Too much calcium or too little manganese...?

[HomegrownOhighO]

Well, I'm starting to think I may have fucked up on the dosage of the Gaia Green Bloom. If I'm correct, which I think I am, that would be a lot of extra calcium because the Gaia has a fair amount of calcium. The smell of the Gaia is strong too, well after 2 weeks, when I smell directly at the bud sites all I smell is Gaia. I also watered yesterday and it sort of brought the smell back as it did dissipate some since the initial application. However, I did sort of lightly pinch a bud yesterday to feel density and my fingers smelt like straight fire!!! She is on day 38 of flower and I'm wondering if the best thing may be a flush? I have no clue since she's so deep into flower. This issue also looks very similar to a manganese deficiency as well. What do you all think?

 

[BryanOconner]

tell us what your feeding ? Are you following the feeding label ? Your water ph ?
Something is way off more then a calmag issue .
Top of plant is yellow only ? Well nutrietn issues start from the bottom .
Light burn . Did you spray anything on them ? I want to see some middle to bottom pics .

 

[StalkerAF]

tell us what your feeding ? Are you following the feeding label ? Your water ph ?
Something is way off more then a calmag issue .
Top of plant is yellow only ? Well nutrietn issues start from the bottom .
Light burn . Did you spray anything on them ? I want to see some middle to bottom pics .

Same questions Bryan asked and my second to last grow did this.

I decided to really start watching my water ph levels and started using slf 100 which used enzymes to help breakdown the natural salts that build up from all the nutrients we feed them. At least that my basic understanding about that. So far it seems like that was a good move for my plants.

I grow organic soil and top dress with amendments by the way.

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

tell us what your feeding ? Are you following the feeding label ? Your water ph ?
Something is way off more then a calmag issue .
Top of plant is yellow only ? Well nutrietn issues start from the bottom .
Light burn . Did you spray anything on them ? I want to see some middle to bottom pics .

So far I've only used a compost tea and the Gaia Green Bloom. My compost is worm castings, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, seabird guano, black strap molasses. Gaia says 1 tbsp per gallon, I seen someone do 2 tbsp per gallon and that's what I stupidly did. So she got 6 tbsp of gaia, it's a 5 gallon pot but closer to 3 gallons. I should have done half that. The compost has been every other watering, which right now is a gallon a week. I tested my runoff pH last week and it came in at 6. I did not spray them with anything. The curling upward of the leaves just started in the last day or so.

 

[StalkerAF]

tell us what your feeding ? Are you following the feeding label ? Your water ph ?
Something is way off more then a calmag issue .
Top of plant is yellow only ? Well nutrietn issues start from the bottom .
Light burn . Did you spray anything on them ? I want to see some middle t

Same questions Bryan asked and my second to last grow did this.

I decided to really start watching my water ph levels and started using slf 100 which used enzymes to help

So far I've only used a compost tea and the Gaia Green Bloom. My compost is worm castings, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, seabird guano, black strap molasses. Gaia says 1 tbsp per gallon, I seen someone do 2 tbsp per gallon and that's what I stupidly did. So she got 6 tbsp of gaia, it's a 5 gallon pot but closer to 3 gallons. I should have done half that. The compost has been every other watering, which right now is a gallon a week. I tested my runoff pH last week and it came in at 6. I did not spray them with anything. The curling upward of the leaves just started in the last day or so.

Feeding is tricky and I definitely don’t have it down. What I did this go around is feed half or 1/3 of what’s recommended, goal is just feed the plant just enough and over do it. If my directions say 1tsp per gallon I have been doing 4-5 tsp in a 7gal container. I would recommend quickly picking up some slf 100 to start with and I would not suggest drowning your plant but watering until you begin to see a few drops trickle at the bottom.

Your ph seems good and don’t think I would add anything unless someone else with more knowledge suggests so.

The leaf curling reminds me of to much lift. Any idea what you PAR is or what your light height is?

What is your watering schedule during flowering? Sounds like you’re at least half way through flowering and guessing you have another 4 weeks or so to go?

If that many weeks are left, you will still need nutrients for the plant to grow nice buds. I stop feeding 2-3 weeks out when I feel the plant is almost done and let the plant suck the nutrients from the green leaves. This is why I suggested to not overwater and fully flush but to use the slf100 instead with nothing else.

Growing organic is not the easiest because of the delayed nutrient timing. Seems slight better to underfeed vs over feeding.

 

[Bilber]

Manganese........ph......I over adjusted my nutes, not organic nor soil.....peat/perlite......but looking into it, I'm not concerned with it as I'll lower my bloom a touch......soil and amendments take a little bit to show whether it's corrected.....those leaves will never heal, but I leaf um on till they look bad.....

 

[StalkerAF]

Manganese........ph......I over adjusted my nutes, not organic nor soil.....peat/perlite......but looking into it, I'm not concerned with it as I'll lower my bloom a touch......soil and amendments take a little bit to show whether it's corrected.....those leaves will never heal, but I leaf um on till they look bad.....

Agreed. The leaves might as well be cut off because they will not recover. You will need to inspect top growth that’s not affected.

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

Same questions Bryan asked and my second to last grow did this.

I decided to really start watching my water ph levels and started using slf 100 which used enzymes to help

Feeding is tricky and I definitely don’t have it down. What I did this go around is feed half or 1/3 of what’s recommended, goal is just feed the plant just enough and over do it. If my directions say 1tsp per gallon I have been doing 4-5 tsp in a 7gal container. I would recommend quickly picking up some slf 100 to start with and I would not suggest drowning your plant but watering until you begin to see a few drops trickle at the bottom.

Your ph seems good and don’t think I would add anything unless someone else with more knowledge suggests so.

The leaf curling reminds me of to much lift. Any idea what you PAR is or what your light height is?

What is your watering schedule during flowering? Sounds like you’re at least half way through flowering and guessing you have another 4 weeks or so to go?

If that many weeks are left, you will still need nutrients for the plant to grow nice buds. I stop feeding 2-3 weeks out when I feel the plant is almost done and let the plant suck the nutrients from the green leaves. This is why I suggested to not overwater and fully flush but to use the slf100 instead with nothing else.

Growing organic is not the easiest because of the delayed nutrient timing. Seems slight better to underfeed vs over feeding.

My PAR I just adjusted the other day to about 600 at 26" height and 69% intensity but I have since turned it down to 55% because it was getting so hot in the tent and hard to keep the vpd between 1-1.5kPa with the humidity at 50%.

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

Manganese........ph......I over adjusted my nutes, not organic nor soil.....peat/perlite......but looking into it, I'm not concerned with it as I'll lower my bloom a touch......soil and amendments take a little bit to show whether it's corrected.....those leaves will never heal, but I leaf um on till they look bad.....

It's looking pretty bad now lol, the pictures make it look not as bad but it is.

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

Agreed. The leaves might as well be cut off because they will not recover. You will need to inspect top growth that’s not affected.

So, just cut all affected leaves, that would definitely help aesthetics.

 

[StalkerAF]

Your light height and par sound good to me. Obviously you never want to cut leaves off during the later flower time but your plant will continue trying to fix them when it can’t. Maybe take a few leaves daily and not one big leaf cut so the plant has time to recover. Not ideal but is what it is.

What is your watering routine during flower?

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

I use 3 tablespoons of Gaia Green Big Bloom per gallon. I also add a tablespoon each of Epsom salt, gypsum and Azomite. So, I'm not sure this is an overdose. That depends on what's already in the soil and any other added amendments. Mixing the Gaia Green and other amendments with soil will reduce the odor. I put it all in a quart jar and shake well.

It does look like a manganese issue. I've never seen one, but it does resemble what I've seen in pictures. Manganese is antagonistic with calcium, so that could be a factor. Excessive calcium will inhibit the uptake of manganese (as well as potassium, iron and magnesium). It might be possible to antagonize the calcium with magnesium (in the form of Epsom salt so all that's added is the Mg).

What is your watering routine during flower?

Good question.

 

[climbit]

All the extra meals/amendments ( kelp meal, alfalfa meal, seabird guano) you added to the compost tea is what concerns me. The Gia greens bloom should be enough. I’m late to the show and just glancing and don’t want to lay blame to this or that. From what I’ve read too much of one macro, be it (p) or (k) can hinder the absorption of other micro nutrients. Just my 2 cents.

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

All the extra meals/amendments ( kelp meal, alfalfa meal, seabird guano) you added to the compost tea is what concerns me. The Gia greens bloom should be enough. I’m late to the show and just glancing and don’t want to lay blame to this or that. From what I’ve read too much of one macro, be it (p) or (k) can hinder the absorption of other micro nutrients. Just my 2 cents.

Honestly, I'm thinking that's what has happened. I also just realized the silica I added also contained calcium so I definitely screwed up. The calcium from the over feeding of Gaia and the calcium in the mono silica acid might have over done it. What do I do now though is the question?

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

Your light height and par sound good to me. Obviously you never want to cut leaves off during the later flower time but your plant will continue trying to fix them when it can’t. Maybe take a few leaves daily and not one big leaf cut so the plant has time to recover. Not ideal but is what it is.

What is your watering routine during flower?

I have been watering a gallon once a week.

 

[climbit]

Honestly, I'm thinking that's what has happened. I also just realized the silica I added also contained calcium so I definitely screwed up. The calcium from the over feeding of Gaia and the calcium in the mono silica acid might have over done it. What do I do now though is the question?

I’m not sure what viable / possible next step you should take. If it were me I would let it ride out, just water the rest of the run. You learned a lot this run, not to be condescending. Start with less. You can always add but you can’t take away.

 

[cannafarmer420]

All the extra meals/amendments ( kelp meal, alfalfa meal, seabird guano) you added to the compost tea is what concerns me. The Gia greens bloom should be enough. I’m late to the show and just glancing and don’t want to lay blame to this or that. From what I’ve read too much of one macro, be it (p) or (k) can hinder the absorption of other micro nutrients. Just my 2 cents.

Probably cooked it. Gotta ppm a compost tea and if you have gaia that frequency seems too often to me. It's wayyyy more complex but you have the right idea climbit, ph and levels of other nutes all affect absorption

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

Probably cooked it. Gotta ppm a compost tea and if you have gaia that frequency seems too often to me. It's wayyyy more complex but you have the right idea climbit, ph and levels of other nutes all affect absorption

So what do I do now to salvage some sort of harvest? I know the bud potency is probably fucked but what do I know?

 

[cannafarmer420]

So what do I do now to salvage some sort of harvest? I know the bud potency is probably fucked but what do I know?

I would water only and see how things react, don't tear off leaves or anything when it's already stressed. Hopefully it will start to Balance things out. Take it a day at a time, take notes and see if the h20 only helps then you are on the right track. Maybe next run buy recharge instead of a tea so it's a no nutrient, microbe only tea. Don't get down on yourself, we have all hurt our plants. Hang in there

 

[HomegrownOhighO]

I would water only and see how things react, don't tear off leaves or anything when it's already stressed. Hopefully it will start to Balance things out. Take it a day at a time, take notes and see if the h20 only helps then you are on the right track. Maybe next run buy recharge instead of a tea so it's a no nutrient, microbe only tea. Don't get down on yourself, we have all hurt our plants. Hang in there

I was trying to do this organically, so I started with hp promix and Cali super soil concentrate for autos but started noticing deficiencies during veg and that's when I was introduced to the compost tea. At first it was great and she started to bounce back with the first tea but about two weeks after the first dose of Gaia, I noticed something was off. I'm going to let it keep going but for my next run I'm strictly doing photos, screw autos for now until I become more experienced with feeding, watering, and amendments. So for now it'll just be water. I actually thought about doing a half gallon on say Wednesday and a half gallon on Sundays instead of the whole gallon at a time.