Veg (deficiency, disease, or excess?)

[KeytheCaregiver]

Your having a slurry of problems caused mainly by being root bound but also by massively flushing out all the nutrition in the nice expensive potting soil you have bought turning your media into pretty much coco/peat and perlite. Plants get so root bound that the media has issues absorbing the water, you defiantly should be watering twice daily. Once root bound plants in pretty much flushed out coco peat pearlite get dry they lock out pretty easily, if you ask me most of fox farms and roots are just coco pearlite and should be treated as so after they burn thru the dry amendments.....Once you get locked out plants that do not want to up take water OR food you get tons of def problems when theres food, and never get enough water.....

check out aquas HOW TO WATER COCO FOR BEST RESULTS

In pots that small, after flushing you should probably be feeding every other watering, and if your using RO you should buffer with cal mag. i would switch back to well water. Few solutions but first...
Why flush your organic soil like crazy? IF your going to do that why not just buffer your own coco peat
How often do you feed?
Do you increase the amount of food?
Leds should be more around 70% RH and 70 degrees but really you should be running your VPDs with LEDs cuz the windows are so much smaller......

To fix these problems!!
TRANSPLANT!!! Water more often and defiantly feed more often and do NOT let your plants get dry and droop!!!
Should've been done 20in or so ago lol!! I go clones to 3x3 root in less than 12in then into 1g they get no more than 20in before they start getting pissed......gotta be ready man they dont wait
Feed them food in the new dirt, the old root ball will up take it and green up!!
Raise the light and turn down a lil if you can, the light is kinda like the gas pedal. If its close and at full power you need to treat your plants as such, food all the time, tons of air flow, proper hum. now on the other side of that if you want to ease off the gas you pull the light up turn it down and feed a lot less and your plants just chill. you gotta keep up with your light, these LEDS are not growing under bulbs dog we must adjust.....

We had a drastic change in lighting in our veg room with these plants, they went from T5 6 bulbs to 500W Covert LED's. We raised the lights and made sure to taper them off but they were already doing pretty rough at that time and I regret putting them through that amount of stress. I agree 100% with your light/gas pedal theory. It makes a lot of sense, as far as 70%/70F, do you run this in your grow personally? I haven't paid much attention to VPD in the veg to be honest so I could do better with that for sure.

As far as transplanting goes, I agree, they needed to be transplanted a long time ago and it shows. We are very busy and I just need to make time for things like this and prioritize.

and why water to run off?

We normally water to run off every time to ensure the salts don't sit in the soil and burn the plant. Do you not agree with watering until runoff everytime?

really to be honest with you lotus looks like some over priced carrrrrrrrpppp. be a boss veg food = fish and kelp. want to run salts? get sum real cheap salt mix like Jacks..nuff said'

I've seen quite a few people stand by Lotus Nutrients, the simplicity and the end product never disappoints. I think most of our issues are fixable and like you said before, transplanting earlier, better attention to VPD, lights, etc. As far as pricing goes, $149.99 for 128 oz lasts us quite awhile even with a commercial grow like ours. Our plants normally eat just fine from the soil they get along with their first transplant for 2-3 weeks out of their veg cycle.

Happy Frog is not coco coir, its soil and peat with myco and some perlite. It never dries out. Imo they are simply overwatered, the soil needs to dry or the roots drown and “lockout”.

I agree, yet I have you telling me they are overwatered and him telling me to water more frequently. Can I have some clarification here?

"Fox Farms is great." - no one ever

What's bad about premixed soil?

Took a minute to check your profile Key, your August grow with fungus gnats and root aphids was overwatered too. Aquaman gave you good advice on proper watering then.

Yessir we've been through the grinder this past year. Learned a lot of lessons and trying not to make the same ones again this season. I'm going to re-read that article, thanks.

I really appreciate all of these responses so far, it's crazy how people can come together to help eachother and I just want to say thank you to everyone. I try to respond to every single post on my threads, if I missed yours just know I'll get to it as soon as I can. Happy Holidays and Happy New Year. Here's a few shots from this harvest.

MAIN EVENT (Madcap X Afghani)

PURPLE MIMOSA (Clementine X Purple Punch)

SOUR SHERBET (Sunset Sherbet X 7/8 Sour)

GORILLA BUTTER (Peanut Butter Breathe X GG4)

 

[Ponky]

I've never seen a anyone happy with Fox farms. Specifically.

 

[Madbud]

I've never seen a anyone happy with Fox farms. Specifically.

I’ve used hf and of as a base the last five years. Once i figured out how tricky it is to get the wet/dry cycle right, it’s not bad. Gifted a bag of Coast of Maine seed starter that i’m trying now, same as ff, mainly peat, some small perlite and mycorrhizae.

 

[Ponky]

I’ve used hf and of as a base the last five years. Once i figured out how tricky it is to get the wet/dry cycle right, it’s not bad. Gifted a bag of Coast of Maine seed starter that i’m trying now, same as ff, mainly peat, some small perlite and mycorrhizae.

I've only seen people pissed off about fox farms brand. And going back to ProMix. It has to work for someone. I've just never seen it. And I always see people having soil problems with it. I think I might try a black earth and earth worm casting combo and see if I can do a hardware store soil grow. For giggles. But yeah. Fox farms. For expert users only.

 

[KeytheCaregiver]

I’ve used hf and of as a base the last five years. Once i figured out how tricky it is to get the wet/dry cycle right, it’s not bad. Gifted a bag of Coast of Maine seed starter that i’m trying now, same as ff, mainly peat, some small perlite and mycorrhizae.

What do you do to avoid overwatering?

 

[Madbud]

What do you do to avoid overwatering?

I wait longer and water slowly to prevent dry pockets but mainly wait til the soil is dry, dry, dry. Dry wilt recovers in minutes, wet wilt takes days. Also use plenty of coarse perlite, 15-20% and cloth pots. Soil is easy if you let it be.

 

[ezenzyme]

Yes i run 70/70 in my indoors, but the VPDs are much easier under hps and t5 lights where the window is much larger but under LEDS the windows for proper VPDs are much smaller. Pull those lights way up or turn them way down, and taper them into full power.
Fix your issues? Transplant!!!!
With feeding you do need to bump them up constantly.
And pots that small with plants need twice daily watering probably feeds every other day and definatly stronger feeds, i would keep boosting the PPMs until you get a lil burn.
Watering is easy, you pick up the pots if your unsure and beyond that you watch the perk and turgor pressure of the plants, reading the plants in essential because there is no set amount of food or water that will work for every plant in every environment.
Also you do not need to water to run off constantly in organic soil like that your just flushing out all the foods..
one gal pots over a month old? your going to get signs of over watering beacuse the roots are so bound up they reject the water causing hydrophobic pockets within the pot causing tons more issues. Water sits and doesn't get absorbed making a thirsty plant look over watered.

 

[KeytheCaregiver]

I wait longer and water slowly to prevent dry pockets but mainly wait til the soil is dry, dry, dry. Dry wilt recovers in minutes, wet wilt takes days. Also use plenty of coarse perlite, 15-20% and cloth pots. Soil is easy if you let it be.

Yes i run 70/70 in my indoors, but the VPDs are much easier under hps and t5 lights where the window is much larger but under LEDS the windows for proper VPDs are much smaller. Pull those lights way up or turn them way down, and taper them into full power.
Fix your issues? Transplant!!!!
With feeding you do need to bump them up constantly.
And pots that small with plants need twice daily watering probably feeds every other day and definatly stronger feeds, i would keep boosting the PPMs until you get a lil burn.
Watering is easy, you pick up the pots if your unsure and beyond that you watch the perk and turgor pressure of the plants, reading the plants in essential because there is no set amount of food or water that will work for every plant in every environment.
Also you do not need to water to run off constantly in organic soil like that your just flushing out all the foods..
one gal pots over a month old? your going to get signs of over watering beacuse the roots are so bound up they reject the water causing hydrophobic pockets within the pot causing tons more issues. Water sits and doesn't get absorbed making a thirsty plant look over watered.

So I have one of you telling me wait for them to be dry, practically wilting. Then another telling me to water twice per day, and feed every other as well. Currently I have 75% of the plants staying wet with 1 watering per day, and 25% drying out to the point of wilting. Tough situation here.

 

[Madbud]

You have zero coco coir, the happy frog and rogue is around 75% peat moss and 25% perlite.

 

[elusiveshame]

So I have one of you telling me wait for them to be dry, practically wilting. Then another telling me to water twice per day, and feed every other as well. Currently I have 75% of the plants staying wet with 1 watering per day, and 25% drying out to the point of wilting. Tough situation here.

You're running soil, not coco.

You can do 1 of 2 things to easily help with watering:

1. Get a soil tester. It'll give you the ph, temp, and wetness of your soil
2. Lift the pot. If the pot feels heavy, leave it alone. If the pot feels super light, it's time to water.

Also, when watering, water slowly and as evenly as possible. Dumping a ton of water on will cause issues for oxygen and root growth. Water a decent amount, wait a few minutes for the water to absorb and make its way down, and repeat until run off. You don't want to water to run off immediately because you'll be wasting nutrients (if you treated the water), and chances are you're creating dry spots and dense spots and not getting an even watering. Use a garden sprayer if you're uncertain of your watering to help make things easier, albeit a bit slower.

 

[MICHGANDER9]

Back with yet another issue in my Veg room!

My plants have been green as grass up until week 2-3 of veg. At that time they have started to show leaf burn (almost like a Mg deficiency) and yellowing from the bottom half up.


We just fed these ladies at 1.2 ec with the Lotus Grow food with RO water this time around.
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We have been using well water which we think is to blame for these issues. We normally just flush with our RO filtered water but we’ve noticed a lot more green showing up.

Has anyone here experienced this same issue using well water or maybe even just tap water in general? Thanks!

How wet is your soil?

 

[2Bad]

So I have one of you telling me wait for them to be dry, practically wilting. Then another telling me to water twice per day, and feed every other as well. Currently I have 75% of the plants staying wet with 1 watering per day, and 25% drying out to the point of wilting. Tough situation here.

Lol no don't let it wilt..but if you let it dry out too far it will wilt. To not over water start learning the lift and water method.. you lift and if it feels weightless almost...then its time to water.

 

[MICHGANDER9]

Blu mat moisture meter is what I use I keep my soil between 120 to 150 oh shit forgot what the measurement is called but sustainable village has good moisture meters it's better to keep an even moisture than to let it fluctuate for the microbiology in the soil to wet it goes anerobic to dry and your workers die!

 

[Madbud]

I got this a couple years ago, just a gauge but it goes deeper than a knuckle.

 

[ezenzyme]

25% of your plants wilting over night? Canary in the coal mine bro, they be telling you whats up. You just gotta listen..... Watering based upon perk and turgor pressure will be second nature after lifting pots and thinking about them. You never want droop, you just water till perk and wait till they level out keeping them right in the good zone. If you wait until proper wilt to water your hurting your plants, the lack of water drys out your roots making them become woody and to even terminate fresh growth tips. in my experience you dont want your pots dry past the second knuckle of your finger. Also again watering to run off with OG soils is totally not needed, you just flush out all the nice food you spent good moneys on, might as well get pro mix and compost. Transplant, do not flush wait a week until they are rooted in or ten days then start nudging with food. Watch your PPMs and start boosting. Salt build up doesnt occur until you have used tons of salts, so just go ahead and not worry about it until your in flower and in big pots. But on the real veg is the easy part, just get some fish and some good organic soils and dont let it run outta the bottom!
The longer you wait to transplant the longer your going to be correcting and seeing residual issues from this.
Sounds like you got a lotta plants ya? Should pull out a few and run testers on it. Do some like i am sayin, water twice daily and feed every second day bump up your PPM and start with at least 150 over base and do some like outher folks saying, and for the love of weed give some a transplanting

 

[Topher_McNugz]

Might try some recharge to get some microbes moving. some nutes don't uptake at a higher 6.5 ph might dial it down a tad... I've had issues with lockout of calcium too because its an antagonist all every nute uses calcium to push it throughout the plant.

 

[KeytheCaregiver]

Lol no don't let it wilt..but if you let it dry out too far it will wilt. To not over water start learning the lift and water method.. you lift and if it feels weightless almost...then its time to water.

This is how I've watered for the past 6 months, I lift each plant and water if it's light, really light. I've developed a sense for it but after seeing these deficiencies it's very frustrating.

 

[KeytheCaregiver]

I got this a couple years ago, just a gauge but it goes deeper than a knuckle. View attachment 1318316

We use one of these and the lift method.

 

[KeytheCaregiver]

How wet is your soil?

The majority of the rootzone is roots due to them being in 1 gal pots for 30+ days now. We don't have the time to spare to transplant these as they are supposed to be throwaways at this point, just trying to learn all I can about what to do if these issues arise in the future.

 

[elusiveshame]

The majority of the rootzone is roots due to them being in 1 gal pots for 30+ days now. We don't have the time to spare to transplant these as they are supposed to be throwaways at this point, just trying to learn all I can about what to do if these issues arise in the future.

If you throw them away and don’t resolve the issues, how are you going to learn what the issues are if you don’t see positive results?