Got a weird wilt i haven't seen before.

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So i gave a friend a plant to grow. She called me today worried about a wilt problem. Had me send her pics, what she was describing was odd.


It's exactly what she was describing. She says these branches actually get less direct sun then the others too.


All the leaves on all the branching shoots coming from one main branch are wilting in the sun really bad. But the rest of the plant stands proud. The wilted leaves stood back up once out of the sun yesterday she said. Said so far it's a lot worse today. But rest of plant still looks perfect.


Anyone seen this before? i've grown for a while. All i could tell her was idk, thats pretty weird. And that ill ask internet-land for her. So she's pretty panic-mode now lol.



She's using miracle grow (yes i know, i've told her too, is an older lady who has always used it for everything, we're barking up a tree i promise) And i have told her she needs to clear a little more space, especially the morning glories, but she doesnt want to pull anything that makes nice flowers. Im just curious about the weird wilt.

 

[PollenCharlie]

What kind of plants are along the hedge row there? Is there black walnut trees or any other phytotoxic plants around?

Could be lots of things but shouldn't be too hard to narrow down. Other options are, nutrients of course, creatures have burrowed up into the stalks of those branches, russet mites, etc.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

What kind of plants are along the hedge row there? Is there black walnut trees or any other phytotoxic plants around?

Could be lots of things but shouldn't be too hard to narrow down. Other options are, nutrients of course, creatures have burrowed up into the stalks of those branches, russet mites, etc.

I never even thought about that.


Just gave her a call, and yea, there's been a young black walnut tree growing through the chain link by the plant. It was getting big enough to block light, so she cut all of its branches off about a week ago. and has been cutting off the new shoots that try to grow. It's about 3 feet from her plant.


She says cant remove the stump or anything like that without removing the chain link. its growing in and out of it.



I was aware black walnuts were toxic to some plants, i was not aware they would be to cannabis.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So, if you had a plant, that had already been in ground for over a month, and it was planted 3 feet from a small walnut tree that i nos poisoning your plant. And the walnut stump had grown weaving back and forth through a chain link fence and is impossible to remove, and your plants i s already tangled up with the roots anyway. What would you do?

Im pretty sure that tree is going to kill her plant, it already hasnt really grown any in over a week, now that entire section of the plant is wilting and yellowing off. Im assuming its being poisoned directly by the roots of the black walnut tree. Even if she could take it to harvest, the plant isnt going to make flower anyone should be consuming regardless.

Awaiting today's photo, but much like yesterday im expecting it to be good bit worse then the day before.

I feel really bad, i forgot about juglone in the black walnuts, i havent lived down here in several years. Is her first time growing anything outside a usual vegge garden, and its her favorite strain ive ever had to grow. (pre 2010 bubba kush x gelato 41)

Im the one who said that spot should be fine too. And it was for over a month. Didnt think about the roots becoming toxic if she started cutting on that tree. I already knew black walnuts were toxic and why. I Feel terrible now.

 

[TreeBee]

So, if you had a plant, that had already been in ground for over a month, and it was planted 3 feet from a small walnut tree that i nos poisoning your plant. And the walnut stump had grown weaving back and forth through a chain link fence and is impossible to remove, and your plants i s already tangled up with the roots anyway. What would you do?

Im pretty sure that tree is going to kill her plant, it already hasnt really grown any in over a week, now that entire section of the plant is wilting and yellowing off. Im assuming its being poisoned directly by the roots of the black walnut tree. Even if she could take it to harvest, the plant isnt going to make flower anyone should be consuming regardless.

Awaiting today's photo, but much like yesterday im expecting it to be good bit worse then the day before.

I feel really bad, i forgot about juglone in the black walnuts, i havent lived down here in several years. Is her first time growing anything outside a usual vegge garden, and its her favorite strain ive ever had to grow. (pre 2010 bubba kush x gelato 41)

Im the one who said that spot should be fine too. Feel terrible now.

I would go there and attempt to move it. Dig deep and as wide as you can around the plant and if you feel like its not going well just take some big clones and try and root them for her?

 

[TreeBee]

So, if you had a plant, that had already been in ground for over a month, and it was planted 3 feet from a small walnut tree that i nos poisoning your plant. And the walnut stump had grown weaving back and forth through a chain link fence and is impossible to remove, and your plants i s already tangled up with the roots anyway. What would you do?

Im pretty sure that tree is going to kill her plant, it already hasnt really grown any in over a week, now that entire section of the plant is wilting and yellowing off. Im assuming its being poisoned directly by the roots of the black walnut tree. Even if she could take it to harvest, the plant isnt going to make flower anyone should be consuming regardless.

Awaiting today's photo, but much like yesterday im expecting it to be good bit worse then the day before.

I feel really bad, i forgot about juglone in the black walnuts, i havent lived down here in several years. Is her first time growing anything outside a usual vegge garden, and its her favorite strain ive ever had to grow. (pre 2010 bubba kush x gelato 41)

Im the one who said that spot should be fine too. And it was for over a month. Didnt think about the roots becoming toxic if she started cutting on that tree. I already knew black walnuts were toxic and why. I Feel terrible now.

Or maybe just take clones and leave it where it is to make it or not?

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I would go there and attempt to move it. Dig deep and as wide as you can around the plant and if you feel like its not going well just take some big clones and try and root them for her?

she tried last night, the roots are fully intermingled with the walnut. Was a tree with a stump a few inches thick and the plant was put only a few feet from it.

Ill be going over there after work to see what i can do. She doesnt have another equally secluded spot to use, she lives in a neighborhood, if it moves its coming home with me to be nursed a bit. If some of the walnut roots come with it, itll probably be broken down into clones, treated heavily for pests and rooted and kept inside. Its the only regular/expected pheno of my bubba x gelato that's left existing now

 

[TreeBee]

she tried last night, the roots are fully intermingled with the walnut. Was a tree with a stump a few inches thick and the plant was put only a few feet from it.

Ill be going over there after work to see what i can do. She doesnt have another equally secluded spot to use, she lives in a neighborhood, if it moves its coming home with me to be nursed a bit. If some of the walnut roots come with it, itll probably be broken down into clones, treated heavily for pests and rooted and kept inside. Its the only regular pheno of my bubba x gelato that's left existing now

Well if thats the case I would take.it home too. Can always bring her a bag later or a new clone. Not sure of the season length where you are though. Seasons just getting started here really.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Well if thats the case I would take.it home too. Can always bring her a bag later or a new clone. Not sure of the season length where you are though. Seasons just getting started here really.

you can plant in April her eusually just fine. Youll usually only see a night or two from then on in the 40s.


First frost is usually late october/early november. Can be as early is mid october, but thats rare. Biggs is a mid october strain back in KC. She'll def be getting a clone back, so long as its out by july she should see a harvest it may just be small and a little late, but itll have time to finish.

 

[TreeBee]

you can plant in April her eusually just fine. Youll usually only see a night or two from then on in the 40s.


First frost is usually late october/early november. Biggs is a mid october strain. She'll def be getting a clone back, so long as its out by july she should see a harvest it may just be small and a little late, but itll have time to finish.

It was 43° here last night.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

It was 43° here last night.

it got super cold for June here last night, made it down to 63 lol.

 

[TreeBee]

it got super cold for June here last night, made it down to 63 lol.

Our june has been rainy but the temps are fairly on point. June is when everyone tends to put out tomato plants and other warm season crops. Similar first frost as you though mid to late october usually. Last frost is end of April.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Our june has been rainy but the temps are fairly on point. June is when everyone tends to put out tomato plants and other warm season crops. Similar first frost as you though mid to late october usually. Last frost is end of April.

our last frost is usually late march/early april. But by the end of april, usually things like tomoatos and squah/nuchinni are going down.

Ive already harvested a few dozen cucumbers, have hundreds coming, and there's about 50 zuchinni between the 3 plants growing. My tomatos are just getting going good, but i coulda put them out a couple months ago and already have loaded bushes, i just started them from seed too so took a bit longer. I do already have a small basket of tomatos and will be picking some peppers this weekend lol. the eggplant arent too far behind but theyre def slower then the rest. Just now making flowers. The beans are already fruiting heavily lol. Grow season comes early here.

 

[TreeBee]

our last frost is usually late march/early april. But by the end of april, usually things like tomoatos and squah/nuchinni are going down.

Ive already harvested a few dozen cucumbers, have hundreds coming, and there's about 50 zuchinni between the 3 plants growing. My tomatos are just getting going good, but i coulda put them out a couple months ago and already have loaded bushes, i just started them from seed too so took a bit longer. I do already have a small basket of tomatos and will be picking some peppers this weekend lol. the eggplant arent too far behind but theyre def slower then the rest. Just now making flowers. The beans are already fruiting heavily lol.

Wow not here. You have to work extra hard to get tomatoes by July here unless you have a greenhouse. I have extremely limited space so I don't start early as I would like and I really didn't put as much into the garden this year as last effort wise. I probably wont have tomatoes until early August. I noticed some peas are nearly ready this morning though.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Wow not here. You have to work extra hard to get tomatoes by July here unless you have a greenhouse. I have extremely limited space so I don't start early as I would like and I really didn't put as much into the garden this year as last effort wise. I probably wont have tomatoes until early August. I noticed some peas are nearly ready this morning though.

Yea, had i planted my romas when i plantd the zuchini and cucumber, id have 5 foot bushes loaded by now lmao.


My zuchini leaves are sitting about 3 foot off the ground, and single leaves are well over a foot across. Flowers nearly as big as my face. My little pickling cucumbers are harvesting about a foot long 0.o. idk if i should expect leg size zuchini or not, but looks that way.


Spring bugs be damned, i think im gonna like doing the plant thing here personally.


I feel horrible about her Biggs :/

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Ok, so i neither dug the plant up, nor did i take clones.

The wilt isnt as bad today, but there's a little more yellowing off then i could see in her pics. The state of the plant in person actually didnt strike me as nearly as big an emergency as it seemed

Ive taken a shot of the area around the plant. As well as the mutilated black walnut tree, and it's definitely real pissed off. I can smell it from several feet away. I hate black walnut smell, its like rancid body odor.

Ok, yesterday after i talked to her, her husband went out and took a 16" long narrow spade shovel, and stabbed it in a line through the ground between the plant and the walnut tree. He severed several roots. She said the plant almost seemed like it was perking up within an hour or two, and today looks a lot better. I wouldnt have advised that personally, idk if stress increases juglone production. But the wilt is improved now a bit.

I took more detailed pics of the yellowing and the wilt, but i agree that the wilt at least, isnt as bad today and is likely walnut related. The yellowing i think is unrelated N deficiency honestly, shes been giving the plant nothing but all purpose miracle grow, but indoor potted plant measurments. And its affecting lower growth across the entire plant. So not much of anything at all for an in-ground plant. Told her to feed the plant heavier. The spot has been left to weed over heavily multiple years in a row. Probably pretty stripped of N.

Im going to come back tomorrow with an oscillating saw, and a saws-all, and im going to cut the walnut out of the fence for her. Im going to dig the base of the walnut out, and tear it out of the ground. If the roots freak out and go into Juglone hyper-drive, then ill pull out some more desperate measures like breaking the plant into clones or something. But the root severing seemed to help, so hoping just tearing it right the ground out is a good call. She wants me to put quick-crete on the hole it makes , idk if ill go that overboard.


The yellowing is on even unaffected by wilt growth, i think the plants hungry. And i think more of the issue was aeresol related juglone from mutilating the tree repeatedly, then from the roots tbh. Or the wilt would affect the entire plant not just the growth closest to the tree. She may have even got some of the walnuts sap on the plant or something who knows. But yea, in person the plant just seems hungry, and like it didnt like her repeatedly damaging the walnut tree.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Ok so today i didnt even bother taking pics.

Her husband severing the roots between the two plants with the spade was a great call, im about to cut the trunk out of the fence and tear th rest of the roots out.


Plant is fine today, zero wilting, aand yea, the yellowing is just N deficiency, she showed me how shes mixing. Shes only giving about 800ppm all purpose miracle grow every 4th watering. Plant is hungry, plant is small for its age. Gonna turn around fast. My miracle grow rantings scared her so she was feeding way over cautiously. But its not that anything is wrong with the feed, its just that in purchasing it, your dollars go to what's left of Monsanto. MG as a product works fine tbh.


I gave her a bottle of flora micro and a gallon of kelp too. She should be smooth sailing from here i think. At least until the fall rains come. The usual biggs pheno is not an outdoor plant, whatsoever, and we do live in TN.

Will probably take a clone home with me anyway, just because i want this biggs pheno.