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Long time gardeners (experts) are laughing at us cannabis growers ! I got laughed at today like I'm a clown...

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Hopefully! You’ve got Two months to figure that out! Get to popping!😆👍

Yeah, its a long story... I'm a secret grower, nobody in my house knows I'm growing. They stand inches from my hidden cabinet and cant smell a thing..

UNTIL late flower that is... a little odor is getting past my carbon filter for around 2-3 weeks. I'm hoping a second filter fixes this, the odor escapes at my exhaust vent slightly.

Lol, sorry to keep you all hanging with my procrastination ! Its been around a year since I've grown and I'm slacking hard.
 
I have a question for you.

You have two teachers to choose from:

1. The Bro Science DUDE----Grows Cannabis only, never graduated high school. Smokes weed 24/7---no longer gets high because they are high all the time.

2. A person dedicating there life to growing plants. A masters degree in horticulture and owning a highly respected garden center in the city...

In any case, I sift goodness from both camps dumping the BS... I will say the BS is much deeper in camp 1 though...
i would rather choose option 3:

3: from actual large scales commercial cannabis growing operations, and they do use various growing and feeding methods.
 
Most all of us are standing on the shoulders of those who came before us. We are all pioneers , don't let anyone shame you. No one was born with green thumb knowledge. I respect those who helped me get where I am today even if they did unknowingly or unintentionally.
As much as I have to teach...I have even MORE to learn. People forget that.....
 
My take on nutes, first and foremost cannabis growers in soil use too many nutes! IMHO most of the end of grow issues with yellowing leaves and burnt leaves are from too many nutes, not too few, or are natural senescence. As far as the plant is concerned there is no difference between synthetic and organic nutes, only the delivery system is different, but the nutrients taken up by the plant are exactly the same. Poor watering practices are what cause salt build-ups. Calmag is often not the answer, unless you live in an area with very soft water there's normally enough Ca and Mg in the water that you shouldn't need calmag, unless you've over used nutes and now have antagonistic nutrients (Mulders Chart). Cannabis growers are like fisherman, they'll buy anything if it claims to catch more fish (or grow bigger buds). The nute companies prey on that, and are very good at seperating growers from their money! I've seen guys use upwards of 15 different nute combinations on one grow, that's ridiculous!! I'm certainly in the science camp, with a Botany degree.
 
You missed 1 very important teacher, it is called experience, I have forgotten more about growing than most know.
Am I all sciency, nope, never claimed to be.
The the title of this thread is rather provocative and insulting of course folks are going to respond in kind.
Yes! Some of this stuff just can’t be taught, you have to learn as you go along, agree 100%

Love the name, did that come from the movie as good as it gets with Jack Nicholson? I’m seeing some of the best names avatars and profile pics on this forum, love it !
 
Most all of us are standing on the shoulders of those who came before us. We are all pioneers , don't let anyone shame you. No one was born with green thumb knowledge. I respect those who helped me get where I am today even if they did unknowingly or unintentionally.
As much as I have to teach...I have even MORE to learn. People forget that.....
I have absolutely and 100% zero shame… I’m old, been around the block a few times and know people,..

Cool thing about getting older, you lose something…. I can’t remember what it is,,,give me a minute,,maybe it’s my memory

Dammit, still not coming to me..
..

Oh yeah, I got it, I lost my give a F that’s it !
 
My take on nutes, first and foremost cannabis growers in soil use too many nutes! IMHO most of the end of grow issues with yellowing leaves and burnt leaves are from too many nutes, not too few, or are natural senescence. As far as the plant is concerned there is no difference between synthetic and organic nutes, only the delivery system is different, but the nutrients taken up by the plant are exactly the same. Poor watering practices are what cause salt build-ups. Calmag is often not the answer, unless you live in an area with very soft water there's normally enough Ca and Mg in the water that you shouldn't need calmag, unless you've over used nutes and now have antagonistic nutrients (Mulders Chart). Cannabis growers are like fisherman, they'll buy anything if it claims to catch more fish (or grow bigger buds). The nute companies prey on that, and are very good at seperating growers from their money! I've seen guys use upwards of 15 different nute combinations on one grow, that's ridiculous!! I'm certainly in the science camp, with a Botany degree.
Love this reply, thanks. This is one of my biggest problems with feeding nutrients, I simply don’t know if it’s too much or two little…I have a feeling I’m over feeding but dammit am just not sure. Spinning in circles and the more I grow the LESS confident I become..

I’ve tried more less and in the middle… I’ve tried different nutrients and different watering methods. yes, I make it to harvest, but improving is hard. I simply don’t know if I’m doing anything wrong,,I’ve watered till runoff measuring salts and PH and am considering NOT watering to runoff for my next grow..it’s becoming a merry go round for me, everything works and doesn’t work if that makes sense.

At this point I need something simple without 20 bottles of over priced snake oil, it gets complicated with this silliness. it’s very difficult to troubleshoot with this many variables. I’d like to get to where you are with the plants in your garden being grown organically.

Thanks again, I’ll probably be in contact with you later if you don’t mind. You’re covering some issues here that have been on my mind a while and you seem to know your stuff!
 
I have absolutely and 100% zero shame… I’m old, been around the block a few times and know people,..

Cool thing about getting older, you lose something…. I can’t remember what it is,,,give me a minute,,maybe it’s my memory

Dammit, still not coming to me..
..

Oh yeah, I got it, I lost my give a F that’s it !
😂 I can dig it!
 
At this point I need something simple without 20 bottles of over priced snake oil, it gets complicated with this silliness. it’s very difficult to troubleshoot with this many variables. I’d like to get to where you are with the plants in your garden being grown organically.
you might want to give a try a slow release dry amemdment you could mix on start up with the soil and then use as top dress once in a while.

stuff like gaia green in us/canada or greenhouse feeding organic line in the eu
 
Yes! Some of this stuff just can’t be taught, you have to learn as you go along, agree 100%

Love the name, did that come from the movie as good as it gets with Jack Nicholson? I’m seeing some of the best names avatars and profile pics on this forum, love it !
LoL no actually, I'm just an old dude with one eye
 
A little bit of history, and zooming out might help @FungusGnat

Take a look at where cannabis grows (or used to grow) wild. It’s in nature, and it needs no nutrients added. It’s able to do this because other plants and animals are adding nutrients as the cannabis is taking it out, and vice versa. It’s a symbiotic relationship. This is largely what tree/fruit/flower growers attempt to mimic. Natural conditions, with soil fortified with everything it needs, to slowly release the nutrients to the plant over time, the same way that it’s done in nature.

Liquid fertilizers are largely viewed as bandaids, and cheats. If you’ve met any tomato growers, or big pumpkin growers, none use liquid fertilizers. Even miricle-grow is viewed as “amateur hour.” Most of the liquid fertilizers are unstable, so they need to add other products that plants need in order to keep the nutrients in solution and not precipitate out. These added products eventually build up in the soil and are bad for plants. They also have a tendency of killing off bacteria, microbes, and fungi that the plants need. Once you add the liquid fertilizer, the plant often lacks the ability to hunt out the nutrients naturally existing in the soil, and so it creates a treadmill.

Cannabis growers, historically at least, had different issues. In prohibition times grows moved largely indoors. When indoors, you lacked the ability to have 25-50 gallon pots that can hold all the nutrients the plant needs. Growers also needed to be careful how much outside product they were bringing in. An apartment dweller with some balcony flowers that’s getting pallets of soil and soil amendments would look really suspicious. Added to that, cannabis growers were constantly looking to push a plant to it’s limits. Flower faster. Grow quicker. Grow bigger. So getting nutrients directly to the roots, quickly, with a small footprint, mattered. So small growing containers, that didn’t have enough nutrients naturally, and addition of chemical nutrients to supplement the fast growing, that came in small bottles that could be disposed of discretely, was crucial. This growing method would be considered heresy by a tomato grower, or a champion cucumber grower, or even a bonsai grower.

There’s been a bigger movement in the cannabis world toward living soil and organic growing, now that appearances and footprints are less of a concern in some areas. But alot of the growing culture’s roots (pun intended) have stuck around.

So the “laughing” the store owners were doing to you is, at least in that gardening world, not surprising. It’s the equivalent of someone growing tomatoes in dead soil and needing to spray miricle grow once a week to keep the plant alive. There’s a better way. But, at the same time, none of those tomato growers can get the speed of growth that most cannabis growers wanted. And they didn’t have the cultural, historical, and learned baggage. Meanwhile, if you step foot in a hydro store by someone that’s been growing in their closet for 20 years, they’ll aknowledge the benefits of living soil, adding compost, and powdered nutrient supplements, but will also explain to you the benefits (and drawbacks) of a more hydro based approach (or a soil based that uses alot of liquid nutrients).

As far as perlite goes . . . yeah, that stuff is kinda rough. There are alot of other alternatives. The eco footprint of perlite isn’t great, it’s expensive, not the best for your health or the environment. Lava rock is an alternative, but not as light. Rice hulls help, but keep in mind they will start to break down over time. Which may not be a bad thing. But also keep in mind, the rice hulls aren’t exactly an “eco wonderland” in their production either. It’s a byproduct of the rice grower world, and they can’t get rid of the stuff. Most farmers either burn it on their property (sometimes illegally), till it into the soil (sometimes too much), or have to pay someone to remove it. That person they pay to remove it often takes it to a dump, or occasionally turns around and sells it to you, making money off the farmer and you. And depending on the source, it may come with chemical additives (not too common with rice hulls though).
 
Love this reply, thanks. This is one of my biggest problems with feeding nutrients, I simply don’t know if it’s too much or two little…I have a feeling I’m over feeding but dammit am just not sure. Spinning in circles and the more I grow the LESS confident I become..

I’ve tried more less and in the middle… I’ve tried different nutrients and different watering methods. yes, I make it to harvest, but improving is hard. I simply don’t know if I’m doing anything wrong,,I’ve watered till runoff measuring salts and PH and am considering NOT watering to runoff for my next grow..it’s becoming a merry go round for me, everything works and doesn’t work if that makes sense.

At this point I need something simple without 20 bottles of over priced snake oil, it gets complicated with this silliness. it’s very difficult to troubleshoot with this many variables. I’d like to get to where you are with the plants in your garden being grown organically.

Thanks again, I’ll probably be in contact with you later if you don’t mind. You’re covering some issues here that have been on my mind a while and you seem to know your stuff!
If you keep trying different nutrients and different watering methods you are creating your own variables. Stick with a plan that works for you and figure it out.

Some of that "snake oil" grows excellent weed. I will never grow without silica again in my indoor hydro because of the experience I have and seeing the results. In the beginning I thought it was all bullshit. It took the advice of people with no skin in the game (like the people here) for me to try it and then I made up my own mind about the results.

A little bit of history, and zooming out might help @FungusGnat

Take a look at where cannabis grows (or used to grow) wild. It’s in nature, and it needs no nutrients added. It’s able to do this because other plants and animals are adding nutrients as the cannabis is taking it out, and vice versa. It’s a symbiotic relationship. This is largely what tree/fruit/flower growers attempt to mimic. Natural conditions, with soil fortified with everything it needs, to slowly release the nutrients to the plant over time, the same way that it’s done in nature.

Liquid fertilizers are largely viewed as bandaids, and cheats. If you’ve met any tomato growers, or big pumpkin growers, none use liquid fertilizers. Even miricle-grow is viewed as “amateur hour.” Most of the liquid fertilizers are unstable, so they need to add other products that plants need in order to keep the nutrients in solution and not precipitate out. These added products eventually build up in the soil and are bad for plants. They also have a tendency of killing off bacteria, microbes, and fungi that the plants need. Once you add the liquid fertilizer, the plant often lacks the ability to hunt out the nutrients naturally existing in the soil, and so it creates a treadmill.

Cannabis growers, historically at least, had different issues. In prohibition times grows moved largely indoors. When indoors, you lacked the ability to have 25-50 gallon pots that can hold all the nutrients the plant needs. Growers also needed to be careful how much outside product they were bringing in. An apartment dweller with some balcony flowers that’s getting pallets of soil and soil amendments would look really suspicious. Added to that, cannabis growers were constantly looking to push a plant to it’s limits. Flower faster. Grow quicker. Grow bigger. So getting nutrients directly to the roots, quickly, with a small footprint, mattered. So small growing containers, that didn’t have enough nutrients naturally, and addition of chemical nutrients to supplement the fast growing, that came in small bottles that could be disposed of discretely, was crucial. This growing method would be considered heresy by a tomato grower, or a champion cucumber grower, or even a bonsai grower.

There’s been a bigger movement in the cannabis world toward living soil and organic growing, now that appearances and footprints are less of a concern in some areas. But alot of the growing culture’s roots (pun intended) have stuck around.

So the “laughing” the store owners were doing to you is, at least in that gardening world, not surprising. It’s the equivalent of someone growing tomatoes in dead soil and needing to spray miricle grow once a week to keep the plant alive. There’s a better way. But, at the same time, none of those tomato growers can get the speed of growth that most cannabis growers wanted. And they didn’t have the cultural, historical, and learned baggage. Meanwhile, if you step foot in a hydro store by someone that’s been growing in their closet for 20 years, they’ll aknowledge the benefits of living soil, adding compost, and powdered nutrient supplements, but will also explain to you the benefits (and drawbacks) of a more hydro based approach (or a soil based that uses alot of liquid nutrients).

As far as perlite goes . . . yeah, that stuff is kinda rough. There are alot of other alternatives. The eco footprint of perlite isn’t great, it’s expensive, not the best for your health or the environment. Lava rock is an alternative, but not as light. Rice hulls help, but keep in mind they will start to break down over time. Which may not be a bad thing. But also keep in mind, the rice hulls aren’t exactly an “eco wonderland” in their production either. It’s a byproduct of the rice grower world, and they can’t get rid of the stuff. Most farmers either burn it on their property (sometimes illegally), till it into the soil (sometimes too much), or have to pay someone to remove it. That person they pay to remove it often takes it to a dump, or occasionally turns around and sells it to you, making money off the farmer and you. And depending on the source, it may come with chemical additives (not too common with rice hulls though).

TL/DR but one day I might unpack that and pick ur brain. BTW tho...the hydro tomato growers are killing us cannabis folks as far as yield/sq ft. and feeding etc
 
A little bit of history, and zooming out might help @FungusGnat

Take a look at where cannabis grows (or used to grow) wild. It’s in nature, and it needs no nutrients added. It’s able to do this because other plants and animals are adding nutrients as the cannabis is taking it out, and vice versa. It’s a symbiotic relationship. This is largely what tree/fruit/flower growers attempt to mimic. Natural conditions, with soil fortified with everything it needs, to slowly release the nutrients to the plant over time, the same way that it’s done in nature.

Liquid fertilizers are largely viewed as bandaids, and cheats. If you’ve met any tomato growers, or big pumpkin growers, none use liquid fertilizers. Even miricle-grow is viewed as “amateur hour.” Most of the liquid fertilizers are unstable, so they need to add other products that plants need in order to keep the nutrients in solution and not precipitate out. These added products eventually build up in the soil and are bad for plants. They also have a tendency of killing off bacteria, microbes, and fungi that the plants need. Once you add the liquid fertilizer, the plant often lacks the ability to hunt out the nutrients naturally existing in the soil, and so it creates a treadmill.

Cannabis growers, historically at least, had different issues. In prohibition times grows moved largely indoors. When indoors, you lacked the ability to have 25-50 gallon pots that can hold all the nutrients the plant needs. Growers also needed to be careful how much outside product they were bringing in. An apartment dweller with some balcony flowers that’s getting pallets of soil and soil amendments would look really suspicious. Added to that, cannabis growers were constantly looking to push a plant to it’s limits. Flower faster. Grow quicker. Grow bigger. So getting nutrients directly to the roots, quickly, with a small footprint, mattered. So small growing containers, that didn’t have enough nutrients naturally, and addition of chemical nutrients to supplement the fast growing, that came in small bottles that could be disposed of discretely, was crucial. This growing method would be considered heresy by a tomato grower, or a champion cucumber grower, or even a bonsai grower.

There’s been a bigger movement in the cannabis world toward living soil and organic growing, now that appearances and footprints are less of a concern in some areas. But alot of the growing culture’s roots (pun intended) have stuck around.

So the “laughing” the store owners were doing to you is, at least in that gardening world, not surprising. It’s the equivalent of someone growing tomatoes in dead soil and needing to spray miricle grow once a week to keep the plant alive. There’s a better way. But, at the same time, none of those tomato growers can get the speed of growth that most cannabis growers wanted. And they didn’t have the cultural, historical, and learned baggage. Meanwhile, if you step foot in a hydro store by someone that’s been growing in their closet for 20 years, they’ll aknowledge the benefits of living soil, adding compost, and powdered nutrient supplements, but will also explain to you the benefits (and drawbacks) of a more hydro based approach (or a soil based that uses alot of liquid nutrients).

As far as perlite goes . . . yeah, that stuff is kinda rough. There are alot of other alternatives. The eco footprint of perlite isn’t great, it’s expensive, not the best for your health or the environment. Lava rock is an alternative, but not as light. Rice hulls help, but keep in mind they will start to break down over time. Which may not be a bad thing. But also keep in mind, the rice hulls aren’t exactly an “eco wonderland” in their production either. It’s a byproduct of the rice grower world, and they can’t get rid of the stuff. Most farmers either burn it on their property (sometimes illegally), till it into the soil (sometimes too much), or have to pay someone to remove it. That person they pay to remove it often takes it to a dump, or occasionally turns around and sells it to you, making money off the farmer and you. And depending on the source, it may come with chemical additives (not too common with rice hulls though).
I’m running out of the house for a few hours but started reading your thread and Love it ! I swear I would pay money for this type of viewpoint.. I get it and can’t wait to finish reading!

I’ll be back later to read this slowly to take it all in, thanks so much for taking the time ! To anyone listening and helping, thanks so much ! I’ve got to catch up a bit with all the great stuff being talked about. Sorry if I’ve missed anyone!

Why is this forum so good with such great people? I see very little negativity, is this the twilight zone of good people? lol, try roll it up, they would have beaten me to a pulp by now. Thanks!
 
A little bit of history, and zooming out might help @FungusGnat

Take a look at where cannabis grows (or used to grow) wild. It’s in nature, and it needs no nutrients added. It’s able to do this because other plants and animals are adding nutrients as the cannabis is taking it out, and vice versa. It’s a symbiotic relationship. This is largely what tree/fruit/flower growers attempt to mimic. Natural conditions, with soil fortified with everything it needs, to slowly release the nutrients to the plant over time, the same way that it’s done in nature.

This has been on my mind. I had a friend in the 80's that decided to grow in his attic. He dug soil from his backyard, planted seeds and grew 6 plants all the way to flower, no problems.. He had nothing, no nutrients, nothing and he pulled it off. How can this be? (I blame LED's, he used high powered halogen bulbs but that's another story).... Point is, he had little to work with and it was very simple...His plants were green and healthy all the way through.
Liquid fertilizers are largely viewed as bandaids, and cheats. If you’ve met any tomato growers, or big pumpkin growers, none use liquid fertilizers. Even miricle-grow is viewed as “amateur hour.” Most of the liquid fertilizers are unstable, so they need to add other products that plants need in order to keep the nutrients in solution and not precipitate out. These added products eventually build up in the soil and are bad for plants. They also have a tendency of killing off bacteria, microbes, and fungi that the plants need. Once you add the liquid fertilizer, the plant often lacks the ability to hunt out the nutrients naturally existing in the soil, and so it creates a treadmill.

You nailed it here, this explains why they gave me odd looks ! It's very cool that you understand what I'm talking about (much better than me !) This explanation of why I was treated as a clown makes sense. The place I visited is just what you say, competition growers (advanced) growing pumpkins etc...

The way you explain liquid nutrients and the way they stop the plant from searching for natural nutrients is something I'll need to digest for a while. This may push me out to learn more natural methods (organic)...
Cannabis growers, historically at least, had different issues. In prohibition times grows moved largely indoors. When indoors, you lacked the ability to have 25-50 gallon pots that can hold all the nutrients the plant needs. Growers also needed to be careful how much outside product they were bringing in. An apartment dweller with some balcony flowers that’s getting pallets of soil and soil amendments would look really suspicious. Added to that, cannabis growers were constantly looking to push a plant to it’s limits. Flower faster. Grow quicker. Grow bigger. So getting nutrients directly to the roots, quickly, with a small footprint, mattered. So small growing containers, that didn’t have enough nutrients naturally, and addition of chemical nutrients to supplement the fast growing, that came in small bottles that could be disposed of discretely, was crucial. This growing method would be considered heresy by a tomato grower, or a champion cucumber grower, or even a bonsai grower.

Makes sense ! Yes, 25 gallon pots in a closet probably doesn't work, so liquid nutrients might be necessary in smaller pots. So, liquid nutrients while far from perfect can serve an important purpose. I think I'm starting to get it, simply put, there are many different conditions cannabis can be grown in. Growing organically outdoors might make sense, growing with liquid nutrients for a 1 gallon challenge might also make sense. I like this, it changing the way I think, liquid nutrients aren't bad, they have a place and serve an important purpose. Love it.
There’s been a bigger movement in the cannabis world toward living soil and organic growing, now that appearances and footprints are less of a concern in some areas. But alot of the growing culture’s roots (pun intended) have stuck around.

Yes ! I've been noticing this a lot. Seems to be a strong organic camp vs chemical camp. I'm listening and learning from both.
So the “laughing” the store owners were doing to you is, at least in that gardening world, not surprising. It’s the equivalent of someone growing tomatoes in dead soil and needing to spray miricle grow once a week to keep the plant alive. There’s a better way. But, at the same time, none of those tomato growers can get the speed of growth that most cannabis growers wanted. And they didn’t have the cultural, historical, and learned baggage. Meanwhile, if you step foot in a hydro store by someone that’s been growing in their closet for 20 years, they’ll aknowledge the benefits of living soil, adding compost, and powdered nutrient supplements, but will also explain to you the benefits (and drawbacks) of a more hydro based approach (or a soil based that uses alot of liquid nutrients).
I've been playing guitar for 40 years. Sometimes a new player comes to ask questions....I know how it feels to be on the other side..There is simply no way to explain 40 years of guitar playing to a new player in a quick conversation, it would take YEARS. I know this is exactly the same feeling the gardeners had when I walked in... Dude can you play stairway?

Your explanation is brilliant here, thanks.

As far as perlite goes . . . yeah, that stuff is kinda rough. There are alot of other alternatives. The eco footprint of perlite isn’t great, it’s expensive, not the best for your health or the environment. Lava rock is an alternative, but not as light. Rice hulls help, but keep in mind they will start to break down over time. Which may not be a bad thing. But also keep in mind, the rice hulls aren’t exactly an “eco wonderland” in their production either. It’s a byproduct of the rice grower world, and they can’t get rid of the stuff. Most farmers either burn it on their property (sometimes illegally), till it into the soil (sometimes too much), or have to pay someone to remove it. That person they pay to remove it often takes it to a dump, or occasionally turns around and sells it to you, making money off the farmer and you. And depending on the source, it may come with chemical additives (not too common with rice hulls though).
Not too worried about perlite, I just wanted to post what they said to me... I'll continue to use it, hell its already in most of the soil I buy anyway...

This is great stuff, loved every minute of it and the way you explained everything. Are you a writer? If not, you should be ! This well written advice and a little history lesson should be a sticky somewhere if you ask me.

Thank you so much !
 
If you keep trying different nutrients and different watering methods you are creating your own variables. Stick with a plan that works for you and figure it out.

I've made it to harvest many times now using Dyna grow or Fox Farm nutrients.

I could go another run with Dynagrow, it works. Just not as great as I'd like it too.. Although my problems are minor, I just cant seem to up my game at all. Maybe I'm expecting too much or aiming too high.

Some of that "snake oil" grows excellent weed. I will never grow without silica again in my indoor hydro because of the experience I have and seeing the results. In the beginning I thought it was all bullshit. It took the advice of people with no skin in the game (like the people here) for me to try it and then I made up my own mind about the results.

I hear you, I also have been using Protekt (silica) for 4 grows now, love it. Its also great to PH my water and feed... Kind of a pH up with silica as a bonus.

TL/DR but one day I might unpack that and pick ur brain. BTW tho...the hydro tomato growers are killing us cannabis folks as far as yield/sq ft. and feeding etc
Love it, this is what forums should be, we all learn from each other and help each other out !

For now, lets have some fun and see what happens with these crazy pellets ! I need a break from the same circle I've been spinning in anyway..
 
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you might want to give a try a slow release dry amemdment you could mix on start up with the soil and then use as top dress once in a while.

stuff like gaia green in us/canada or greenhouse feeding organic line in the eu

Thanks, I'll check out the Gaja green you mention...
 
My take on nutes, first and foremost cannabis growers in soil use too many nutes! IMHO most of the end of grow issues with yellowing leaves and burnt leaves are from too many nutes, not too few, or are natural senescence. As far as the plant is concerned there is no difference between synthetic and organic nutes, only the delivery system is different, but the nutrients taken up by the plant are exactly the same. Poor watering practices are what cause salt build-ups. Calmag is often not the answer, unless you live in an area with very soft water there's normally enough Ca and Mg in the water that you shouldn't need calmag, unless you've over used nutes and now have antagonistic nutrients (Mulders Chart). Cannabis growers are like fisherman, they'll buy anything if it claims to catch more fish (or grow bigger buds). The nute companies prey on that, and are very good at seperating growers from their money! I've seen guys use upwards of 15 different nute combinations on one grow, that's ridiculous!! I'm certainly in the science camp, with a Botany degree.

This is killing me, I thought you just follow the feed guides that come with your nutrients and adjust as needed. Apparently not !

Even after being obsessive with reading PH PPM's and following feedcharts, I'm still not sure if I'm over feeding or underfeeding. (Mid flower) I simply dont know.

Hell, this is how it is for me. 6 weeks into flower, bottom leaves yellowing and starting to show spots. Seeing purple stems.. Could be hungry, could be over fead....

My solution. Flip a f ing coin ! Its that bad, I just dont know.
 
Thanks, I'll check out the Gaja green you mention...
this would be rather similar to the nutrient pellet you plan to use, tho it will give you more flexibility over many grow session to adjust the nutrient amount of each powder you use, and eventually adjusting the npk ratio mixing different powder together.

Some people on the forum are having great results with gaia green, they have lot of different products with different npk ratio and macro micro nutrients, you just need to choose wich one to use for veg and flower. You may want to start a thread about gaia green asking what products from them people use most commonly.
 
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This is killing me, I thought you just follow the feed guides that come with your nutrients and adjust as needed. Apparently not !

Even after being obsessive with reading PH PPM's and following feedcharts, I'm still not sure if I'm over feeding or underfeeding. (Mid flower) I simply dont know.

Hell, this is how it is for me. 6 weeks into flower, bottom leaves yellowing and starting to show spots. Seeing purple stems.. Could be hungry, could be over fead....

My solution. Flip a f ing coin ! Its that bad, I just dont know.
i m more or less in the same boat, feeding more or less the same each grow session and having very mixed result with plant health near the end depending strain and phenotypes. from perfectly healthy with very little fading to fading like crazy or showing this or that burn or deficiency. i m totally at lost with what went wrong with some of my grows or just some phenos or why some other are perfectly fine. like you i tried investigating feeding solution and run off ph and ec and that didn't really helped identifying or solving the issue(s) and adjusting more or less the feeding regimen for the plants with issue(s) without much success most of the time.

( always been growing in soil with organic liquids nutrients )

i have been thinking about trying slow release organic dry amendment for the same reason getting tired of mixing nuts each watering the idea of just top dressing a few time along the grow and just watering with plain water rest of the time is appealing to me as well, also tired of passed out/contaminated liquid nutrient bottle once in a while powder nutrient store much better.
 
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