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Did I ruin these by putting outside too soon?

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Did I ruin these by putting outside too soon?

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#21
Right on Phoenix! Hell yeah throw the extra ones in outside to see what happens! It will be a good learning experience in photo period Plants. You may wind up with something. You never know till you try! I’m up near Redbluff, California! It hit 117 here last summer and it’s usually about 5 to 7° cooler here than in Phoenix all summer! But I wouldn’t grow anywhere else! Check in with us. What’s going on with those outdoor ones every once in a while if you can.😁 Will be interesting to see if they re-veg. If you get them that far. And it’s a good way to find out That you never want to deal with an outdoor reveg if you can avoid it!😂👍
 
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Ok, so the plants i put outside have been doing much better than I expected. They are kind of like autoflowers in that they started flowering very early.

Here's what they look like now.
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#23
The problem is, unlike auto flowers, with the day is getting longer now they will never finish! They will stall out, and it will just turn into a big pissing contest! In my experience!
 
#24
👆👆👆that's true what he says we've had experience with it. So now it's gonna be wait and see hope your daylight time says short for the next 8wks. Mine get 14hrs in June where i'm at.
 
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Ninjadogma said:
A bit long but I hope this helps someone.

I do outdoor growing with photos year round but it's only possible because I use supplemental lighting. Just gotta work out your schedule and know how long your days are at that particular time of year and set your supplemental lighting to fill in the gaps.

Heres an example: I flipped on December 15 so days were their shortest of the year and were going to get longer as I moved closer to harvest. So I set the light in the shed to come on at sunset and turn off at 7pm and then come back on at 7am where I take them outside into the sun somewhere around 7:30. That way their days are a fixed length even as the day lengths are changing at both ends.

Easy easy right? But wait, I also have plants in veg and I only have one light, how da fuq can I do both?

Good news... If you don't mind having to adjust your timer periodically, it's very doable. I put the flowering plants in for light at dusk and the lights go out around 7pm. Then at 10pm when it's time for bed I pull the flowering plants out into dark night, put the vegging plants inside and turn on the light which I turn off manually in the morning and take the vegging plants out for the day. But you have to remember the days are getting longer and the flowers are waking up to earlier mornings so that evening shutoff time has to be adjusted periodically to keep it roughly at that 12 hour mark. With this strategy, my flowering plants get exactly 12 hours of light and my vegging plants get 19 hours.
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@Ninjadogma - I see a potential problem with this approach ... PESTS. You don't want to bring outdoor critters into you inside grow.
 
#27
By my calculations, these plants have approximately 4 weeks left to go. They are 8 weeks old tomorrow. IF they don't stall out in flowering, in about 5 weeks I will harvest my tent crop, and at that time I could move these plants into the tent and let them finish there as they will. My only deadline is that I'm heading to Bonaire in mid-June, and I have to have all plants harvested, dried and beginning the cure stage before I leave. So I could probably leave these in a tent for a month.
 
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phxazcraig said:
I've grown indoors, but not outdoors, so I made a stupid mistake this year. For my indoor grow, which I try to start in January to be done for summer travel season, I tried to germinate 4 seeds out of 5 I had. I screwed up and only got 3 seeds to germinate, so I went out and got need seeds for a second attempt. (I need 4 plants to grow, no more, no less.)

That left me with three small plants in solo cups that I grew for about 3 weeks. I was going to axe them as I couldn't find anyone to take them, and I have four new plants for the indoor grow. I decided to stick them in pots and put them in the backyard to see what happens. I'm in Phoenix, and it's basically spring here now, with daytime temps in the 70's.

So they've been in the back yard since mid-January, and they seemed very spindly compared to my indoor grow. Very stretched. And then I noticed. I had some female pistils appearing on these photoperiod feminized plants. I had put them outside when the night/day cycle was about 12 hours on, 12 hours off. So they kicked into flowering like an autoflower, except the days are getting longer. I was not expecting flowering to start until October.

What's going to happen to these plants? Will they un-flower and go back to veg? Will they complete flowering? Will they go herm?

These are throw-away plants, so nothing that happens to them really matters, and it's unlikely I'd have grown them all the way through October anyway.
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That happened to me, when I got some indoor plants and moved them to patio containers. They went into flower and also the leaf pattern changed with single leafs and alternating nodes. It took about 3 weeks, but they did settle down, re-veged and grew on another two feet. And then flowered at the end of the season.
Interestingly, the little flowers from that first bloom actually were quite good, even though they were immature and not frosty looking.
So, consider it a pre-view harvest, and just keep tending those babies and you'll most likely have some decent buds to harvest in the fall.
 
#29
jimbochicago said:
That happened to me, when I got some indoor plants and moved them to patio containers. They went into flower and also the leaf pattern changed with single leafs and alternating nodes. It took about 3 weeks, but they did settle down, re-veged and grew on another two feet. And then flowered at the end of the season.
Interestingly, the little flowers from that first bloom actually were quite good, even though they were immature and not frosty looking.
So, consider it a pre-view harvest, and just keep tending those babies and you'll most likely have some decent buds to harvest in the fall.
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(Or actually, they'll bloom before then if they're autos!)
 
#30
April 16 and they're still flowering, though it looks like foxtailing in places. All three are the same height as previous photo, but have put on a tremendous amount of bud weight. Crossing fingers for 2 more weeks.
 
#31
Update. I think I've pushed as far as seems sensible. I'll probably harvest this weekend. plants are showing foxtails, so perhaps revegging.

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#34
phxazcraig said:
I've grown indoors, but not outdoors, so I made a stupid mistake this year. For my indoor grow, which I try to start in January to be done for summer travel season, I tried to germinate 4 seeds out of 5 I had. I screwed up and only got 3 seeds to germinate, so I went out and got need seeds for a second attempt. (I need 4 plants to grow, no more, no less.)

That left me with three small plants in solo cups that I grew for about 3 weeks. I was going to axe them as I couldn't find anyone to take them, and I have four new plants for the indoor grow. I decided to stick them in pots and put them in the backyard to see what happens. I'm in Phoenix, and it's basically spring here now, with daytime temps in the 70's.

So they've been in the back yard since mid-January, and they seemed very spindly compared to my indoor grow. Very stretched. And then I noticed. I had some female pistils appearing on these photoperiod feminized plants. I had put them outside when the night/day cycle was about 12 hours on, 12 hours off. So they kicked into flowering like an autoflower, except the days are getting longer. I was not expecting flowering to start until October.

What's going to happen to these plants? Will they un-flower and go back to veg? Will they complete flowering? Will they go herm?

These are throw-away plants, so nothing that happens to them really matters, and it's unlikely I'd have grown them all the way through October anyway.
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no they are gona be fucked without light sup, if you want to grow seeds and not have to supplement light you would want to start in end of may or beginning of june, if they flower and then re veg they won't be as good as if you started over. You almost always have to supplement light outdoors until you want them to start flowering. Which doesnt take much, simply leaving a porch light on until midnight will work, or a small flood light clipped near by,
 
#35
Ok, harvested today! I probably should have clipped them earlier as they were definitely foxtailing. But for throwaways, I got much more than expected, though I don't know how potent it will be. Here is the main part of Collette, the bigger one. Branch as much weight, but in several stems. (I did not prune or crop these plants.) The stunted one, Budlette, was one beefy bud.

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I literally did nothing to these plants once I got them out of solo cups into some spare pots. Every day I took some runoff from the indoor crop and gave some to the plants. The rest went to plants in the yard. This was the first time I've ever grown a crop outdoors, so some learning there.

I'm thinking of doing it again next year, but starting the plants earlier and givi g them a couple of weeks in the tent to get a little bigger. Then I put them out in mud January here, which will force an immediate flowering. Then I just do my usual 4x4 crop inside and use the runoff to feed the outdoor crop. Harvest by April 1, and I get a crop in, without going through a Phoenix summer. I get some added bud with almost zero effort.
 
#36
OK, the experiment is mostly over. I'm drying the harvest now. I have no idea how potent it will be, but I got much more yield in weight than I expected. (Have not weighed yet either). I'll guess at 3/4 pound, dry. And a bit leafy.

There is set of circumstances that led me to do this, but it turned out well enough that I may plan on repeating it. I'd never really had the chance to do this with previous crops, because I'd often get 4 seeds out of 5 to germinate, and in any case just 1 (probably the runt) plant didn't give me the idea to do anything but get rid of it. But this year, when I tried to get my usual at-least-4-of-5 seeds to germinate, I only got 2 healthy ones, and a runt. I then replaced my seed crop with a new batch, but I used a local seed bank this time. Instead of a 5-seed package, they sold 6-seed packages - and all 6 sprouted healthy.

So this year I had 6 good plants from one batch and 2 1/2 from another. With 4 1/2 plants (all in solo cups at this stage) extra, I just didn't want to throw them all away. The seeds cost me over $50 for the first 5.

I found a home for the 2 new spares, and I haven't checked in on them. They went into the ground in a backyard. That left me with the 2 1/2 plants (2 plus a runt).

I had 6 airpots but only use 4, and I had all of last year's old coco coir outside. So I filled the 2 spare pots with old coco coir, and found another old port for the runt and filled that too. Planted the three, and this was the result.

In the future I will go back to the seed bank (in Tempe, AZ) and get another 6-pack. My plan will be to have 2 spares to put into my spare airpots and do this all again. But I need to get things started earlier, and it would benefit me to have the plants be larger when they go outside. As soon as they go out, they will be in flowering lighting, and my guess is that I should try to harvest early in April.

The beauty of this is that I simply use my cast-offs for every part of this outdoor grow, from the coco to the pots to the nutrients. I have a bucket (3 gallons) of nutrients to throw away every day, and that means every plant around the house gets a lot of nutrition each spring. Some cacti bloom that never would otherwise, and everything gets healthy.
 
#37
Still haven't weighed the crop, because humidity in the Grove bag is about 69%. I'll dry down to 65% and weigh. I'm guessing half a pound.

Over 3 weeks since I harvested, and the crop was dry enough to smoke a bud and judge the strength. Taste was surprisingly smooth, though not yet cured. I got a nice, slow dry this year, and the buds weren't dry enough to bag up for 2 weeks, which is a record for me here in Arizona. And the strength was also decent - I think this plant likes sunlight!
 
#38
Final yield: 4 Oz. Not great, but it's 1/4 pound more than I would have got from throwing out the seedlings, and I really put zero effort into growing these. My 4x4 tent produced 24 Oz's.
 
#39
Nice!

A few years back I started some seeds in January (testing the previous years chuck). It was a dry winter. Can’t remember when I harvested but here it was June 11.

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