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Lastly, I noticed my tent was channeling Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon last night. I'm going to go ahead and call that a good sign for the grow. 🌈

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Its wild how much bushier these guys look even just a day after LST and occasional leaf tucking. I've seen it happen in countless videos but its still exciting to watch in person. I don't think I mentioned it before but yesterday I also raised the light to ~20" and adjusted lighting to what ended up between 390 and 420 PPFD across the canopy. I'll edge that up a little higher over the next serval days.

Also, I found out this morning that the lung room is on the same circuit as the bathroom my wife uses for hair and makeup. We tripped the breaker again today while she was drying her hair, doh. The A/C is probably the main culprit so today I'm going to route it to a completely different circuit via an extension cord and then see how everything shapes up.

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Just tell her not to dry her hair 🤣

lol, She has already been WAY cooler about all of this than I probably deserve. I repurposed the entire guest room, half the kitchen sink looks like a laboratory, the power bill is likely to double, and now I have a bright yellow 25ft extension cord semi-permanently running down our upstairs hallway. She doesn't even use cannabis! She's a keeper I tell ya.
 
As for the plants, they're getting to the point that I'm thinking about up-potting to the 3 gallon Vivosun cloth pots.

When I open the velcro on the 1 gal cloth pots I don't see any roots wrapping or running down the sides, but my understanding is that the air-pruning prevents this from happening anyway. I do see tiny little root heads just barely poking out all over the place, and the soil feels very dense. I just gave them a good watering yesterday so I'll be adding how quickly the soil dries to my list of variables once that happens.

I did just LST them too, and topped them the day or two before that, so while growth seems to have slowed that might also be the reason.
 
lol, She has already been WAY cooler about all of this than I probably deserve. I repurposed the entire guest room, half the kitchen sink looks like a laboratory, the power bill is likely to double, and now I have a bright yellow 25ft extension cord semi-permanently running down our upstairs hallway. She doesn't even use cannabis! She's a keeper I tell ya.
I feel ya. I floated the idea of putting it my office before I moved it to the garage. We shall see what the power bill does when AC, full intensity on the lights, and then the dehumidifier hits. I at least bought a fairly efficient window unit but I am cooling a garage lol
 
I just checked on the crew about a half-hour after lights-on and they are looking VERY thirsty. That caught me by surprise so I'm making some RO right now to feed them in about an hour.

Their last watering was about 36 hours ago and I used ~.75 liters for each 1 gal pot. That felt like too much at the time but maybe that was just overwatering phobia and is actually wasn't enough. None of the pots had more than a few drops of runoff or anything like that. I think I will give them at least 1 liter each today. This also might be a sign that it's time to pot-up... unless I've just been way off on the water.

I'll post a pic of the thirsty girls right before I water them.
 
Good morning thirsty girls. I just gave them each a liter of water and it was the first time I got any real runoff, though still not very much, maybe 5%. Hopefully they'll look a bot happier over the next couple of hours. Also, what is up with the size of some of these fan leaves? Its making it difficult to get some of the lower branches out of the shade. Maybe I'll break one off and go sit under it on the beach today.

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I also just noticed some spots on my leaves so I'm going to go research that a bit and see if I can diagnose the problem... if there is one.

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It actually reminds me a little of what @FourPlants was seeing on his seedlings, so I'm thinking light burn maybe?
 
How are they doing? I figure I would at least bump your thread up to get some more traction.
 
How are they doing? I figure I would at least bump your thread up to get some more traction.

Thanks man, they've perked up quite a bit since their morning watering. I know for certain they got a good soak this time around so I'm going to watch them closely and will likely pot up to the 3 gallons at next watering.

As for the discoloring on the leaves, I still don't know for certain what it is but I have seen very small amounts of it on most of my plants. It doesn't look external like bugs or mildew so I'm not freaking out. In fact, I'm considering the advice I've seen Aqua Man frequently give about the dangers of giving plants more light than they need. I had been slowly increasing PPFD at the canopy to 400+ because that's what the spreadsheet I have recommends, but maybe that's more than they need right now and what I'm seeing on the leaves is the early signs of light burn or something similar. I've since backed off a bit on the lights and will see if things improve or get worse and go from there. Either way they seem pretty happy right now and I'm not exactly in a hurry.

As for traction, I don't expect that many of the grow threads get a frequent look, at least when it comes to diagnosing problems. If I really start to worry I make a post in the appropriate forum to seek some help. I am not too proud! 😄

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Everyone seems happy and lowering the light intensity has prevented more of that discoloration I was seeing on the leaves, assuming that was even the cause of course. Either way I haven't seen any new spotting.

They weren't ready for a watering this morning but felt close by weight and by feel. Assuming they're ready by this afternoon I will likely go ahead and up-pot to 3 gal pots where they will live out their remaining days unless I get rid of one or two after sexing or whatever else. If that's the case I might up-pot again to 5 gal. We shall see.

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Up-potting complete. I'll post some pics in about an hour after lights-on. I want to see what they look like after a new round of LST.
 
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