Grow #4 - Amnesia Haze by BigBlonde

[BigBlonde]

Today is the 41st day of this grow. They've been in the Grow #3 log till now. These grew very slowly because of the poor soil I started them in. I'm not likely to use commercial starting soil again. Now they're finally growing well. They look like they're going to be excellent plants.

They're in one-gallon plastic pots. I'm using Gaia Green All Purpose in a 1:1 mix of FFOF and previously used FFHF soil, with perlite and rice hulls. Occasionally, I water them with Bloom City Clean Kelp. I had to nurture them carefully during their bad beginning and applying the Clean Kelp helped them make it. I gave them some yesterday and they sure seem to like it.

The RH was a little low, so I put them on a tray with water on it and that helped. The VPD currently is 1.05 kPa. The pots have saucers under them, so the pots are not drawing water from the tray.

They were in the 2x4 tent with the Black Jacks till yesterday. Now they're in the 28x28 inch tent under an XS2000 light. Before I moved them, I used the Photone phone app to set the light level in their new tent to the same level it was in their previous tent. The reading was 120 PPFD. I was surprised to see that this light is using 14 fewer watts than the other light for the same PPDF, and it is 9 inches farther away from the standard measuring point I used. The difference is probably because the other tent has big plants in it that absorb a lot of the light. Both lights are XS2000s, but I know from experience that they differ in the amount of light they produce, and they don't have the same driver model. It seems ViparSpectra changed their specifications mid model year. It's not a big deal. It's just interesting to me.

I'm not sure how much longer I'll keep these in the one-gallon pots. They have not been topped yet. It probably should happen soon. I'm thinking I'll need to keep them short if I keep them in this tent, but I'll also need to pay attention to their width. Maybe the Black Jacks in the bigger tent will finish in time to move them into that tent, but I doubt they will.

On the left side of the picture are the three sensors I'm using. Two of them are for the Ink Bird controllers. On is a Sensor Push sensor that reports temperature, humidity and VPD. (It reports dew point, as well, but that's not needed in a tent.) I'm thinking about putting one of these in my other tent so I can have a report for both tents in one application. Sensor Push provides both phone and browser apps, and I like that a lot. I wish Ink Bird and AC Infinity would do the same. Currently, however, Sensor Push is the only way I know to have this feature. Sensor Push also has alerts and the ability to calibrate their sensors.

Here's a snipped report from the Sensor Push app:

 

[BigBlonde]

I've made some decisions about these two plants. I'm going to try to grow them to harvest in this 28x28x63 tent. For a better fit, I'm going to use 5-gallon fabric pots. (I've used 7-gallon pots for my previous grows.) They're currently in 1-gallon pots. I'll up-pot them soon. I'm just waiting for a delivery of mycorrhizal to arrive next Wednesday.

For the moment, however, I'm wondering why the left plant is not doing as well as the right plant. I top dressed it with 1 tbsp Gaia Green All Purpose hoping it would help. The right one is ready for topping.

 

[biggerbud420]

hey by chance are these free seeds from barneys farm from when you got the gold seeds ?

 

[BigBlonde]

hey by chance are these free seeds from barneys farm from when you got the gold seeds ?

Nope. We bought these. We did get some extra seeds, though, and just earlier today I was just thinking about starting some for planting outside next month.

 

[biggerbud420]

ok

 

[jadins_journey]

Amnesia is some fine smoke, yes Sir fine smoke. Pain in the arse to trim but worth the effort. Nice plants!

jj

 

[BigBlonde]

Amnesia is some fine smoke, yes Sir fine smoke. Pain in the arse to trim but worth the effort. Nice plants!

Thanks! We're looking forward to this harvest.

 

[BigBlonde]

These two are going to be transplanted to 5-gallon pots today.

We finally found a store for buying most of the supplies we need. We came home yesterday with a 28-liter bag of earthworm castings. The instructions on the bag specify a 1:4 ratio for mixing the castings with soil. So, I'll soon be doing the final mixing of soil for the transplant. It's the most elaborate mix I've done so far and it's mostly following @Shaded_One's method.

The left plant (first picture) has been topped, while the smaller plant has not. I'm thinking about letting it grow without topping it. There isn't much room for two plants in this tent, especially if they grow wide. The smaller one has been growing slower from the beginning, so maybe it's a candidate for natural growth. It has been growing branches better than the big one.

The last two pictures show a probable calcium deficiency issue. The plan is to top dress with gypsum after they're transplanted. I'm thinking of putting the top dressing near the stems of the plants because that's where most of the roots will be so that's where it's needed most.

Here's how the girls look today:

They mostly appear to be healthy, but the lower leaves are showing signs of a calcium deficiency.

 

[Mikedin]

Are the upper leaves showing spotting as well? It does look like cal def, I’m using shaded’s method as well, as you know, this morning for top dress for flower I increased gypsum/epsom to 4tbs each for the 5gal and 3tbs each for the 3gal, I saw some lower leaves showing some minor spotting as well.

What is your full top dress mixture? Might need to increase your gypsum/epsom

For a 5 gallon bucket flip to flower I used
7tbs 4-4-4 (3gal. 6tbs)
7tbs 2-8-4. (3gal. 6tbs)
4tbs epsom. (3gal. 3tbs)
4tbs gypsum (3gal. 3tbs)
3tbs azomite (3gal 3 tbs)

Defenitly learned I’ll need to leave a bit more room next time at the top for top dressing the 3 gal is getting close to the top. I’m thinking if I’ll be top dressing, 5 gal pots will be my go to from now forward

 

[BigBlonde]

@Mikedin - I didn't begin either of the two grows I have in progress by using @Shaded_One's method. I've slowly adjusted to it as I understood it better. I sure appreciate you sharing your top dress mixture! I hadn't thought of adding it as a mixture. It took me a while to collect the various substances. I still don't have any Azomite. It's supposed to arrive next Monday. It will have to be top dressed.

Are the upper leaves showing spotting as well?

Not that I can see. So far, I'm only seeing it on the fan leaves of the lower two sets of leaves. The new growth looks okay. The calcium deficiency began shortly after I watered them with Epsom Salt. So, I'm thinking that may have somehow disturbed the nutrient balance. Today, I top dressed 1 tbsp per pot of gypsum after I transplanted them. I'll give that a week or so and then start top dressing more in accord with the method. I added 2 tbsp of 4-4-4 per gallon of the new soil for the transplant as well as earthworm castings in a 1:4 ratio with the soil mix.

Defenitly learned I’ll need to leave a bit more room next time at the top for top dressing the 3 gal is getting close to the top. I’m thinking if I’ll be top dressing, 5 gal pots will be my go to from now forward

I think I left enough room in the five-gallon pots.

Here they are after the transplant. They look good from this angle. They're a tight fit in the tent, but it'll work. I may move the heater or the humidifier to space the plants better. The new soil was already moist, so I only gave them about a quart of water each.

 

[2Bad]

@Mikedin - I didn't begin either of the two grows I have in progress by using @Shaded_One's method. I've slowly adjusted to it as I understood it better. I sure appreciate you sharing your top dress mixture! I hadn't thought of adding it as a mixture. It took me a while to collect the various substances. I still don't have any Azomite. It's supposed to arrive next Monday. It will have to be top dressed.


Not that I can see. So far, I'm only seeing it on the fan leaves of the lower two sets of leaves. The new growth looks okay. The calcium deficiency began shortly after I watered them with Epsom Salt. So, I'm thinking that may have somehow disturbed the nutrient balance. Today, I top dressed 1 tbsp per pot of gypsum after I transplanted them. I'll give that a week or so and then start top dressing more in accord with the method. I added 2 tbsp of 4-4-4 per gallon of the new soil for the transplant as well as earthworm castings in a 1:4 ratio with the soil mix.


I think I left enough room in the five-gallon pots.

Here they are after the transplant. They look good from this angle. They're a tight fit in the tent, but it'll work. I may move the heater or the humidifier to space the plants better. The new soil was already moist, so I only gave them about a quart of water each.

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Leave more room next time at least 4-5 inches. Because you should top dress and then put an inch or so of soil on top of the top dress. That keeps it from being hydrophobic.

 

[BigBlonde]

Leave more room next time at least 4-5 inches. Because you should top dress and then put an inch or so of soil on top of the top dress. That keeps it from being hydrophobic.

4 to 5 inches is a lot, considering the pot is only 10 inches high. The part about not being hydrophobic makes sense, but I just spray the top with plain water to make it hydrophilic. I've also been mixing the mixture with soil and then stirring it into the soil. That seems to work well.

 

[Mikedin]

Leave more room next time at least 4-5 inches. Because you should top dress and then put an inch or so of soil on top of the top dress. That keeps it from being hydrophobic.

Yep I run actual 5 gallon buckets, those I have about 3” left in the top open still, it’s the 3 gallon nursery pots I went a bit too high lol, also when I top dress the macros every 2 weeks (the azomite gypsum epsom) I top dress and just mix into the top inch of the soil, but when I feed with the Gaia I mix the Gaia with about 1 cup of soil then dump that in and then work that into the top inch as well, then use a sprayer to water it in stages to help draw it down a bit, I do know what you mean I started doing this after I top dressed one of the cement shoes without mixing it in the top was like cement the next day had to water it down and break it up and mix it in and that seemed to resolve the issue lol

@Mikedin - I didn't begin either of the two grows I have in progress by using @Shaded_One's method. I've slowly adjusted to it as I understood it better. I sure appreciate you sharing your top dress mixture! I hadn't thought of adding it as a mixture. It took me a while to collect the various substances. I still don't have any Azomite. It's supposed to arrive next Monday. It will have to be top dressed.


Not that I can see. So far, I'm only seeing it on the fan leaves of the lower two sets of leaves. The new growth looks okay. The calcium deficiency began shortly after I watered them with Epsom Salt. So, I'm thinking that may have somehow disturbed the nutrient balance. Today, I top dressed 1 tbsp per pot of gypsum after I transplanted them. I'll give that a week or so and then start top dressing more in accord with the method. I added 2 tbsp of 4-4-4 per gallon of the new soil for the transplant as well as earthworm castings in a 1:4 ratio with the soil mix.


I think I left enough room in the five-gallon pots.

Here they are after the transplant. They look good from this angle. They're a tight fit in the tent, but it'll work. I may move the heater or the humidifier to space the plants better. The new soil was already moist, so I only gave them about a quart of water each.

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yeah it’s possible that using the epsom before having enough cal available may have caused an imbalance, they look great now though after the transplant. Yeah I saw some of the classic rust spots showing up that’s what made me increase the epsom/gypsum ratio on this last feeding, I started feeding light as well but can tell the plants want more so I’ll gladly oblige haha just didn’t wanna start off in the wrong foot chasing tox’s etc lol I’d rather underfeed a bit and know I have to increase a bit next time

 

[BigBlonde]

I’d rather underfeed a bit

That's my thinking. It's safer. Adding nutrients is also easier than removing them.

 

[BigBlonde]

Today is the day after transplanting. So far, they have tolerated the transplant well. There's no sign of shock or stress. I'm thinking they're going to like this new soil. It's the first time I've used earthworm castings. I like how it mixed with the soil so well. I'm looking forward to seeing nice growth over the next few weeks.

I regret not taking pictures of the roots when I pulled them out of the one-gallon pots. To me, they looked like I picked an almost perfect time for transplanting. There were only a few roots growing up the sides of the pots and there were enough roots to hold the root ball together well.

Both plants:

The smaller plant that has not been topped:

The larger plant that was topped: