Sudanese landrace indoor organic grow from TRSC

[Swayzee]

Here a few harvest pics you can see the structure

 

[Oldchucky]

GNick55 Popped a few Kumaoni beans indoors in the spring last year! Got one to take! It rapidly outgrew his indoor room! So he moved it outside! Thinking he was going to have a walk in the park! It kept growing and growing, and like the warrior he is, he did what it took to take care of it! It wouldn’t sex, but kept growing and growing! Along about mid-September, it finally threw balls at him when it was about 17 feet tall! We were all heartbroken But not really surprised! Oh, it was an epic grow! Never seen anything like it! And let no one Ever question GNick’s resolve to get a plant to the finish line! He went way above and beyond! That crazy bastard is one tough old buzzard! This was in Ontario! He knew it would never finish, but kept after it, at least, till it sexed! And if it would’ve been female, he would’ve kept after it until either he or she froze to death!

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

GNick55 Popped a few Kumaoni beans indoors in the spring last year! Got one to take! It rapidly outgrew his indoor room! So he moved it outside! Thinking he was going to have a walk in the park! It kept growing and growing, and like the warrior he is, he did what it took to take care of it! It wouldn’t sex, but kept growing and growing! Along about mid-September, it finally threw balls at him when it was about 17 feet tall! We were all heartbroken But not really surprised! Oh, it was an epic grow! Never seen anything like it! And let no one Ever question GNick’s resolve to get a plant to the finish line! He went way above and beyond! That crazy bastard is one tough old buzzard! This was in Ontario! He knew it would never finish, but kept after it, at least, till it sexed! And if it would’ve been female, he would’ve kept after it until either he or she froze to death!

Brutal!

GNick55

Yes, we Ontario outdoor growers can be tough and stubborn, just like our weather.

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

Haha no worries.

I would consider these autoflowering for all standard purposes. They will flower with 18 hours of light. Caught me off guard and I had to move them to a new space

Now technically speaking they are “day neutral” which means they will flower based on maturity. Which happens to be about 4-5 weeks after germination. This is due to the proximity to the equator where sudan gets 12 hours of sunlight year round with very little variation (I have an ex who is Sudanese actually).

After they began flowering I had them on an 11/13 schedule just to make sure.

I popped 4 and had 1 male and 3 females. Fairly uniform christmas tree shapes, I didn’t top any of them. One had more hair/ less bud growth. But all foxtail sativa like stricture with mango/ citrus terps. Not a terrible smoke, but nothing close to modern strength.

Thanks for the feedback.

3 out of 4 females is great!

My veg room is currently 20/4, maybe that will make a difference?
There’s not a whole lot of information about this particular strain, some have said they couldn’t stop the flowering and others have said anything over 18 hours of light will keep them in veg.
If they flower in veg and I can’t stop it, I will let them finish but that will be the end of the plant. I need something I can take clones from.
My best guess is that it will vary from seed to seed, but I will definitely find out soon enough.

I don’t expect any of the land races to compare to today’s poly hybrids because they’ve just been bred for high THC content over everything else. I’ve grown so many lanky OG crosses etc. that wouldn’t survive in the wild because they just can’t hold their own weight and collapse into the dirt during flower. I just use it as an example of a trade-off for really high THC content. Other trade-offs are less obvious until we get better at identifying, measuring and understanding all the cannabinoids.

There’s growing support for the idea that some of the more medicinal cannabinoids have been lost or at least severely reduced in the poly hybrids in the quest for high THC and high yielding strains.
Natural resistance and defences against insects is something else we may have been trading off.

That said, I still run poly hybrids . I’m currently running some polys from seed, some polys from clone(a permanent marker that I can’t imagine giving up), some autos (polys), a Durban poison reeking of lemon cleaner and now these Sudanese. My garden welcomes all except hermies

Finally, I chose Sudanese because like your ex, my wife is Sudanese, so it’s a little tribute to her.

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

OK, time for my “weekly” update.

We are exactly one week in and I had 9 out of 12 seeds germinate successfully.

One has yet to break ground and may never make it. Two others have been officially cut from the roster today because they simply stalled out.

One of the stalled seeds broke the surface with the seed casing visible and the other was the first seedling to break ground and show leaves, pictured in an earlier post.

Funny how one sent the tap root down and kept the seed casing on where the first one seemed to grow out from the seed casing. In any case, they both ran out of steam.

Down to 10 cups (9 seedlings) makes the tray less crowded and easier to line them all up with the double fluorescent shop light

I can’t believe only a week has passed, this is already taking forever!!

 

[Swayzee]

GNick55 Popped a few Kumaoni beans indoors in the spring last year! Got one to take! It rapidly outgrew his indoor room! So he moved it outside! Thinking he was going to have a walk in the park! It kept growing and growing, and like the warrior he is, he did what it took to take care of it! It wouldn’t sex, but kept growing and growing! Along about mid-September, it finally threw balls at him when it was about 17 feet tall! We were all heartbroken But not really surprised! Oh, it was an epic grow! Never seen anything like it! And let no one Ever question GNick’s resolve to get a plant to the finish line! He went way above and beyond! That crazy bastard is one tough old buzzard! This was in Ontario! He knew it would never finish, but kept after it, at least, till it sexed! And if it would’ve been female, he would’ve kept after it until either he or she froze to death!

I actually germinated 9 of the sudanese but had to go out of town when they had just popped the their heads up and ended up overwatering half of them Landraces can be tricky to germ/ start. But i planted 2 tashkurgan and Eastern Manipur - Burma Border as replacements and the Manipurs exploded i only vegged for like 4 weeks and the female filled out an entire 4x4 area trying to contain it. I have 16 seeds of the EMBB x Sudanese I made. Hoping to shorten the flowering period and hopefully retain some of the blue color/ berry paste terp from the EMBB. Hopefully i get around to running those this year.

 

[Oldchucky]

Thanks for the feedback.

3 out of 4 females is great!

My veg room is currently 20/4, maybe that will make a difference?
There’s not a whole lot of information about this particular strain, some have said they couldn’t stop the flowering and others have said anything over 18 hours of light will keep them in veg.
If they flower in veg and I can’t stop it, I will let them finish but that will be the end of the plant. I need something I can take clones from.
My best guess is that it will vary from seed to seed, but I will definitely find out soon enough.

I don’t expect any of the land races to compare to today’s poly hybrids because they’ve just been bred for high THC content over everything else. I’ve grown so many lanky OG crosses etc. that wouldn’t survive in the wild because they just can’t hold their own weight and collapse into the dirt during flower. I just use it as an example of a trade-off for really high THC content. Other trade-offs are less obvious until we get better at identifying, measuring and understanding all the cannabinoids.

There’s growing support for the idea that some of the more medicinal cannabinoids have been lost or at least severely reduced in the poly hybrids in the quest for high THC and high yielding strains.
Natural resistance and defences against insects is something else we may have been trading off.

That said, I still run poly hybrids . I’m currently running some polys from seed, some polys from clone(a permanent marker that I can’t imagine giving up), some autos (polys), a Durban poison reeking of lemon cleaner and now these Sudanese. My garden welcomes all except hermies

Finally, I chose Sudanese because like your ex, my wife is Sudanese, so it’s a little tribute to her.

Good thing you got her out! Hopefully any relatives also! This Sudan is probably one of the biggest hell holes on this planet! And has been for quite a while!

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

Thanks but I can’t really take credit, she escaped successfully on her own because she was facing political persecution for standing up for human rights, I was just lucky enough to meet her afterwards.

It’s exactly that kind of turmoil that can make these land races unattainable and potentially become extinct, not to diminish all the obvious harm to the people and the land that war brings. This is why I hope to be able to do a controlled pollination, to help prevent another land race extinction if I can and maybe find something interesting for myself in the process. Maybe someday someone will do a big collection of land races with intent to work them all, and maybe they’ll need some of my seeds, which I would be happy to donate to the cause.

Anyway, politics has never been anything but a downer to me, so i’ll switch gears and wish you a happy weekend, hopefully I’ll have some more positive pics and posts for you soon.

 

[Oldchucky]

If you’re still there, did you do anything special to germinate those seeds? Or just germinate them like the modern seeds?

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

If you’re still there, did you do anything special to germinate those seeds? Or just germinate them like the modern seeds?

I did a couple things differently with these.

1) I soaked them in hydrogen peroxide for about five hours. This is meant to kill off any bacteria on the seeds and to hopefully kill off any bacteria within the seed and it’s also supposed to stimulate the seed to germinate. Because they’re from a dry climate they may be more susceptible to damping off and other moisture related issues.

2) No further soaking in water and no wrapping in paper towels. They went from the H2O2 straight into damp soil.

3) I made my soil a little looser than usual, but I don’t think that was necessary.

4) I used a heating pad under the solo cups. I recommend this for hot region seedlings.

I’m getting older and have become a little lazy and usually like to keep it simple when I can, so I prefer hands off gardening. That said, these plants are getting pampered and under my watchful eye as if it was my first grow, . In many ways it is because I have never grown anything quite like these specimens before. Hopefully I don’t have females each trying to outgrow a 4 x 4 space like the other poster mentioned.

 

[Oldchucky]

Right on! The first grow analogy works! Gotta keep things fresh!

 

[Swayzee]

Thanks for the feedback.

3 out of 4 females is great!

My veg room is currently 20/4, maybe that will make a difference?
There’s not a whole lot of information about this particular strain, some have said they couldn’t stop the flowering and others have said anything over 18 hours of light will keep them in veg.
If they flower in veg and I can’t stop it, I will let them finish but that will be the end of the plant. I need something I can take clones from.
My best guess is that it will vary from seed to seed, but I will definitely find out soon enough.

I don’t expect any of the land races to compare to today’s poly hybrids because they’ve just been bred for high THC content over everything else. I’ve grown so many lanky OG crosses etc. that wouldn’t survive in the wild because they just can’t hold their own weight and collapse into the dirt during flower. I just use it as an example of a trade-off for really high THC content. Other trade-offs are less obvious until we get better at identifying, measuring and understanding all the cannabinoids.

There’s growing support for the idea that some of the more medicinal cannabinoids have been lost or at least severely reduced in the poly hybrids in the quest for high THC and high yielding strains.
Natural resistance and defences against insects is something else we may have been trading off.

That said, I still run poly hybrids . I’m currently running some polys from seed, some polys from clone(a permanent marker that I can’t imagine giving up), some autos (polys), a Durban poison reeking of lemon cleaner and now these Sudanese. My garden welcomes all except hermies

Finally, I chose Sudanese because like your ex, my wife is Sudanese, so it’s a little tribute to her.

Lucky man, Sudanese people are really beautiful. Hopefully the war ends soon and any family there are safe.

Yeah it is an interesting strain/ environment. Most other places that close to the equator are much more tropical like south america or south india. Even ethiopia and kenya are slightly greener.

I was sad about not getting clones but i did pollinate one of the females with the male so i have a good stock. Curious to see what breeding with some photos/ polys will do. I also have a Permanet marker x grandi candi (Candi Chrome from Lit farms) that i love, probably one of the best plants i’ve grown so far.

Cheers excited to see how your grow turns out

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

Lucky man, Sudanese people are really beautiful. Hopefully the war ends soon and any family there are safe.

Yeah it is an interesting strain/ environment. Most other places that close to the equator are much more tropical like south america or south india. Even ethiopia and kenya are slightly greener.

I was sad about not getting clones but i did pollinate one of the females with the male so i have a good stock. Curious to see what breeding with some photos/ polys will do. I also have a Permanet marker x grandi candi (Candi Chrome from Lit farms) that i love, probably one of the best plants i’ve grown so far.

Cheers excited to see how your grow turns out

Thanks for your kind words, we did manage to get all her immediate family out in time.

I chose the Sudanese plant also because of the potential flavours but mostly looking for a “semi-auto” that might be controllable indoors. Will also run some outdoors this year if I get a chance.

Yeah, that permanent marker is something else .
A plant that is capable of producing so many different flavours and smells just blows my mind continually. From flowers to lemons and oranges, pineapple, all manner of berries, candy, gas, diesel, menthol, mint , marker, pine, hash, earth,…..etc etc !!! Crazy!

I have high hopes of breeding some land races with a poly or two but definitely with some autos just for the fun of the experiment. Auto flowers that hit 10 feet that might be the next big craze!!

I will keep posting as the grow progresses, hopefully I don’t F*** things up now that I have an audience,… You know what happens when you’re a kid and yell at everyone to ”look at me!!” while you attempt some dumb new thing,.. that’s when you fall flat on your face and everyone has a good laugh at your expense

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

As expected, not much to post but we’re at the two week mark so I’ll show what little progress there has been.

I have officially given up on the 10th seed so we are 9 for 12 with seedlings, final answer.

It’s early to say if there are very noticeable differences, but so far they seem fairly similar with the exception of two (on the left ) showing fairly rounded leaves.

They just got watered and seem happy enough other than some leaf crinkle, but this happens with my other seedlings sometimes in the same soil and they always pull through without any major or permanent issues. I suspect the soil has just a little too much nutrients but I’m not really worried yet .

I don’t want to baby them much longer, I was really concerned about germination rates more than anything else. So I will be removing the heating pad shortly. I don’t think it would be as effective in a 5 gallon pot and I don’t want plants that can’t grow without a heat pad anyway. No matter how great a plant is, I’m not interested if it needs constant “hand-holding” and might cost me a fortune in heating bills.
That includes plants that need lots of maintenance during flower. I’ve had many OG crosses that needed almost every branch to be supported because they couldn’t hold their own weight.

That said, I would be OK with caging a great sativa as I do expect them to possibly be a bit spindly.

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

Also, I’m now thinking weekly updates might be a little boring and bi-weekly updates might be more appropriate. At least that way there would be more significant development in the plants.
I would still be happy to respond to anyone at any time but would just post pictures and notes less often.

 

[Oldchucky]

However, you want to do it! I’m in! Appreciate you posting!

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

Well, we are about 2 1/2 weeks in and no significant change except for maybe one new set of leaves on each.
They each have three nodes, although the top nodes are still just small leaves.

I turned off the heating pad about two days ago and they seem to be doing fine without it so far. I didn’t mind running it for seedlings, but if the plant needs it from start to finish, it won’t be welcome in my room.

Maybe it’s a little early to say and they’re not all the same, but these sure do look like they have some Indica influence don’t they?

 

[Oldchucky]

Good job! Look nice and healthy! And I think it’s a little early to make any judgments! May not sativa – up till they get a little older. Give them a month or two! In my limited experience, there isn’t a whole lot of variation in seedlings. So far so good brother! Still waiting with fingers crossed to see if my beans make it through the postal gauntlet!

 

[Spliffy.Twojoints]

Good job! Look nice and healthy! And I think it’s a little early to make any judgments! May not sativa – up till they get a little older. Give them a month or two! In my limited experience, there isn’t a whole lot of variation in seedlings. So far so good brother! Still waiting with fingers crossed to see if my beans make it through the postal gauntlet!

Thanks, and point taken, they are pretty early still.

It’s funny you mentioned the “postal gauntlet” because when I ordered mine they were shipped right before we had a two month strike at the post office. You know, right before Christmas when they’re desperately needed.
Anyway, mine sat at the post office in England for two months before making the trip over here and into my cups.
So, good luck with your beans

 

[Mikedin]

As the title says, I’m going to do my best to document a grow of Sudanese, if any of the 12 regular seeds germinate.

This is my first grow journal ever, so please excuse any oversight or mistakes and feel free to point them out. Also, please feel welcome to follow and add your own experiences growing landrace strains from anywhere around the world, indoor or out.

I won’t be updating every day as there will be very little change from one day to the next, but I will update over some regular interval, maybe once a week.

I have many years of experience with indoor and out, photos and autos, feminized and regular. That said, this is my first time attempting a landrace, so hopefully all my experience will help me through what may be a difficult grow. The parts I have trouble with, I’m hoping to find support from some other experienced growers.

The plants don’t have a super long flowering time but they are classified as semiauto by some. This is a misnomer, as the plants are photo periods with no Ruderallis genes whatsoever but they can flip to flower with less than 18 hours of light, approximately.
Hopefully they don’t grow too tall, although I’m in an open room and not in a tent I still have 7 foot ceilings to contend with.

I am following germination techniques as directed by Angus over at The Real Seed Company. The seeds were soaked for a few hours in hydrogen peroxide and then dropped into my seedling soil mix, hopefully it’s not too hot for them. As the soil dries out I will be watering, but I’m hoping to see some sprouts before I need to water again.

As far as pots , I plan to upsize anything that grows in the solo cups into 5 gallon bags. Apparently there’s a danger of triggering flowering due to being root bound, so I will need to keep an eye on the solo cups.

As far as soil, I’m starting with a mix of pro mix HP, earthworm castings, Gaia Green all purpose 4-4-4, Gaia Green glacial rock dust, and some additional perlite to fluff up the mixture.
When going into flower, I will be using a similar mix but I will add Gaia Green power bloom 2-8-4.

These are all organic dry amendment ingredients, I will only be adding tap water if all goes well. I may have to top dress, but that remains to be seen. I will not be dechlorinating the water or pH anything.

As far as lighting, I will start with fluorescent tubes, t10 or 12, I forget which but they are “daylight” bulbs rated in the range of 6500 K.
Flowering may be under LED or HPS, depending which has space available at the time.

As far as pics, I don’t have much to offer yet except the seeds soaking and then the solo cups with seeds in them and ready to go.

Here for the organic fun! Looks like you’re off to a great start! I loved running the Gaia with promix and my other amendments. Always got great results only changed it up recently but won’t be ditching any of my mix notes anytime soon!