Droopy before lights out in flower. Issue or not?

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Well I'ma leave this here for the night I hope you losers grow a pair and say something for yourselves if even capable at this point I'd believe anything .......tsk....tsk

 

[Newty]

I have to agree that praying leaves and evening droop is to much light.

Pictures below is my 1 gallon challenge plant.
I would usually be running my light at 30% but I'm running it at 40% to increase temps, I have another tent in flower so I'm running the air conditioner.
My leaves are praying and within a few hours of lights off, the plant gets droopy.
I know it's from the light, if you look at the leaf tips in the close up pictures, they are discolored because they are getting to much light, the praying and droop is just 2 other symptoms.
Have seen it plenty of times.

My solution, just raised light another 12"

 

[Mikedin]

Too much light! If you have photone check your DLI and see what they are gettin, or as I’d do, raise up the light 10-12” for a week then slowly back back down till you see negative effects

If light can’t be higher, reduce power by 10%

Basically they’ve just had their fill of light for the day

Never use the suggested charts for lights, nutrients, etc neuts suggestions are usually 50% more than is needed (go figure they want you to use more to buy more)

I don’t think I’ve ever ran a light at 8” as they suggest in half those maps for the max par values, nobody’s gunna do that, I like a minimum of 18” from the light if I can do it then dial it in depending on plant appearance

If you gotta be at 8” to reach max values, you need a bigger light

 

[Mikedin]

I’ll break out some time lapses to show how plants move and grow during the night, most stretching happens at lights out, another thing they could be doing is pushin the new node, leaves drip, new node pushes, then as it opens the fans re-lift

It’s also common to see droop just just before lights out as the plant is acknowledging it’s light cycle and dropping back for the night, I’ve studied the shit outta a ton of my time lapses to learn plant growth and it’s super interesting to see how they react to lights on / off, he tight and power adjustments. ,waterings, etc etc

I tend to underpower my grows vs maxing them out

 

[Mikedin]

Heres a few had to cut em all short as my face was in half of em checkin em and watering lol

2nd one is prob at her best as it’s week 2 of flower in my frostte run 2x frostettes in 5 gallon buckets in a 2x4 net they yielded 640g of absolute bomb off the 2x under a FD6500 at about 70% power those girls grew right into the light and loved it, but every strain is different, Frostette is just a beast which is why I run her so often, one in the flower tent now lol

*these are all archived videos of past runs none of them are current*

First video 3x cali blues clones and one cali dream (video is deceptive for light height they were about 20” from the light in the video)

2nd video 2x Frostette

3rd video 2x cali blues fartherst plant from camera (one to the right ended up being the freak pheno mother), Closer 2 plants are cali dream

 

[chucktaylor95]

Heres a few had to cut em all short as my face was in half of em checkin em and watering lol

2nd one is prob at her best as it’s week 2 of flower in my frostte run 2x frostettes in 5 gallon buckets in a 2x4 net they yielded 640g of absolute bomb off the 2x under a FD6500 at about 70% power those girls grew right into the light and loved it, but every strain is different, Frostette is just a beast which is why I run her so often, one in the flower tent now lol

*these are all archived videos of past runs none of them are current*

First video 3x cali blues clones and one cali dream (video is deceptive for light height they were about 20” from the light in the video)

2nd video 2x Frostette

3rd video 2x cali blues fartherst plant from camera (one to the right ended up being the freak pheno mother), Closer 2 plants are cali dream

Mine were only at 15 - 16" @ 80%. 150w light. I just honestly think they are prepping for bed. And they don't full on prey. They look same as in your third video

 

[Mikedin]

Mine were only at 15 - 16" @ 80%. 150w light. I just honestly think they are prepping for bed. And they don't full on prey. They look same as in your third video

It’s 100% possible, as you saw in that video I have plenty of height and it’s off the top of my head on how I run I’d estimate that PL4500 was at about 40% max and probably 20-24” and around 400 PPFD (I only use photone app so not perfect but close enough to dial in to plant appearance)

Some plants are naturally droopy as well, was watchin jade nectar the other day and he’s got a Iranian pheno that looks like she’s half dead, but like he said every pheno does it no matter what wet / dry / cooler / hotter / less light / more light etc etc

Its most likely they’ve had a bit of overfill on light and just wanna relax and sleep as you said

If the droop is within an hour of lights out, I’d say you’re fine, if it’s happening halfway through the day and staying drooped till lights out it’s too much light

 

[chucktaylor95]

It’s 100% possible, as you saw in that video I have plenty of height and it’s off the top of my head on how I run I’d estimate that PL4500 was at about 40% max and probably 20-24” and around 400 PPFD (I only use photone app so not perfect but close enough to dial in to plant appearance)

Some plants are naturally droopy as well, was watchin jade nectar the other day and he’s got a Iranian pheno that looks like she’s half dead, but like he said every pheno does it no matter what wet / dry / cooler / hotter / less light / more light etc etc

Its most likely they’ve had a bit of overfill on light and just wanna relax and sleep as you said

If the droop is within an hour of lights out, I’d say you’re fine, if it’s happening halfway through the day and staying drooped till lights out it’s too much light

400ppfd in flower? And yeah only droop 20-30min before lights out

 

[Mikedin]

400ppfd in flower? And yeah only droop 20-30min before lights out

No I meant 400ppfd in that video you pointed out with the 4 plants in the 4x4 that one was around 400 around that time

Yeah 30 minutes before lights out? I wouldn’t even sweat that, I’d consider that pretty damn close to DLI being dialed in

 

[BudRanger1919]

I have learnt that LEDs are no joke. My girls in veg can only just take 35% of 480w right now, at 30". I do have the better diode models, but after seeing what my 730w did in flower I am convinced LEDs are magic. Gotta handle them with care and respect. My 730w started at 60%, increasing 5% every week until I got to 80% at 20-25". I was really pushing it at the end, I could have raised the lights again but I chose violence .
Edited to add: Oh and my plants go to sleep an hour or so before lights out as well.

 

[trustyagut]

In my experience, some strains like Godfather OG barely even droop during the night cycle but then other strains like the gushlato I'm running now for a second time will not only start drooping an hour before bed but she'll take atleast an hour or 2 waking up after lights turn on during veg. But the exact same day I flip 12/12 they will be already awake and waiting for the light to turn on everyday.
As Mike mentioned above I also notice the same when they pushing a new node etc.

 

[chitownglass]

Like for real bro, you should click on my page and look at all of my plants dude I grow hundreds at a time and none of them do that. I’m just saying man Everybody wants the red line their grows and literally beat the piss out of their plants because they’re worried about yield before they can even grow a plant,
Bass ackwards.
And dude, I know the difference between feeding droop whatever else may pop up,
I’ve grown and dealt with everything under the sun that these plants could freaking throw at me and I have pictures and evidence to show it. It’s all broken down in my picture folders in different ailments that can happen to these plants and ways to fix it because I’ve been there.
So it’s learned knowledge.

I think he knows what he's talking about. Lol. Just saying. Plants are all different, each with different needs. Even with the same cultivars brothers and sisters needs vary greatly. Some are very sensitive tooght whereas others eat that shit up.. I think you are okay though. Plants need to sleep too. I can veg under like 100 watts of led power when lights are close enough so I agree when captn talks about people using too much power. I learned this when I started using these newer leds. They are very powerful lights and a lot of times less is more. You really have to be on point with all your water, nutrients, etc when you crank your lights hard. Its like an engine. You can't just add more fuel and air intake without upgrading other parts. Balance is key. Its a lot easier to grow healthy plants under a bit lower intensity than an extremely high one. Im no expert but I think most people would agree with me.


Cheers mate!

 

[Mikedin]

I think he knows what he's talking about. Lol. Just saying. Plants are all different, each with different needs. Even with the same cultivars brothers and sisters needs vary greatly. Some are very sensitive tooght whereas others eat that shit up.. I think you are okay though. Plants need to sleep too. I can veg under like 100 watts of led power when lights are close enough so I agree when captn talks about people using too much power. I learned this when I started using these newer leds. They are very powerful lights and a lot of times less is more. You really have to be on point with all your water, nutrients, etc when you crank your lights hard. Its like an engine. You can't just add more fuel and air intake without upgrading other parts. Balance is key. Its a lot easier to grow healthy plants under a bit lower intensity than an extremely high one. Im no expert but I think most people would agree with me.


Cheers mate!

Yep, I use risers to raise and lower plants as well so o can keep my light at a consistant height hell, I dropped my gallon challenge plant down a foot yesterday from a table to a flipped bucket cus she looked like she was fightin the light but the other plants loved it, like you said, every plant is different, what you did last week might not work with this plant, but that’s where it’s worth the time to dial in, I like to run my seed plants at about 75% of what I expect them to handle, amendments, water, light, heat RH etc etc, then on the clone runs I push the hell outta them cus i know what the mother could handle and what she liked / diddnt like

but Yes it’s all genetics at the end of the day, gotta figure out what that specific cultivar likes and work with it to maximize its output.