Aj's Sour Diesel

[Venom818]

So what's the genetic make up of the jj's sour d anybody.

 

[purekushkills]

Grew out some ECSD last round, that shit was amazing. Large chemmy skunky fuelly nugs with that slight lemon undertone...I really dont know that I could ask for more :D

The taste of the ECSD lingers with me till the roach is long gone...and the high is as uplifting as the best haze I have ever encountered. ECSD is definitely my favorite sativa out there...at least until I find a sativa dominant OG hybrid :D

Had some headband a week or so back, and having this diesel around really brings out the best in that cross. It does make me appreciate headband for it's OG knockout properties though.

So the cut that swerve used is just a healthier mother of ECSD??? Or is it like many of you have said, the grapefruity pheno? Sounds more like somas NYCD to me if its got any grapefruit undertones...

-PKK

 

[fractaLz]

So the cut that swerve used is just a healthier mother of ECSD??? Or is it like many of you have said, the grapefruity pheno? Sounds more like somas NYCD to me if its got any grapefruit undertones...

-PKK

The AJ (asshole joe) cut is THE original Sour D cut. All this ECSD name-taggin is just that, name taggin. I think Rez had something to do with it when he released his "ECSD" and the various versions 3, 2.5, etc. Some peoples ECSD could be the original cut, who knows.

It is NOTHING like Soma's NYCD, at least the phenos I cam across.... I'm running the AJ cut I got from Swerve and its the straight Sour D.
The AJ cut has been in my area for a decade, when a mother was originally purchased for 10K. It was held down and not given to many people at all. However, it ended up getting worn out in my area, primarily from poor mother maintenance and upkeep.
Swerve's cut is full of vigor, and yields very respectably for how old the cut is.

 

[purekushkills]

Good shit fractalz, thanks for making it clear! ECSD is the first name i heard someone give authentic Sour Diesel. Guess thats why I was stuck on thinking it was the original dope ass mother.

Glad swerve gets to use this closer genetic version to the real mother. After all those generations of cloning, I've definitely seen some worn out diesel cuttings.

Thank god we have people that keep those mothers close to the originals...those cuts...and their benefit to the medical community... are priceless.

-PKK

 

[JJ-NYC]

Some offspring have a stronger affy traits ,, some have more chemo traits ,, i have even seen the real chemo phenotype plants in it also , Sometimes i see plants with strong Hawaiian influences,, Some of the offspring have a growth like pattern to the ( DIESEL BUD STRUCTURE ) but the Limbs ,, leaves ,, Have that Hawaiian plant look to them ,,

Yes there's no way that the Mass SS is in the Sour Diesel. The Mass just doesn't have the stretch. My friend holds the DNL and the tropical Hawaiian influences are there, so is the stretch in the growth. The DNL is Hawaiian X RFK Skunk/NL. The lower branches of the DNL hermi if not pruned properly and it pollinated the 91 Chem Dawg. I've come to this conclusion over many years of growing the Chem Dawg, DNL, Mass SS, Sour Diesel and talking with the people who were originally involved with making the strains.

 

[HowardHunt]

It is not really a debate... Original Diesel has been called all these other names....except it has not been called ECSD...unless just completely confused.

Other strains that are more Sour and chemmy have also had the same names(headband,Daywrecker,)....Just different strains confused by the same names...

Not much to debate...More of just finding out what is what.

RC

Oh sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean a debate on the actual name of the strain itself but which of the two is preferred more these days.

Tons of people say Headband takes it.
Tons say ECSD.

I'm more in the Sour Diesel camp on this one.

 

[pimpin]

well enuf with the names can someone tell me if the one swerve is using actually a sour taste and potency #

 

[HowardHunt]

the term Sour in Sour Diesel actually doesn't even come from a flavor. It comes from people fighting over the cut, haha.

and yes. It does. It's amazing and you won't be let down. In terms of potency for sure.

 

[greenthumbdanny]

The AJ (asshole joe) cut is THE original Sour D cut. All this ECSD name-taggin is just that, name taggin. I think Rez had something to do with it when he released his "ECSD" and the various versions 3, 2.5, etc. Some peoples ECSD could be the original cut, who knows.

It is NOTHING like Soma's NYCD, at least the phenos I cam across.... I'm running the AJ cut I got from Swerve and its the straight Sour D.
The AJ cut has been in my area for a decade, when a mother was originally purchased for 10K. It was held down and not given to many people at all. However, it ended up getting worn out in my area, primarily from poor mother maintenance and upkeep.
Swerve's cut is full of vigor, and yields very respectably for how old the cut is.

Fracta do you have any pics of this chic:)
:passingjoint:

gtd

 

[ECO]

The AJ (asshole joe) cut is THE original Sour D cut. All this ECSD name-taggin is just that, name taggin. I think Rez had something to do with it when he released his "ECSD" and the various versions 3, 2.5, etc. Some peoples ECSD could be the original cut, who knows.

If ECSD is just name tagging then which ECSD was swerve referring to here in comparing to the AJ cut?

its nothing like ecsd imvho... this cut actually hits well and keeps a stone for some reason the ecsd doesnt keep its stone..to me at least.. but i have run what was called original diesel, i have run ecsd, i have run sour d, and then i have run this cut and let me say its nothing like the rest.. i have high hopes for this cross. and shit so much i have like 50 of them going

 

[sunsimulator]

Yes there's no way that the Mass SS is in the Sour Diesel. The Mass just doesn't have the stretch. My friend holds the DNL and the tropical Hawaiian influences are there, so is the stretch in the growth. The DNL is Hawaiian X RFK Skunk/NL. The lower branches of the DNL hermi if not pruned properly and it pollinated the 91 Chem Dawg. I've come to this conclusion over many years of growing the Chem Dawg, DNL, Mass SS, Sour Diesel and talking with the people who were originally involved with making the strains.

Right on JJ i feel ya on lower nanner kicking branches for sure seen it many times in the " ecsd Clone" which ever yall call the clone .. I always knew Hawaiian was in it ,, it is were the sour came from ,,I have smoked with some friends , They were in school in hawaii around the 70's and when they hit the ecsd ,, they were all knowing that flavor lol ,, they knew the sour flavors in weed already ,, said the Island weed they smoked back in the day was pretty much like it ,, not exactly but the say real close ,,

I got few of these cuts sitting around ..Need to get these tested in a lab , I am just too curious about these plant not to have a look at the DNA . like i said im not really big on the chems ,, but that fuggin ECSD clone i have fucking rocks ,,, i been working with it and i got it down to controllable size for indoor growing. Just summing changes when u x it to certain strains ,, they get these candy flavors ,, diesel will chems will also ,weird candy flavors in the offspring ,, so i know all about the candy smoke from the plants .


Thanks JJ for the shop talk , I would still like to talk about few more things in this gene pool if your willing .

 

[jah_hoover]

I got a sour diesel cut last year of sum well known source that you all know but i cant mention there names. They told me that this cut is the real sour diesel clone, ive done two runs on the SD now and took sum over to ojds for a smoke out and we both thought its one of the dankest stenchiest diesel we have smoke in awhile.

So sumone who is a sour diesel expert like e.g Swerve, can you please tell me which cut this is? and if its the real deal?

check my thread out

 

[Illmind]

Sour d I get out east is sour and diesel. So sour if u try to nose exhale your sneezing i've seen many funny times people coughing and sneezing same time man its sloppy. If u carry it anywhere or even a bowl u smoked it in u need odor control or all non smokers with 100 yards will be sneezing the rest look around suspicions like wtf is that amazing scent lol. Ya it def ain't hedhogs sd ibl or sd v1.257278842658. Was told by my old deadhed it's original sour d they sold at shows. Clippings smell too strong to pass off i've heard. Oh and to sunsim many afghanis i've grown have that weird candy smell like maybe i should lay off the molasses but that their natural funk mainly that and earthyness.

 

[fractaLz]

Fracta do you have any pics of this chic:)
:passingjoint:gtd

I'll snap some pics of her tonight

If ECSD is just name tagging then which ECSD was swerve referring to here in comparing to the AJ cut?

Swerve said it was the precursor to ECSD.... The only thing I know 100% is that the moniker "AJ" Sour D is used to distinguish the real deal cut. Ask any Dead or Phish family in the Northeast, as they were the only ones with it for a long time. They were the ones who got it rocking on tour and the delivery services.

Could ECSD that some people have be the true clone, sure. But thats not the name that the people who brought Sour D to the world use to distinguish it from all these other Sours out there.

Bottom line, Swerve has THE original Sour D cut. And I'm excited as a kid in a candy shop to see what comes out of his breeding projects with her.

 

[ECO]

thanks for clearing that up fractaLz! cant wait to see pics of this original :cool0044:

 

[CrackMan265]

Sour Diesel, thats available on the streets of NYC, is lemony diesel goodness. Similar to the descriptions I see of the various OG Kushes. ECSD has always been referred to online probably did start with rez. Who knows. What I'd LIKE to know is what Swerve is referring to when he says ECSD. He doesn't say. Only that AJ's cut is nothing like it. Swerve could you explain yourself when you see this please?

 

[fractaLz]

Here's some pics at day 55, I'll be taking her at 12 weeks.

Sorry for the lack of quality with the photos. I have a beaster digi cam

 

[DoubleDub]

jah hoover, ive never seen a sour diesel out here in cali that foxtails like that. but who knows the sour d ive grown and have been getting could be an illegit cut.

the sour d ive grown looks a lot more like fractalz.

Btw thanks for the pics man.
you got any more that are focused a bit better?

YO and fractlz does that AJ Sour D cut hermie?
My sour d cut always hermies.

 

[fractaLz]

Yea those pics are a bit embarrasing. I have some smaller ladies at 35 days, I'll go snap some pics of them, see if I can get a better pic.

This gal is def huge, unfortunately I got hit with a little PM this past week on the lower sections. But the tops don't have any so its all good:)

 

[HowardHunt]

I've seen Sour foxtail for sure.

and yes it may taste Sour but the story is what it is. It got it's name because Joe was an asshole about it.


and fractalz is 100% correct. Thank the Dead n Phish kids for this one and for many of the flavors that are currently dominating.