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Planting seeds inside a mother

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Planting seeds inside a mother

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Guy runs a you tube page called "Welcome to the Grow Tent" summed seedlings up well. He says they are "WEAK LITTLE BITCHES" at that stage of life.
 
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Thanks for encouragement. All I know for sure is that simply slicing a main stalk and sticking a seedling in is not the way to go. There was nothing but a gaping wound and a withered radicle upon inspection.
 
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cbrians said:
Can’t be that dismal if you got that far. Very few things are accomplished on the first ever try.
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I think that the only reason it made it the week it did was because a seed has enough nutrients to grow a couple sets of leaves and the cotldylon absorb water, so root wasn't necessary.
 
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mellingwood91 said:
I think that the only reason it made it the week it did was because a seed has enough nutrients to grow a couple sets of leaves and the cotldylon absorb water, so root wasn't necessary.
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Fair. So if the issue is a lack of water, or roots searching for water, what if you packed the plant with a starter cube or something? or rapid rooter.

I don’t know much about either, but you’ve got a cool thing going, even if you did master it yet.
 
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I'm also skeptical. The young plant is basically rootbound and I'm guessing it can't get the nutrients it needs. I was also wondering about rejection, that is, maybe the host plant might react as if the sprout were a pest.
 
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mellingwood91 said:
Thanks for encouragement. All I know for sure is that simply slicing a main stalk and sticking a seedling in is not the way to go. There was nothing but a gaping wound and a withered radicle upon inspection.
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Maybe you could try drilling a pilot hole as far down as you could giving some room for roots to develop and stretch a little.
 
#71
What if you slightly scraped the sides of the seedling before grafting? Another idea, graft deeper. Third idea, embed a seed into the stem of a plant and see if it grows.
 
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LoveGrowingIt said:
I'm also skeptical. The young plant is basically rootbound and I'm guessing it can't get the nutrients it needs. I was also wondering about rejection, that is, maybe the host plant might react as if the sprout were a pest.
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I agree it’s an issue with water and/or nutes, and the ability of the seedling to assimilate them.

I doubt it’s rejection, since you can graft cannabis to cannabis, and even hops to cannabis.
 
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Phyto said:
I agree it’s an issue with water and/or nutes, and the ability of the seedling to assimilate them.

I doubt it’s rejection, since you can graft cannabis to cannabis, and even hops to cannab
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Phyto said:
think a graft requires actual contact with phy/xy layer. I hypothesized that hypocutcle or whatever could seemlessly fuse into phy/xy of mother. I was wrong. It's crunch time outside so I don't wanna try and if I was successful inside, I don't have room for an auto to flower in my photo veg tent 🤷
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mellingwood91 said:
I'm thinking of making the slice in the crotch between main stalk and thickest shoot. Thoughts?
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Damn I never saw this topic. I was doin the “hydra” grafted mother, sadly I had to get her into flower to replace a hermed plant but I plan to pick back up on it, but this seems very interesting!

Following now!
 
#76
Part of the problem may also be that the cells below the cotyledons haven’t really differentiated into root, or stem cells yet. and the thickness of the xylem and phloem is only a few cells thick. That’s why it works with a graft off a mother plant because the cells are more mature and there’s thicker layers, upping the chances of the cells lining up.. The cells have already differentiated. I’ll caveat this by saying I took plant physiology a long time ago!!!
 
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Phyto said:
Part of the problem may also be that the cells below the cotyledons haven’t really differentiated into root, or stem cells yet. and the thickness of the xylem and phloem is only a few cells thick. That’s why it works with a graft off a mother plant because the cells are more mature and there’s thicker layers, upping the chances of the cells lining up.. The cells have already differentiated. I’ll caveat this by saying I took plant physiology a long time ago!!!
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Would it be better to plant the seedling, let her get to maybe a few inches tall then cut at the soil and graft? I found with my hydra / graft plant larger scions tend to fail, but small new growth seems to take very quickly. Somewhat similar to just grafting but the whole seedling instead of just a single branch of one
 
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Mikedin said:
Would it be better to plant the seedling, let her get to maybe a few inches tall then cut at the soil and graft? I found with my hydra / graft plant larger scions tend to fail, but small new growth seems to take very quickly. Somewhat similar to just grafting but the whole seedling instead of just a single branch of one
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I think that is more likely to work, the cells need to be differentiated so the graft will take, with a few day old seedling they just can’t draw enough water before they dry out.
 
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Phyto said:
I doubt it’s rejection, since you can graft cannabis to cannabis, and even hops to cannabis.
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Rejection was just a passing thought and probably wouldn't be rejection as we think of rejection in terms of organ transplants. It was just the best word I could think of at the time.

But then again... When grafting, the same type of plant tissue is grafted. That's typically splicing stem to stem or branch to branch, etc. I'd argue that it's not grafting when it's root to stem. The rooting plant isn't even changed, as would be the case with a graft. So, isn't a graft. It's roots trying to grow in a very limited container and quickly becoming root bound. I wonder if the roots of a growing plant could obtain the proper nutrients from another plant's stem to support photosynthesis.
 
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LoveGrowingIt said:
Rejection was just a passing thought and probably wouldn't be rejection as we think of rejection in terms of organ transplants. It was just the best word I could think of at the time.

But then again... When grafting, the same type of plant tissue is grafted. That's typically splicing stem to stem or branch to branch, etc. I'd argue that it's not grafting when it's root to stem. The rooting plant isn't even changed, as would be the case with a graft. So, isn't a graft. It's roots trying to grow in a very limited container and quickly becoming root bound. I wonder if the roots of a growing plant could obtain the proper nutrients from another plant's stem to support photosynthesis.
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I think we’re pretty much on the same page, it’s a problem of grafting incompatible cell types, but not really rejection.
 
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