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[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

A tour of my funky modular flowering setup, and explanation why I do it this way when I can.

Once I settle on a circuit and panel (which I have)for it I'm going to build the power supply and boosters into a wooden chassis with nice little knobs/pots that sits outside the tent in the lung space and set the other flower tent up the exact same way. Then go abouts finding a suitable cool/blue/white leaning generic panel to do the same with a veg space

Shout out to those cats who remember making our own LED bars 1 diode at a time and running them off homemade janky unregulated linear supplies to try and get sun like full spectrum supplementation with low heat on our HPS setups when all the brands were still making Blurple stuffs as flagship products lol.

 

[Mikedin]

Trees are waking up nactarines and honeycrisp apple say hello spring

Raspberries are bushing up nice after I cut them back and cleaned em out inside they look spectacular, also moved 10 chutes from this bed to my 3x3 raised beds in the garden

 

[Mikedin]

A tour of my funky modular flowering setup, and explanation why I do it this way when I can.

Once I settle on a circuit and panel (which I have)for it I'm going to build the power supply and boosters into a wooden chassis with nice little knobs/pots that sits outside the tent in the lung space and set the other flower tent up the exact same way. Then go abouts finding a suitable cool/blue/white leaning generic panel to do the same with a veg space

Agreed! I like these barrina grow bars they were $80 for 8 20w bars that can link or run individually or whatever combo of amount of em you want, I zip tied 5 to a old piece of wire shelf and hung it from the ceiling, made my own bar light power is just a cord that goes into the first light that has a switch that plugs right into the outlet, the spiderfarmer SF600 I use to veg the 2x4has a little 12 volt power brick like for a laptop 65w I believe is what the light pulls (3 more barrina bars on the bottom shelf for more veggie seedlings)

I don’t put em under big lights in pots bigger than a gallon until I’m ready to e m explode but they’ll sit like these 2 for 5-6 months under low power, close, with a small pot, but as soon as you up pot em… watch out haha, even under the low power they’ll take off

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Agreed! I like these barrina grow bars they were $80 for 8 20w bars that can link or run individually or whatever combo of amount of em you want, I zip tied 5 to a old piece of wire shelf and hung it from the ceiling, made my own bar light power is just a cord that goes into the first light that has a switch that plugs right into the outlet, the spiderfarmer SF600 I use to veg the 2x4has a little 12 volt power brick like for a laptop 65w I believe is what the light pulls (3 more barrina bars on the bottom shelf for more veggie seedlings)

I don’t put em under big lights in pots bigger than a gallon until I’m ready to e m explode but they’ll sit like these 2 for 5-6 months under low power, close, with a small pot, but as soon as you up pot em… watch out haha, even under the low power they’ll take off

I think I'm about to buy this to see how shitty it is. Been eyeing it and the feedback for it for a minute now.


Full spectrum but very white leaning. You can get away with much lower intensity in that 5000-6500k region and still keep happy plants and tight node spacings.

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[closettrapper217]

Probably a stress response??

Idk what would cause the same stress over multiple grows in multiple houses in multiple tents. With other strains that don’t herm.

From what I understand it is a stress response but it’s more genetic. Like breathing on a plant lol

But if you wanna be cheap like me running f1s and all your friends new crosses and shit it’s just something you gotta keep an eye on I guess haha

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Idk what would cause the same stress over multiple grows in multiple houses in multiple tents. With other strains that don’t herm.

From what I understand it is a stress response but it’s more genetic. Like breathing on a plant lol

But if you wanna be cheap like me running f1s and all your friends new crosses and shit it’s just something you gotta keep an eye on I guess haha

If it was a feminized seed that's something you have to keep your eye on in general with feminized seed no matter where they come from or how they're made unless you know for sure that whoever made the seeds is intentionally avoiding stacking recessive genes on top of each other through inbreeding

Feminized seed can only come from hermaphrodite pollen. That's how theyre made (over generalized a bit, but very true)

Your friend's non inbred crosses are going to be more Hermie resistant even if feminized than anything that crossed and fully stabilized from a seed bank. Fact. Doesn't mean you won't see them though especially if they're feminized crosses. And especially if they haven't been there with that plant through the development of its lineage to know what kind of recessive traits are within it

Some of those crosses from your friends are probably going to be from plants that just happened to Hermie next to each other and we're both feminized seed. Hermes only come from genetics but it is absolutely a stress response yes. But it is a recessive thing. Both parents have to have it whether it's expressed or not for it to express in The offspring.

Too much recessive gene stacking in a feminized lineage's genealogy and you'll likely end up with plants that have a Hermie stress response if you so much as look at them wrong or even barely overfeed them or get em too dry. Even if they have no visual stress indicators aside from Hermie

The thing is, that the willingness of some lineages to go Hermie even without any major stress involved, that's not actually the fault of the grower but the fault of the breeder. And I say this as someone who tinkers with breeding pretty often and has for a long time.

I can say with pretty strong certainty that the peace blaster fem f2 will likely have more easily hermade plants in it than the other fem crosses I sent simply because of the inbreeding it takes to stabilize plants. But I also won't be taking any feminized generations further than that f2, I'll be taking it back to the reg side of things to run successive generations for stability before I ever make any more fem crosses with it. So if I make a fem cross between two identical females at the end of that I'm very unlikely to see more than a one in four to 1 in 10 Hermie rate because the recessive trait will only be stacked on itself once at that generation even though it's fully stabilized

I'd say on the queen being the banjo blaster you'll have a 1 in 10 easy heard me right, it's probably more like one in five on the piece blaster f2 though. And that's entirely because of the breeding it takes to make those seeds.

The reality is a lot of breeders don't even work with anything but females these days and treat the her ie thing as just something that's going to happen, a given, and then blame the growers when they're annoyed about it. That whole minor light leak causing nasty Hermie thing that was all over the early mid-2000s was literally breeder disinformation that was intentionally designed to get the people who bought their seeds to blame themselves for the shoddy breeding

 

[closettrapper217]

If it was a feminized seed that's something you have to keep your eye on in general with feminized seed no matter where they come from or how they're made unless you know for sure that whoever made the seeds is intentionally avoiding stacking recessive genes on top of each other through inbreeding

Feminized seed can only come from hermaphrodite pollen. That's how theyre made (over generalized a bit, but very true)

Your friend's non inbred crosses are going to be more Hermie resistant even if feminized than anything that crossed and fully stabilized from a seed bank. Fact. Doesn't mean you won't see them though especially if they're feminized crosses. And especially if they haven't been there with that plant through the development of its lineage to know what kind of recessive traits are within it

You’re so much better at getting the point across then me.

Basically what I was trying to say is you might as well get used to looking for herms. With eyes like a hawk lol

 

[Greenadian]

@Mikedin you can always find a use for the big and small seedling/clone domes. I purchased a smaller AC Infinity, came with thermostat on the heat mat, 2 strips of LED, 2 sets of sidewalls.
Now that the clones are a bit taller, and cut a few new fresh clones....I am using the larger dome kit....Love it!!!
I detached one strip and set on top of the big dome

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

You’re so much better at getting the point across then me.

Basically what I was trying to say is you might as well get used to looking for herms. With eyes like a hawk lol

I'm a rambler I actually have added even more to that post now

 

[closettrapper217]

My lil kitchen window sill is full of funky stuff. No lettuce unless it’s the devil’s lettuce you’re after. View attachment 2426201

I’m working on mine lol

The lights are brand new. I let the neighbors dogs out and feed them when they go out of town and she always buys me a gift. This time she got me lights that look like crippy haha

 

[closettrapper217]

I'm a rambler I actually have added even more to that post now

lol you do that all the time I’ve noticed I’ll read a post and see it later. It’ll be three times as long.haha thank God for the edit button lol

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

lol you do that all the time I’ve noticed I’ll read a post and see it later. It’ll be three times as long.haha thank God for the edit button lol

Everything is connected to everything else seamlessly and the more information you accumulate the more obvious that becomes.. I could spend all day rambling without a break, starting on growing weed and ending in the anatomy of boney fishes vs cartilaginous and the information stream would be pretty legible and seamless



Yea if that edit button wasnt there, id have double and triple posts everywhere. And sometimes i still do. Im very stumbly with my words vocally, and have to focus a lot to make sense, but i really enjoy writing, it becomes a flowy thing for me. When i edit, I just end up adding more info, or paraphrasing something i drew out too long usually though.

 

[closettrapper217]

If it was a feminized seed that's something you have to keep your eye on in general with feminized seed no matter where they come from or how they're made unless you know for sure that whoever made the seeds is intentionally avoiding stacking recessive genes on top of each other through inbreeding

Feminized seed can only come from hermaphrodite pollen. That's how theyre made (over generalized a bit, but very true)

Your friend's non inbred crosses are going to be more Hermie resistant even if feminized than anything that crossed and fully stabilized from a seed bank. Fact. Doesn't mean you won't see them though especially if they're feminized crosses. And especially if they haven't been there with that plant through the development of its lineage to know what kind of recessive traits are within it

Some of those crosses from your friends are probably going to be from plants that just happened to Hermie next to each other and we're both feminized seed. Hermes only come from genetics but it is absolutely a stress response yes. But it is a recessive thing. Both parents have to have it whether it's expressed or not for it to express in The offspring.

Too much recessive gene stacking in a feminized lineage's genealogy and you'll likely end up with plants that have a Hermie stress response if you so much as look at them wrong or even barely overfeed them or get em too dry. Even if they have no visual stress indicators aside from Hermie

The thing is, that the willingness of some lineages to go Hermie even without any major stress involved, that's not actually the fault of the grower but the fault of the breeder. And I say this as someone who tinkers with breeding pretty often and has for a long time.

I can say with pretty strong certainty that the peace blaster fem f2 will likely have more easily hermade plants in it than the other fem crosses I sent simply because of the inbreeding it takes to stabilize plants. But I also won't be taking any feminized generations further than that f2, I'll be taking it back to the reg side of things to run successive generations for stability before I ever make any more fem crosses with it. So if I make a fem cross between two identical females at the end of that I'm very unlikely to see more than a one in four to 1 in 10 Hermie rate because the recessive trait will only be stacked on itself once at that generation even though it's fully stabilized

I'd say on the queen being the banjo blaster you'll have a 1 in 10 easy heard me right, it's probably more like one in five on the piece blaster f2 though. And that's entirely because of the breeding it takes to make those seeds.

The reality is a lot of breeders don't even work with anything but females these days and treat the her ie thing as just something that's going to happen, a given, and then blame the growers when they're annoyed about it. That whole minor light leak causing nasty Hermie thing that was all over the early mid-2000s was literally breeder disinformation that was intentionally designed to get the people who bought their seeds to blame themselves for the shoddy breeding

I was literally just talking the other day people will hunt females out of 1000 plants, but hit it with the pollen from the first male they find lmao.

But for a company to grow out that many males that is 100% loss is a big ask lol

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I was literally just talking the other day people will hunt females out of 1000 plants, but hit it with the pollen from the first male they find lmao.

But for a company to grow out that many males that is 100% loss is a big ask lol

i weaned 15 males down to 5 this season. amnd one doesnt count because its a homogenous land race anyway lol. Expecting probably 2 or 3 ill actually run the pollen from, i want to see more expression before i use the early pollen on anything besides making a haymeadow reg f2. The haymeadow i ran last year was a chosen 1 of 4 male phenos. I hunt my males just like i hunt my females.


You gotta hunt through 30-50-80 female plants or more just to see all your phenotypic expression if the plants brought into the F1s werent already stable. that applies to males too


Just wait til you see the structure and symmetry on those fems and regs i sent ya when they get going in veg lmao. The males in their histopry were quite important for it, tbh.


Your choice of male is very important. If you let them fully express youll even notice some make glandular trichs pretty heavy, some dont, some branch out like females, others dont. Just like the females.

 

[closettrapper217]

i weaned 15 males down to 5 this season. amnd one doesnt count because its a homogenous land race anyway lol. Expecting probably 2 or 3 ill actually run the pollen from, i want to see more expression before i use the early pollen on anything besides making a haymeadow reg f2. The haymeadow i ran last year was a chosen 1 of 4 male phenos. I hunt my males just like i hunt my females.


You gotta hunt through 30-50-80 female plants or more just to see all your phenotypic expression if the plants brought into the F1s werent already stable. that applies to males too


Just wait til you see the structure and symmetry on those fems and regs i sent ya when they get going in veg lmao. The males in their histopry were quite important for it, tbh.


Your choice of male is very important. If you let them fully express youll even notice some make glandular trichs pretty heavy, some dont, some branch out like females, others dont. Just like the females.

Hey that’s why people will tell you it takes a long time to make something worth having haha a lot of time and work goes into that shit for sure.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Hey that’s why people will tell you it takes a long time to make something worth having haha a lot of time and work goes into that shit for sure.

yea the peaceblaster genotype is already a decade old, asnd itll prob be a few more seasons and lots of tent runs before i actually have a stable consistent fem seed i ill call the peaceblaster. Is a long time ongoing project. That will honestly probably start diverging soon and going multiple different directions. But honestly, keeping the generations that lead to such a seed is more important then that final consistent batcjh though. That's future proofing of your lineages.

I got a couple ongoing projects i still havent posted about, and its been torture for someone like me to keep my mouth shut about something im working on, lemme tell ya

Im not someone you tell secrets, i dont believe in secrets. I tell secrets.

 

[closettrapper217]

yea the peaceblaster genotype is already a decade old, asnd itll prob be a few more seasons and lots of tent runs before i actually have a stable consistent fem seed i ill call the peaceblaster. Is a long time ongoing project. That will honestly probably start diverging soon and going multiple different directions.

I got a couple ongoing projects i still havent posted about, and its been torture for someone like me to keep my mouth shut about something im working on, lemme tell ya

Im not someone you tell secrets, i dont believe in secrets. I tell secrets.

Soooo…

What’s the secret?!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Soooo…

What’s the secret?!

Hush some people already know and i dont wanna be tempted because i already promise enough stuff to people that theres no way im not still forgetting some lmao

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

The daily hale and windstorms are becoming a thing. Welcome to spring time in TN

 

[MartyMcFly42oh]

Idk what would cause the same stress over multiple grows in multiple houses in multiple tents. With other strains that don’t herm.

From what I understand it is a stress response but it’s more genetic. Like breathing on a plant lol

But if you wanna be cheap like me running f1s and all your friends new crosses and shit it’s just something you gotta keep an eye on I guess haha

I have learned a lot over the past year on this thread through certain members about breeding. It’s actually really awesome to casually shoot the breeze with people on here and constantly learn new things. That definitely wasn’t the case prior to my first post on this thread back around December or January 23/24 All thanks to the conductor of this here trainwreck @Captspaulding .