Hi, Again 🙂.. Advice please !

[Drew69]

I’m running out of room, well height really !

The girls are about 150mm away from the the light ! Do I keep trying to LST or turn the lights down ? 3 weeks since switch, first time farmer

 

[Gmix]

That’s 5.91” or so Siri say

Both I expect you can’t say one way or the other without being there however 5.91” is far to close.

Normally your looking to have them 24-36” away so yeah I guess both

The only good news is they should of stopped stretching after week two so that’s the tallest there going to get

That said how many watts is the light & at what % is it at

 

[amneziaHaze]

you got a lot of empty room there.if they are bendable why not

 

[Drew69]

That’s 5.91” or so Siri say

Both I expect you can’t say one way or the other without being there however 5.91” is far to close.

Normally your looking to have them 24-36” away so yeah I guess both

The only good news is they should of stopped stretching after week two so that’s the tallest there going to get

That said how many watts is the light & at what % is it at

Hey, sorry for delay in responding ! So, I am using an IONFRAME EV04 300 watts running at 90%. I have tried to bend them a little, so I’ve got about an 8-10” gap. Some of the sugar leaves are changing colour ? What should I do ? Ta Drew

 

[Drew69]

Pics just taken

 

[Gmix]

Hi bud no worries I haven’t had much time myself

there probably yellowing from the light
We’d call it bleaching

You could dim the light down to the lower setting other than that or bending there’s not a lot you can do.

 

[amneziaHaze]

What are you feeding them and is that soil?lot of your bottom leafs have yellow lines between the veins. Is that from a problem you had before or is that new?
Any leafs at the bottom in shadow look dry and kind of brown

 

[Drew69]

What are you feeding them and is that soil?lot of your bottom leafs have yellow lines between the veins. Is that from a problem you had before or is that new?
Any leafs at the bottom in shadow look dry and kind of brown

Thanks for reply. They are in an organic mix of good quality compost, perlite and worm castings. Roughly even split ! Was feeding BioBizz Bio-Grow, since switching 4 weeks ago using Bio-Bloom. Also been adding a preventive dose of cal mag. No, the lower Leaf issue is newish.

 

[Galgrows]

Looking better Drew69 good job bending. What i've learned also besides the light factor is keep feeding about a quarter as much N with the bloom seems to help my early yellowing also. Best of luck.

 

[amneziaHaze]

Thanks for reply. They are in an organic mix of good quality compost, perlite and worm castings. Roughly even split ! Was feeding BioBizz Bio-Grow, since switching 4 weeks ago using Bio-Bloom. Also been adding a preventive dose of cal mag. No, the lower Leaf issue is newish.

i dont have much exp in organic soo maybe with time it will come but maybe a higher preventative dose

 

[fishmon]

Bend them down. Ala super crop if need be.

 

[Drew69]

Thanks guys, I’ll make some adjustments

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

LOL here we go again.

That's not light burn.


I have well fed happy plants preying into prob 1200ppfd rn. 95w full spectrum panels on 100%, two of them in a 32x32 tent.

If they're well fed and growing into it on their own, flowering plants can take a lot more light than most people around here think



This is what my outdoor plants see for hours straight every day outside. This wasn't even taken at midday

And yeah I'm using an app, but here's the same app on the same phone reading from that position on my grow light. A top that's probably getting twice as much light as anything in your tent

If I wasn't holding the phone at an awkward angle off center, I would have actually gotten a good bit higher, and more accurate reading too.

P.s. I respond to new grower DMs

 

[Drew69]

LOL here we go again.

That's not light burn.


I have well fed happy plants preying into prob 1200ppfd rn. 95w full spectrum panels on 100%, two of them in a 32x32 tent.
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If they're well fed and growing into it on their own, flowering plants can take a lot more light than most people around here think



This is what my outdoor plants see for hours straight every day outside. This wasn't even taken at midday

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And yeah I'm using an app, but here's the same app on the same phone reading from that position on my grow light. A top that's probably getting twice as much light as anything in your tent

If I wasn't holding the phone at an awkward angle off center, I would have actually gotten a good bit higher, and more accurate reading too.

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P.s. I respond to new grower DMs

Thanks, for that…. So a nutrient issue ?

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Thanks, for that…. So a nutrient issue ?

If youre running a synthetic feed regiment, judging by the total lack of brown tips or margins (serrated edges) id say shes just hungry.

I dont see any leaf curl or excessively raised ridges that would imply a lockout or anything.

Maybe a little warm or a little too much air movement, she has some raised up margins.


They will prob also look less yellowy if you snap a phjoto with a flash in the darkness. A lot of times the full spectrum panels can throw off what a plant looks like a bit. If you snap a dark photo or put it in natural sunlight, often a slightly yellowy sativa like this will all of a sudden look just fine. can be a trip to do lol. Thats why i posted light and dark shots both of my plants

my land race sativas look super yellow under a full spectrum panel when sitting right next to an indica.

 

[amneziaHaze]

LOL here we go again.

That's not light burn.


I have well fed happy plants preying into prob 1200ppfd rn. 95w full spectrum panels on 100%, two of them in a 32x32 tent.
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If they're well fed and growing into it on their own, flowering plants can take a lot more light than most people around here think



This is what my outdoor plants see for hours straight every day outside. This wasn't even taken at midday

View attachment 2413296


And yeah I'm using an app, but here's the same app on the same phone reading from that position on my grow light. A top that's probably getting twice as much light as anything in your tent

If I wasn't holding the phone at an awkward angle off center, I would have actually gotten a good bit higher, and more accurate reading too.

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P.s. I respond to new grower DMs

Sun and led dont show same numbers.sun has more colors making it show bigger numbers.led would burn your house down at same numbers

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Sun and led dont show same numbers.sun has more colors making it show bigger numbers.led would burn your house down at same numbers

you completely miss the point im making Like definition of swing and a miss.



My only point is that light isnt burning or bleaching his plant. And thats actually an inarguable fact.

Nowhere now, in the past, or ever will i recommend someone try and put 4500 ppfd on a plant indoors. Even implying thats what i meant is so past stupid it's absurb beyond all logic or comprehension


it's ok to be incorrect, and it's ok to not double down and try and offhandedly discredit someone that doesnt agree with you. Especially when they back their statements up with fact and evidence. It's part of being an adult and interacting with other adults. Especially veterans of a field that have spent a long time making a living in said field, on a public forum, geared towards newcomers being able to access the experience and information available with veteran growers.


i see people that dont even know what the word etiolated mean, tell people with etiolated plants at under 300ppfd in flower, that theyre giving too much light and burning them and to back off their light intensity. All the time. Pretty much every singkle time i pop out of the trainwreck into open forum actually. Hence starting that first message with "here we go again".


3 things new growers struggle very hard to totally grasp:

The relationship of light intensity with nutrient ratios and levels. transitional periods vs plants doing math (lol). And the relationship of light, light leaks, and photoperiod to hermie plants.

All 3 of these things are constantly get misunderstood, and propagated incorrectly through misaprehension of the the information contained within, and new growers run with it as law.

When you have a hungry plant, and backing off the lighht makes it less hungry, what you have not done is fix the problem, and it had nothing to do with light intensity. You ahave to increase feed levels to compensate for extra intense light, and you CANNOT do this if you dont know how to properly dial in nutrient ratios, or build a proper living soil from the ground up.


a well fed plant can take in excess of 2500ppfd if temps and humidity are managed properly, and it can do that without burning or bleaching so long as you have everything dialed in properly and actually understand the variables you are playing with


ive had colas the size of my bicep 1 foot from un-dimmed 1kw HPS lights getting ~2000~ppfd on too many occasions to count in my growing career. Running cool tubes and directed HVAC to manage temps and humidity. Its fine if your plants are truly thriving. Its ideal actually. A poorly dialed in plant would get cooked with permanent damage in those conditions in about 12 hours. But the problem there is not the intensity of the light. That's like putting a glow plug in a standard engine and being pissed off that it won't run on diesel now. That isn't how this works.


Here's what a top Bud flowered at about 1600 ppfd under an LED looks like. And I had to pull this plant two weeks early because I'm moving this weekend....

 

[amneziaHaze]

you completely miss the point im making Like definition of swing and a miss.



My only point is that light isnt burning or bleaching his plant. And thats actually an inarguable fact.

Nowhere now, in the past, or ever will i recommend someone try and put 4500 ppfd on a plant indoors. Even implying thats what i meant is so past stupid it's absurb beyond all logic or comprehension


it's ok to be incorrect, and it's ok to not double down and try and offhandedly discredit someone that doesnt agree with you. Especially when they back their statements up with fact and evidence. It's part of being an adult and interacting with other adults. Especially veterans of a field that have spent a long time making a living in said field, on a public forum, geared towards newcomers being able to access the experience and information available with veteran growers.


i see people that dont even know what the word etiolated mean, tell people with etiolated plants at under 300ppfd in flower, that theyre giving too much light and burning them and to back off their light intensity. All the time. Pretty much every singkle time i pop out of the trainwreck into open forum actually. Hence starting that first message with "here we go again".


3 things new growers struggle very hard to totally grasp:

The relationship of light intensity with nutrient ratios and levels. transitional periods vs plants doing math (lol). And the relationship of light, light leaks, and photoperiod to hermie plants.

All 3 of these things are constantly get misunderstood, and propagated incorrectly through misaprehension of the the information contained within, and new growers run with it as law.

When you have a hungry plant, and backing off the lighht makes it less hungry, what you have not done is fix the problem, and it had nothing to do with light intensity. You ahave to increase feed levels to compensate for extra intense light, and you CANNOT do this if you dont know how to properly dial in nutrient ratios, or build a proper living soil from the ground up.


a well fed plant can take in excess of 2500ppfd if temps and humidity are managed properly, and it can do that without burning or bleaching so long as you have everything dialed in properly and actually understand the variables you are playing with


ive had colas the size of my bicep 1 foot from un-dimmed 1kw HPS lights getting ~2000~ppfd on too many occasions to count in my growing career. Running cool tubes and directed HVAC to manage temps and humidity. Its fine if your plants are truly thriving. Its ideal actually. A poorly dialed in plant would get cooked with permanent damage in those conditions in about 12 hours. But the problem there is not the intensity of the light. That's like putting a glow plug in a standard engine and being pissed off that it won't run on diesel now. That isn't how this works.


Here's what a top Bud flowered at about 1600 ppfd under an LED looks like. And I had to pull this plant two weeks early because I'm moving....

not reading a novel.
i just added soo when somebody is reading and has a meter and doesnt know tryies to match the sun they dont fuck their plants.
now what you achived with your strain is totally specific to you and that strain and there is no way every plant will accept your 2500ppfd

i wonder how much yield you got on 2500. i got on 700ppfd 1.5g soo you might be geting 5g?

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

not reading a novel.
i just added soo when somebody is reading and has a meter and doesnt know tryies to match the sun they dont fuck their plants.
now what you achived with your strain is totally specific to you and that strain and there is no way every plant will accept your 2500ppfd

i wonder how much yield you got on 2500. i got on 700ppfd 1.5g soo you might be geting 5g?

Why are you on a text-based social and communication platform if you don't want to read? Go to YouTube


I dont have any plants at 2500 ppfd right now. Im not even running HPS right now.

My most intense lit top right now is probably 1200ppfd


maybe dont skim a post filled with valid, useful, and accurate information to find bits you can use to try and attack my credibility over, maybe try to actually understand what im saying instead of letting your ego feel threatened. I have one of those I can brandish too, man i read your book like 3 months ago brother. you can keep trying top attack my credibility and knowledge and i will continue to eat your perspectives and lack of experience for breakfast lol.



And no, that ability to take high ppfd isnt strain specific or most the plants you put outside under the sun would die rather quickly. The ability to take high PPFD is based entirely on the nutrient requirements of a plant and whether or not they are being properly met. Lineage will affect that, but not enough to matter indoors or outdoors either one.

ive never come across a plant i could wean into light intensity under an LED at or above 1000ppfd quite easily. so long as the plant was dialed in and thriving and i wasnt hiding the health of the plant from my own eyes by low lighting it.


Oh, and That 5.2g bud would prob be about 2-3 g under 600-800. yes. Ive grown that particular cultivar for over a decade now actually. Pretty familiar with her. I have plants that dont make buds that big under the same light intensity, yes. Can they take that light intensity with benefit though? Yes. They can, if properly dialed in at the root zone.

 

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