Plant permanently droopy regardless of watering schedule

[suckabusta]

So I'm aware that a droopy plant like this normally means over watering. This plant has been droopy from day 1. Currently at week 6. Strain is Humboldt seed co Blueberry muffins.

These photos were taken 24hrs after a watering. I waited til the soil was bone dry and saw the plant starting to wilt before watering. It doesn't pop up like the other 3 phenos. It does react to the watering, but always remains mostly droopy.

They're currently in 1 gallon pots (transplant soon) and each plant receives 1/4 of a gallon when the soil is fully dry.

Temps are around 68 at night and 75 during the day. Humidity from 55-60%. Light is a AC infinity Evo 6 set to 50% (250w) about 3ft from the canopy. Nutrients are all organic Gaia green amendments, using biobizz and mammoth p once weekly during watering.

The other plants are doing great with the same conditions. May be worth noting the droopy girl is also by far the tallest?

I'm hoping transplanting to a larger pot size will help?

 

[GNick55]

So I'm aware that a droopy plant like this normally means over watering. This plant has been droopy from day 1. Currently at week 6. Strain is Humboldt seed co Blueberry muffins.

These photos were taken 24hrs after a watering. I waited til the soil was bone dry and saw the plant starting to wilt before watering. It doesn't pop up like the other 3 phenos. It does react to the watering, but always remains mostly droopy.

They're currently in 1 gallon pots (transplant soon) and each plant receives 1/4 of a gallon when the soil is fully dry.

Temps are around 68 at night and 75 during the day. Humidity from 55-60%. Light is a AC infinity Evo 6 set to 50% (250w) about 3ft from the canopy. Nutrients are all organic Gaia green amendments, using biobizz and mammoth p once weekly during watering.

The other plants are doing great with the same conditions. May be worth noting the droopy girl is also by far the tallest?

I'm hoping transplanting to a larger pot size will help?View attachment 2066486View attachment 2066487

when it’s dry pull it out and see if it’s all roots..
needs a transplant also..
well your sure your watering correctly?..
also any itty bitty tiny flies flying/walking around soil surface?.

 

[Deadstill]

Overwatering​

Here is what I try to teach newer growers for proper watering techniques. When you go to water/feed your plants, make sure you saturate the entire pot. Generally folks look for about 10% runoff. This means you want 10% of what you put in, to come out the bottom. This means you've successfully saturated the soil in the pot and evenly and completely soaked it.

The important part, is making sure it dries out fairly well. This will happen a little faster in fabric pots as opposed to hard plastic pots, for example.

How do I know when it's dry enough or time to water again?

After watering and completely saturating your soil as mentioned above, pick up the pot. Heft it in your hands a few times. Get an idea of how heavy it feels. Use a scale if you really want to get technical. Do this once every day. Each day you will notice it gets a little lighter. When you go to pick up the pot and it feels super light (like 1/3rd or less of the weight when fully watered) you know it's time, or almost time, to water again.

Another tip is to stick your fingers down into the soil. Stick them in a few inches, down to the middle knuckle on your fingers or 2 or 3 inches deep, and feel for moisture. If you pull your fingers out and they're damp, give it a little more time. If you don't feel any moisture in there, it's time to water again.

The reason being for all of this is because these plants are highly susceptible to root rot and other pathogens in the soil. Stagnant water in the soil is a breeding ground for pathogens and bad bacteria. These plants really like a lot of oxygen in their root zone, and regular cycles of wet and dry help keep your roots healthy and happy.

In my years of experience and giving advice to people on how to grow, this is easily the most common thing people get wrong. So, don't worry so much about how much you're watering at one time. Worry about how often you are watering. Good luck!

 

[suckabusta]

when it’s dry pull it out and see if it’s all roots..
needs a transplant also..
well your sure your watering correctly?..
also any itty bitty tiny flies flying/walking around soil surface?.

Yeah once they're dried I'm gonna pull it and look..no insects I've seen so far.

Overwatering​

Here is what I try to teach newer growers for proper watering techniques. When you go to water/feed your plants, make sure you saturate the entire pot. Generally folks look for about 10% runoff. This means you want 10% of what you put in, to come out the bottom. This means you've successfully saturated the soil in the pot and evenly and completely soaked it.

The important part, is making sure it dries out fairly well. This will happen a little faster in fabric pots as opposed to hard plastic pots, for example.

How do I know when it's dry enough or time to water again?

After watering and completely saturating your soil as mentioned above, pick up the pot. Heft it in your hands a few times. Get an idea of how heavy it feels. Use a scale if you really want to get technical. Do this once every day. Each day you will notice it gets a little lighter. When you go to pick up the pot and it feels super light (like 1/3rd or less of the weight when fully watered) you know it's time, or almost time, to water again.

Another tip is to stick your fingers down into the soil. Stick them in a few inches, down to the middle knuckle on your fingers or 2 or 3 inches deep, and feel for moisture. If you pull your fingers out and they're damp, give it a little more time. If you don't feel any moisture in there, it's time to water again.

The reason being for all of this is because these plants are highly susceptible to root rot and other pathogens in the soil. Stagnant water in the soil is a breeding ground for pathogens and bad bacteria. These plants really like a lot of oxygen in their root zone, and regular cycles of wet and dry help keep your roots healthy and happy.

In my years of experience and giving advice to people on how to grow, this is easily the most common thing people get wrong. So, don't worry so much about how much you're watering at one time. Worry about how often you are watering. Good luck!

This is effectively what I'm doing. Only watering every 3 or 4 days once the soil is totally dry, watering til runoff with ph6.5 distilled water. As I said the other plants are great, it's just this one lanky one that will not perk up lol

 

[Deadstill]

Yeah once they're dried I'm gonna pull it and look..no insects I've seen so far.



This is effectively what I'm doing. Only watering every 3 or 4 days once the soil is totally dry, watering til runoff with ph6.5 distilled water. As I said the other plants are great, it's just this one lanky one that will not perk up lol

What kind of soil are ya using?

 

[suckabusta]

What kind of soil are ya using?

Promix all purpose amended with Gaia green worm castings and 444

 

[Deadstill]

Promix all purpose amended with Gaia green worm castings and 444

Have you checked the pH of runoff?

 

[suckabusta]

Have you checked the pH of runoff?

Never done that before. The other 3 plants are currently thriving in the exact same conditions. Also the plant looks green and healthy aside from the droop.

 

[GNick55]

Promix all purpose amended with Gaia green worm castings and 444

worm castings are not needed with that, the promix is fine on its own for a few weeks than amend with gaia is sufficient for veg.,
lots of nitrogen in your mix..
take pictures of your other plants

 

[GNick55]

Never done that before. The other 3 plants are currently thriving in the exact same conditions. Also the plant looks green and healthy aside from the droop.

ok it’s not green and healthy

 

[suckabusta]

worm castings are not needed with that, the promix is fine on its own for a few weeks than amend with gaia is sufficient for veg.,
lots of nitrogen in your mix..
take pictures of your other plants

Lights come on in 2 hours and I'll take pics of the whole tent

 

[suckabusta]

worm castings are not needed with that, the promix is fine on its own for a few weeks than amend with gaia is sufficient for veg.,
lots of nitrogen in your mix..
take pictures of your other plants

I was under the impression the amendments take a few weeks to break down and become available anyway.

I started them in the promix seed starter soil and then transplanted into the amended promix after about 2 weeks or so

 

[GNick55]

I was under the impression the amendments take a few weeks to break down and become available anyway.

I started them in the promix seed starter soil and then transplanted into the amended promix after about 2 weeks or so

ok sounds good..
best to have us take a look at the others as well..

 

[Grower1974]

If its growing fairly fast, I'm betting your soil has many dry pockets. That 1 gallon pot when fully saturated, should weigh about 8-9lbs with soil. Water it SLOW (4-6 sessions) with about 1/2 gallon over 7-10 min on your next next watering (or immediately if you choose), then wait 16-24hours. I bet you she perks right up.

 

[suckabusta]

If its growing fairly fast, I'm betting your soil has many dry pockets. That 1 gallon pot when fully saturated, should weigh about 8-9lbs with soil. Water it SLOW (4-6 sessions) with about 1/2 gallon over 7-10 min on your next next watering (or immediately if you choose), then wait 16-24hours. I bet you she perks right up.

I've noticed where the drain holes are are kind of devoid of soil. Could be an issue?

 

[Deadstill]

I've noticed where the drain holes are are kind of devoid of soil. Could be an issue?

I usually only see that happen when the soil isn't getting properly saturated. Essentially the soil should be nice and compact around the drain holes after a few proper saturations. Some loss due to movement/etc. is normal, but if the soil is falling out easily, it's probably not getting wet enough.

 

[Deadstill]

If its growing fairly fast, I'm betting your soil has many dry pockets. That 1 gallon pot when fully saturated, should weigh about 8-9lbs with soil. Water it SLOW (4-6 sessions) with about 1/2 gallon over 7-10 min on your next next watering (or immediately if you choose), then wait 16-24hours. I bet you she perks right up.

I have to say I agree with this, as well. I, too grow in ProMix (albeit ProMix HP) but I've noticed one thing about it, when it gets dry enough it actually becomes hydrophobic. So, if you're not watering very slowly, a lot of it ends up running out the bottom.

To solve this, I usually add about half of the water to the pot and let it sit for 5 or 10 minutes, then come back and slowly add the rest. You will notice the first bit of water you add starts running out the bottom quite quickly, and when you come back after waiting for 5 or 10 minutes to add the rest, it will absorb almost all of the water instead of it running out. If that makes sense? Sorry, trying to describe my process as best as I can

 

[suckabusta]

I have to say I agree with this, as well. I, too grow in ProMix (albeit ProMix HP) but I've noticed one thing about it, when it gets dry enough it actually becomes hydrophobic. So, if you're not watering very slowly, a lot of it ends up running out the bottom.

To solve this, I usually add about half of the water to the pot and let it sit for 5 or 10 minutes, then come back and slowly add the rest. You will notice the first bit of water you add starts running out the bottom quite quickly, and when you come back after waiting for 5 or 10 minutes to add the rest, it will absorb almost all of the water instead of it running out. If that makes sense? Sorry, trying to describe my process as best as I can

I get what you mean. I use a pump sprayer to soak each pot. I don't just dump the water in all at once lol. I go slowly around the whole tent slowly until each pot starts to runoff a little. I pick the pot up to make sure it's properly heavy etc...

 

[Deadstill]

I get what you mean. I use a pump sprayer to soak each pot. I don't just dump the water in all at once lol. I go slowly around the whole tent slowly until each pot starts to runoff a little. I pick the pot up to make sure it's properly heavy etc...

Yeah I would say, let's check the pH on the runoff on each plant, separately, and compare. I'm leaning towards there might be some root zone issues with this one plant. And the pics of the rest of the plants when ya can.

 

[suckabusta]

Yeah I would say, let's check the pH on the runoff on each plant, separately, and compare. I'm leaning towards there might be some root zone issues with this one plant. And the pics of the rest of the plants when ya can.

I'm also betting it's root related, just trying to figure out what exactly now.