I seem to be having issues with white tips and darkening leaves.

[WickedMichelle]

You gunna get some sticky for sure. Youre putting in effort!

I did move the fan outside of the tent to get more height. I may have to make a minor adjustment to the way the lights are hung, but that can wait for another day. It's really hard on my back trying to maneuver inside the tent with everything in there.

I am 27" from the tallest plant atm. I will see how the 100% power works with flower mode. (recommended by tent manufacturer). They will start at 10:30 tonight. So, Sunday, 7/21/24 at 10:30 PM starts week one (note to self... LOL).

Temp good so far, 79 degrees F, humidity sucks at 63%. UG. I have an intake hose taped to an AC unit blowing cold/dry air into the tent.

 

[Newty]

I have gotten this far listening to the advice given to me here.
I have constantly been listening to the advice given here.
I have almost killed my seedlings listening to the advice given here, I have saved my seedlings from the advice given here.
Maybe I do not follow the correct advice all the time, but everything I have done is from advice given here.

That's my point, you follow good advice and your plants do great. 1 or 2 people tell you to change something and all of a sudden your plants are not doing as well. Don't take all the advice you're given and don't change things immediately, it can take days to see the results of your changes and if you make more changes during that time, you will never know what did and did not work. Plus all the changes are constantly shifting and stressing the plants.

So I should not get a pH pen? Or a dehumidifier? The cal/mag was the only addition that seems to be a mistake. I guess I am not following.

Dehumidifier I see as a necessity, but you need a whole room one and not the small cheap ones. I've never tested PH of anything, growing in soil buffers so I say why waste the money on it. I don't think calmag is the issues unless you're giving to much of it, my plants get 5 ml/gal of calmag every feeding and I have no issue but I also keep my other nutrient strength at 50%.
My water gets run through a Zero Water Filter/pitcher, takes the chlorine and all that stuff right out of the water.

I should have flipped a couple of weeks ago. I have about 27" from light and light is at max height. Putting them into flower today. I took out the cal/mag from last feeding so fingers crossed that takes care of the white tips. I may have to remove the fan to get the light higher. I do not know where I will put it though.

You're probably going to have to end up bending and tying the tops down at some point or you will trash your main buds. Lowering light intensity will help but then your lower bud sites won't get the light they need ro develop.

I downloaded that. If correct, I am running 13000 LUX at 65% light on average, 27" above plants. Little weaker around the edges of the tent.

Change the settings to ppfd instead on lux. Photone is not accurate unless you calibrate it with a real meter. You can use it as a reference, say your light is reading 400 ppfd on the Photone app and the plants are doing good, you turn light up to 500 ppfd and now they are doing poor, you know to keep light at 400 ppfd and can use that number as a starting point for future grows.

 

[Sunin]

Vivosun and AC Infinity make pH pens. One 10.00 the other 50.00. I think the AC Infinity might be the better of the two. They have 3/4 different price points, I think the cheap one will be good enough for me.

I will also invest in some pH up/down and try to balance out where I need to be.

was looking at them. ac infinity ones. people recommend but with changeable probe. might invest in one too

 

[Sunin]

Ah okay so it breaks it down then, right?

vit C sorts chloramine out

 

[WickedMichelle]

1 or 2 people tell you to change something and all of a sudden your plants are not doing as well.

I get that but they made valid points for their reasoning. This is a learning curve. When we make mistakes we tend to learn not to do them again. For example, I can get from seed to 1st topping without issues. Now I am learning nutrient balance. Some of this was also just me. I bumped the nutrients up to where the AN chart said I should be. I assumed they needed to be there for flower stage. The cal/mag may or may not have been a problem. Since it is a non AN brand, maybe it is too strong and I was using too much. I ran that at full strength also. 5ml per gallon.

I am backing off of the cal/mag until I can read the ph of the nutrients. See where I am.

Dehumidifier I see as a necessity, but you need a whole room one and not the small cheap ones.

Yes, this is a real problem today. I am at 72% with 2 intake hoses up against an AC units blower. Temp is great but the humidity is way out of focus. I do not have room in the tent for a large dehumidifier so I am at a loss on what to do about this. Maybe if I hit the lottery I will get that Environmental Unit from AC Infinity. Terraform I think it's called. I would love one of those.

You're probably going to have to end up bending and tying the tops down at some point or you will trash your main buds. Lowering light intensity will help but then your lower bud sites won't get the light they need ro develop.

I have been trying to open the middle of the plants up. I have good light going to the bottom but yes, I was thinking I may need to put the net back in. I did a major trim and anchored down a few branches to expose more light to the lower ones. The watermelon might be an issue, the center branches are growing straight up and they are thick. Even some of the ones below are really thick. I broke one trying to tie one of them back. That is how I have the one in water seeing if it will root. I even gave it 10ml of nutrients to see if it helps.

Change the settings to ppfd instead on lux. Photone is not accurate unless you calibrate it with a real meter. You can use it as a reference, say your light is reading 400 ppfd on the Photone app and the plants are doing good, you turn light up to 500 ppfd and now they are doing poor, you know to keep light at 400 ppfd and can use that number as a starting point for future grows.

So to keep the light in the proper ppfd is how we adjust the power of the light?

I can try to keep an eye on that. I do not want to end up trying to balance too much. The best advice I have taken here was to just let them grow. So far that has worked. But with the new needs comes new learning. Trimming was a bit nerve racking for me. I did not want to over clip, seems I could have taken more. They survived. LOL.

All in all, I think they are looking pretty good. Once I get this pH thing balanced out, and the humidity, I think things will be great. I just want to make sure they are getting the proper nutrients they need. I am not using the entire list that AN recommends but I do have one from each category. And honestly, whether the cal/mag was the issue or not I was not really comfortable using something outside of the AN family. Sometimes mixing brands can cause issues. Especially with synthetics. At least in my head anyway, I am no chemist.

 

[WickedMichelle]

While we are here.... has anyone used this?

Vivosun Electric Mini Dehumidifier with 2200ml Tank

Crush humidity in small spaces for optimal growth. Vivosun’s electric dehumidifier is about to be your new secret weapon!

vivosun.com

It has good reviews and I can afford this one.

This one here is also well reviewed and seems more powerful. Much more expensive. This is a dehumidifier, not a pH pen. Bad page naming.

Vivosun Digital pH Meter, 3-in-1 TDS EC and Temperature Meter

Achieve perfect soil pH and nutrient levels with auto-temp compensation. The Vivosun 3-in-1 pH, TDS and Moisture Meter is a game changer for your garden!

vivosun.com

I have a 3x3x6 tent. 54 cubic feet I believe. If anyone here has any experience with either of these, please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

 

[Eledin]

I've never tested PH of anything, growing in soil buffers so I say why waste the money on it.

She is using bio-mineral I remind you, not organic. PH is important, thats why every base from the AN lines correct your PH, even the organic line. I agree with everything but this. I know that ph perfect leaves it at 6,5 but she had a worrying high reading of 7,5PH so thats why I suggested that she PHs the water and the runoff. Even with the acidity regulators, AN advises to read the PH. If you want me I can start pulling studies about how the PH is relevant even if not vital in all cases. Or you can also use google scholar and see for yourself.

 

[Sunin]

I blame Fox Farm or Happy Rabbits or whatever
Many issues I see here on those soils and not many growers using them right
That's why with AN range it's best to grow in high conductivity neutral soil. I use Biobizz Light mix
Something to think about for next grow

 

[Old.Mike69]

I blame Fox Farm or Happy Rabbits or whatever
Many issues I see here on those soils and not many growers using them right
That's why with AN range it's best to grow in high conductivity neutral soil. I use Biobizz Light mix
Something to think about for next grow

I was told by my hydro shop that Fox Farm opened a new facility on the East coast. The only soil that comes from Humboldt county isn't shipped any farther west than Colorado. The East Coast doesn't ship the same product. I knew something had changed.

 

[Eledin]

I blame Fox Farm or Happy Rabbits or whatever
Many issues I see here on those soils and not many growers using them right
That's why with AN range it's best to grow in high conductivity neutral soil. I use Biobizz Light mix
Something to think about for next grow

Yup remember the post of the unidentified critter that was harmless and how someone contacted fox farms and they said that their soil is not fully composted? That, for me, is unacceptable. Also as I mentioned those soils are meant for growing organic as they have organic ammendments in them so you need a full ecosystem to be able to break down all that matter. Voodoo Juice alone wont do because it only has species of Bacillus, no fungi, just bacteria. You had a very very nice suggestion of adding the mycorrizae and for that soil I think that will help a lot.
Biobizz is definetely a safe bet, good quality of the soil, simple as it can be but perfectly executed, if you want something more complicated you can ammend it yourself like I do or if thats not for you just liquid nutes is fine too. I buy either Canna or Biobizz. As for the coco to ammend the soil Biobizz aswell or high porosity cocos from Atami.

 

[Sunin]

Yup remember the post of the unidentified critter that was harmless and how someone contacted fox farms and they said that their soil is not fully composted? That, for me, is unacceptable. Also as I mentioned those soils are meant for growing organic as they have organic ammendments in them so you need a full ecosystem to be able to break down all that matter. Voodoo Juice alone wont do because it only has species of Bacillus, no fungi, just bacteria. You had a very very nice suggestion of adding the mycorrizae and for that soil I think that will help a lot.
Biobizz is definetely a safe bet, good quality of the soil, simple as it can be but perfectly executed, if you want something more complicated you can ammend it yourself like I do or if thats not for you just liquid nutes is fine too. I buy either Canna or Biobizz. As for the coco to ammend the soil Biobizz aswell or high porosity cocos from Atami.

I do
And also many burned plants in it
And just few very good growers that treat them right
I use Biobizz because I'm bit of a control freak I prefer to know and decide of how much of what I am putting in the system. Their All mix is very good to advice for newbies- just plant- don't do nothing, dry/wet, wait
If you add how drainage looks like in Biobizz, how nice it dries and lack of critters- it's a no brainer. I tried few and so far PH range liquid nutes work for me best exactly in this type of medium. still I will fish out kilo of sticks and crap from 50L bag

 

[HerbalEdu]

I use Biobizz ...Their All mix is very good to advice for newbies- just plant- don't do nothing, dry/wet, wait
If you add how drainage looks like in Biobizz, how nice it dries and lack of critters- it's a no brainer.

+1 totally agree all-mix soil can keep plants healthy for a long time without the need to add anything just watering with water

 

[Captspaulding]

My own girl started to show some white tips mid-veg when I had her at 60% light intensity and then I was reading CaptSpaulding's advice to someone else and so I backed her off to 40% and the tips disappeared. 40% turns out to be 300 PPFD for my setup. I've since been upping intensity slowly to 350. So green and happy now.
Less could be more for you too. It looks like you have some serious light there and you would need to have light, water, nutrients, humidity and temp all well balanced or she's gonna protest the only way she can. From your posts it seems you might not be sure. I was just watching this gold mine about how to use tools to balance the environment. It's a little beyond my abilities right now by I enjoyed the overview.--

Glad that you saw that, good job getting it back on the right path.

 

[Budtirement]

Glad that you saw that, good job getting it back on the right path

"Follow me if you want to live". Fine cinema reference as well as encapsulating the need to drop preconceived notions and stare reality in the face. Your plants are burning. Turn the thing down.

 

[Eledin]

I do
And also many burned plants in it
And just few very good growers that treat them right
I use Biobizz because I'm bit of a control freak I prefer to know and decide of how much of what I am putting in the system. Their All mix is very good to advice for newbies- just plant- don't do nothing, dry/wet, wait
If you add how drainage looks like in Biobizz, how nice it dries and lack of critters- it's a no brainer. I tried few and so far PH range liquid nutes work for me best exactly in this type of medium. still I will fish out kilo of sticks and crap from 50L bag

Yeah the sticks and not fully composted wood fiber is true but that happens with every peat mix I tried to be honest, the cheaper they are the more uncomposted wood they have. But hey, uncomposted wood is waaay better than other uncomposted material that comes with crawling insects and you can remove most of it by hand, maybe some will scape you but thats fine, never had a problem with that.
Biobizz has 30% perlite while others tend to have 10% to 20% thats why I love it so much too, I live in a humid area. If you live in a dry area you might wanna add some vermiculite or look for another one with less perlite but also high quality.

 

[Captspaulding]

"Follow me if you want to live". Fine cinema reference as well as encapsulating the need to drop preconceived notions and stare reality in the face. Your plants are burning. Turn the thing down.

I

"Follow me if you want to live". Fine cinema reference as well as encapsulating the need to drop preconceived notions and stare reality in the face. Your plants are burning. Turn the thing down.

tries to keep it concise.
Hahaha I do remember now.
Super glad you did t get offended, some folks take that shit the wrong way, I just like to keep things light hearted sometimes. What thread was yours again ? Do a you still post to it?

 

[Budtirement]

What thread was yours again ?

Wasn't my thread. I read it on someone else's, but it made an impression. Thank you

 

[Captspaulding]

Wasn't my thread. I read it on someone else's, but it made an impression. Thank you

More than welcome

 

[Old.Mike69]

Are they reliable? Ive seen them mentioned in the forum before but I also seen people say they dont work well.

I tested it against a reliable one and it was pretty close

 

[WickedMichelle]

I was told by my hydro shop that Fox Farm opened a new facility on the East coast. The only soil that comes from Humboldt county isn't shipped any farther west than Colorado. The East Coast doesn't ship the same product. I knew something had changed.

That's interesting. My soil choices are limited. Fox Farms was one they had and one I read about on here. I did not see this.

Where I was told that the Fox Farms had lots of nutrients in it, I was also told they wear out in around a months time. I did not start adding nutrients until after that month.

So far I have had good luck with it. All of my plants were even germinated in it. I used a 50/50 mix happy frog and ocean forest. My Sherbet and OG Kush popped right up in it. Just seed to soil. The 1st two I used a heating mat.

Everything was fine. Lights, nutrients... all were well. Things changed after using the Cal/Mag. I am either using too much or should not be using it at all. The 7.5 pH reading, where high, was most likely very inaccurate. I will get a proper pH pen and test the liquids, not the soil. Until then the cal/mag is out. The plants are not getting worse as of lights out today. They just started their 12/12.