Dragons Flame Genetics - 2023 Breeder Log

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Well, its 2023, and I figured with my next cycle, Ill start a new thread as so much of my grow style is about to change. Probably some of the biggest indoor changes Ive done in a decade. Ive been doing soil...well a long time now. But at my current rental, the workflow with soil isn't working for me. So much mess, and lugging plants and heavy pots around is no longer something I want, as double hernia repair already happened.

So...My next chapter...

I've been gathering parts, but long story short, I will be setting up one of my 5x5 tents with a 4 site RDWC system. I'm going to plumb it myself, but for all intents and purposes, its a current culture setup. I am using their 13 gallon buckets, with a 13 gallon epicenter rez. My current run is still a month out from harvest, so Its still in the plotting and planning phases, but soon enough!

My general plan for this tent will be for pollination projects of my top 4 strains. With less space then I typically have had over the less 15 years to do my typical level of pheno hunting / breeding / crosses etc, Ive decided focus on my absolute best, and let others handle working with cookies and hype.

So, my first run I plan to have the 4 plants as:

Blackberry Moonshine Bx1
Blackberry Moonshine #12
Modified Macberry Moonshine
Haole Moonshine #13 or possibly the Chemdog 91 VA cut or my cherry pie x mac dragon, I haven't 110% decided on that last slot yet.

This first cycle in the current culture will be interest for sure, I plan to do a short veg, and flip, with the tent next to it housing which Blackberry Moonshine bx1 male(s) I select to seed the CC run.

Depending on how things go, I may convert the second tent over to RDWC as well, but will have to see how the maiden run goes.


Nute wize, Im pretty certain Im going to run the Vegaflora nutrient line, as several people Ive been inspired by use it and swear by its ph stability and with their RDWC they all said it takes very little ppms, and they dont get the bio film, algae growth, or any gunk building up in their system.

My paramount concerns with swapping over - I don't want to lug pots and hand water anymore. I want to be able easily keep the room, and tents, and work areas, pristinely clean, and I want to reduce mess and waste.

So anyway - Since no thread is complete with out some photos...
 
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Heres the Modified Macberry Moonshine cut - This was bred by me in collaboration with twotoneGenetics.

Selected by Cannaessentials, and has been tested at 4.2, 5.9 and 5.4% terps across 3 runs. Highly mildew and mold resistant here in Oregon, throws down like the gmo, but takes 9 weeks instead of 13. Terps are skunkier, more garlic, less Thai food and bo then the GMO. Shes been hitting the shelves in oregon with raving reviews, and her returns in the wash were high like most GMO offspring. Shes in my top 10 smokes personally. No frills, no color, just solid green bud that is highly terpene rich and packs the wallop that we expect from green bud.


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Blackberry Moonshine #12 - My longest running mother. I've been rocking with this gal almost as long as I've been with my wife. Tangerine Candy with skunky funky booze notes. Dank af, and resinous to the max. Breeding wize - she passes the skunk and tangerine notes heavily, as well as stellar resin content, and generally increases stretch, yield, and resistances to fungal pressure. In Hawaii she did have some Septoria issues if it was raging in the greenhouse, but even that - she was one of the last to show shows, and with ipm, you could keep it septoria free or atleast minimal septoria. Most mainland growers would never have to worry about that though, as thats mostly a tropical jungle pressure.

Indoors shes a solid 9 week line, outdoors she triggers fast in oregon, and is generally finishing up early october. In good years Id take her longer as obviously more time is better then less time imo.

She was also recently featured on the cover of the Grow Magazine.
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Blackberry Moonshine Bx1 - another fun collaboration between myself and two tone genetics. This is the daughter of the above blackberry moonshine #12 which was seeded by (Blackberry moonshine 12 x mac)

This cut was orginally selected by MischifMike, and then shared with me. She has a lot of the great traits I love about the BMS 12, but with some fundamental improvements. She yields better, has more color, has more bag appeal, and has a more standard nug shapes. Terp wize she has the Skunky notes, with some blackberry sour Febreze almost notes. Very complex to describe and doesn't really capture it. This cut is making waves in Oklahoma where its being heavily grown by carter creek cannabis. This cut Is in node labs tissue culture as well and is being licensed out for rec use. Shes exceptional smoke, with also being a growers dream. Very easy, not finicky at all, throws down with no fuss, doesn't mold or mildew unless things have drastically gone sideways. In Hawaii she showed more resistance then her mother line.


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And the Haole Moonshine #13 which is likely the one going into the 4th site...

Shes my newest selection of my most recent Haole Moonshine pheno hunt, and was chosen out of 50 seeds. She has skunky rancid oil fuel type terps, stellar density, narcotic heavy smoke, and stellar bag appeal. Easy to grow as well. This will be my first time using her with any males, so it will be very interesting to compare mother, daughter, granddaughter and a female selection from the father line (Haole moonshine is Blackberry moonshine bx1 x modified macberry moonshine male - since Im also going to have a female modified macberry moonshine) with the same male. If I go with these 4, they are all related, so it will be interesting to see in 1 tent, so many years of work, and how the lines compare in same environment and system.

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Got my popcorn ready for this one! 🍿

You are brave running 4 different strains on your first hydro grow!

I am currently building a 4 plant RDWC to expand what I have been doing. Going to run 4 clones from the same mother to simplify things. I think once I get this grow behind me I am going to try multiple strains. Will definitely take my grows to a new level when I master the art of the middle ground between plants that want more and plants that want less.

I am sure you are vastly more familiar with your strains than I am with the strains I grow/will grow so you will be much more prepared to pair them together with strains that play well together....something to consider anyhow.
 
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Got my popcorn ready for this one! 🍿

You are brave running 4 different strains on your first hydro grow!

I am currently building a 4 plant RDWC to expand what I have been doing. Going to run 4 clones from the same mother to simplify things. I think once I get this grow behind me I am going to try multiple strains. Will definitely take my grows to a new level when I master the art of the middle ground between plants that want more and plants that want less.

I am sure you are vastly more familiar with your strains than I am with the strains I grow/will grow so you will be much more prepared to pair them together with strains that play well together....something to consider anyhow.
yea I generally always run multiple strains, but I guess in this style of system that could be a problem as well...as they will want different foods...but hopefully not to bad. I have heard from everyone with these rdwc systems they want lower ppm then any other style, so im planning to go lighter and if one (prob the modified macberry moonshine) is hungry, then such is life. If it gives me to my trouble ill prob go down to one strain or something idk. will play it by ear
 
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Ya know, I had read at one point that different strains can have very different nutritional needs. TBH, I thought that was a bunch of malarkey. However, when I started hydro I saw it for myself. It's absolutely true.

Your Mac Dragon has pretty consistently wanted feedings on the light side of the GH recommendations, flowered pretty much at 600 ppm most of the way through. I think I hit her ceiling during veg at about 1000 ppm (likely the real ceiling was less than 1000 but that is where I noticed the leaf tip burn) but if I remember right she fed light most of the way through veg and then continued that trend through flower.

I recently started a new grow from clone of a strain called Mendel's Aether and wow, what a difference. It's always best to be conservative with the nutrients until you find out what the gal can take, so that is what I have been doing. 5 weeks in and slow increases in nute levels and I think I am finally in her zone at the aggressive nute level of 1200 ppms....and she still looks hungry! I think once I get more experienced this process will not take nearly as long.
 
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I think you will be fine, you have tons of experience growing, just a slightly different style. RDWC will be faster at reacting to change, and seems to me you have better control than soil, and definitely organic soil. I'm sure you can find a sweet spot.

Are you going sterile or live?
 
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yea I generally always run multiple strains, but I guess in this style of system that could be a problem as well...as they will want different foods...but hopefully not to bad. I have heard from everyone with these rdwc systems they want lower ppm then any other style, so im planning to go lighter and if one (prob the modified macberry moonshine) is hungry, then such is life. If it gives me to my trouble ill prob go down to one strain or something idk. will play it by ear
I reckon it will b more one strain stretching more than the other giving you an uneven canopy.I still get uneven running all the same lol..luckily I can lengthen or shorten the legs to suit.you might have to top or crop them Jeff..
 
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Ya know, I had read at one point that different strains can have very different nutritional needs. TBH, I thought that was a bunch of malarkey. However, when I started hydro I saw it for myself. It's absolutely true.

Your Mac Dragon has pretty consistently wanted feedings on the light side of the GH recommendations, flowered pretty much at 600 ppm most of the way through. I think I hit her ceiling during veg at about 1000 ppm (likely the real ceiling was less than 1000 but that is where I noticed the leaf tip burn) but if I remember right she fed light most of the way through veg and then continued that trend through flower.

I recently started a new grow from clone of a strain called Mendel's Aether and wow, what a difference. It's always best to be conservative with the nutrients until you find out what the gal can take, so that is what I have been doing. 5 weeks in and slow increases in nute levels and I think I am finally in her zone at the aggressive nute level of 1200 ppms....and she still looks hungry! I think once I get more experienced this process will not take nearly as long.
Yea definitely a learning curve, especially with something that reacts fast. I suspect Im going to be asking a lot of questions!
 
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I think you will be fine, you have tons of experience growing, just a slightly different style. RDWC will be faster at reacting to change, and seems to me you have better control than soil, and definitely organic soil. I'm sure you can find a sweet spot.

Are you going sterile or live?

Hmm to be honest I dont know if the vegaflora line would be considered a live or sterile line.

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I would say it's for a live system as they say to never use H2O2, but I also do not see any beneficial bacteria additives like hydroguard. It's a mystery to me.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth, personally, after my experience with AN, I would stay away from this. If I had listened to Moe back when I bought the AN, I would not have had any of the issues I had on my first grow trying to go bigger and better than GH.

Not saying these won't work, they might be stellar. I am just gun shy after my experience going through the same decisions you are now making.

All this reminded me of an experience when I was a child. My mom and aunt gave me and my cousin some $ to go to the store and buy a balsa wood airplane and go to the park and fly them. I remember my cousin got this plain looking glider, but I wanted all the bells and whistles, so I got the one with the rubber band wind up propeller, super cool right?. We went to the park and my cousin had this great time with this plane that would fly a loooong ways, do loop-de-loops, all the cool stuff! Mine was a POS and I had a terrible time because the thing just did not work. For whatever reason, that inner child in me still wants to rear it's ugly head, I did that when Moe recommendd GH (cool glider), but I just had to have the wind up propeller....same result, different decade, lol.

As a side note, that airplane I bought took all the money my mom gave me, I barely had enough. My cousin had money left over for candy. I do remember he shared his candy with me but not his glider, lol.
 
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I reckon it will b more one strain stretching more than the other giving you an uneven canopy.I still get uneven running all the same lol..luckily I can lengthen or shorten the legs to suit.you might have to top or crop them Jeff..

Yea I plan to use 3 layers of trellis thru the tent to train everything. The Modified macberry moonshine is going to be the one especially the challenge as Shes got the gmo style stretch.
 
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I would say it's for a live system as they say to never use H2O2, but I also do not see any beneficial bacteria additives like hydroguard. It's a mystery to me.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth, personally, after my experience with AN, I would stay away from this. If I had listened to Moe back when I bought the AN, I would not have had any of the issues I had on my first grow trying to go bigger and better than GH.

Not saying these won't work, they might be stellar. I am just gun shy after my experience going through the same decisions you are now making.

All this reminded me of an experience when I was a child. My mom and aunt gave me and my cousin some $ to go to the store and buy a balsa wood airplane and go to the park and fly them. I remember my cousin got this plain looking glider, but I wanted all the bells and whistles, so I got the one with the rubber band wind up propeller, super cool right?. We went to the park and my cousin had this great time with this plane that would fly a loooong ways, do loop-de-loops, all the cool stuff! Mine was a POS and I had a terrible time because the thing just did not work. For whatever reason, that inner child in me still wants to rear it's ugly head, I did that when Moe recommendd GH (cool glider), but I just had to have the wind up propeller....same result, different decade, lol.

As a side note, that airplane I bought took all the money my mom gave me, I barely had enough. My cousin had money left over for candy. I do remember he shared his candy with me but not his glider, lol.

Yea I feel ya 100%, my hang up - GH is all owned by Monsanto, and I try to avoid giving them money if I can. That and I've smoked several of my cuts grown with GH and I personally felt like they were missing the uniqueness / something was missing from the flower. could be it was just that example from the grower, or something in their system they did off or not perfect...And Im sure I may change my mind before I pull the trigger - still in the debating stages. I just keep going back to cannabjornson on IG, and love how his system / plants / vibe seems to be, and the vegaflora he swears by, says the ph is super stable. But I also know - what works for one person, and what will work for me, may not be the same thing. Many decisions to make for sure...
 
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Yea I feel ya 100%, my hang up - GH is all owned by Monsanto, and I try to avoid giving them money if I can. That and I've smoked several of my cuts grown with GH and I personally felt like they were missing the uniqueness / something was missing from the flower. could be it was just that example from the grower, or something in their system they did off or not perfect...And Im sure I may change my mind before I pull the trigger - still in the debating stages. I just keep going back to cannabjornson on IG, and love how his system / plants / vibe seems to be, and the vegaflora he swears by, says the ph is super stable. But I also know - what works for one person, and what will work for me, may not be the same thing. Many decisions to make for sure...
I'm using Jacks now and pretty damn happy. GH is just really easy, and you can predictably help folks.
 
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