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[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I just flipped this skunk1 last night. It’s got a skunky odor on the leaves.View attachment 2445503this one I am vegging a few more. Should probably date them.VView attachment 2445504it just smells like a leaf so far. Will flower it soon. It’s in a 3 gallon with used soil from the males the last run.

youd smell the original skunk #1 from 100 yards away, outdoors, in veg lol.



you can pull lots of plants that are comparable from th peaceblastert f1, none of them will be pb3 trough. its a generationally non inbred F1 just like skunk #1 packs from AG. the plant everyone is after is a very specific phenotype within a genotype that has thousands of individual expressions lol.


all the cheese plants are also plants from that exact same genotype. So are most of the chems. All are thiol rich skunky plants with more or less the exact same genetics. Theyre all just selected F1 phenos.


No one is going to find skunk #1 ithout large scale greenhouses, or massive amount of property at their disposal, or its going to take them a decade or more lol. I promise. Been working at this for about a decade now lol. It took todd himself close to 1000 plants to find his own personal perfect example to run from clones, and he went through lots of sweet skunks and chems and stuff to get it too apparently. Two large scale open pollenated generations in a massive set of greenhouses to find that single phenotype again. youd have to buy 100 packs of those seeds to guarantee youd find the pheno from those beans. The entire purpose of the 10 packs is so people can open pollenate them *all together* so they actually have a realistic chance of getting the pheno in their own hands. Every word from the owner of AG seeds mouth just confirms just about every conclusion ive landed at myself on the skunk thing. And im definitely on the right track for it too. But its gonna takle a long time bcause i have limited space art my disposal.


And that was working with directly preserved original skunk #1 f1 beans directly from the skunkman too, it took him 2 open pollenated generations to find the pheno at all.. Anf if you *think* you have the original skunk pheno, you dont have it. You will know you have it by the time that plants is 8weeks old and preflowers. Itll overpower some of your flowering plants as a small vegging plant barely out of the seedling stage.

 

[MartyMcFly42oh]

nah, itll be leagal once we all give up standing up for what we beliveve in and let the corporate free-market completely take it over.


it would have been legalized in the 90s if stoners had already given up everything they believ in and stand up for and had let corporate autocracy completely and totally take it over. The older generation wasnt abou tot let that happen though, so it remained illegal because the government wasnt going to be able to profit from it.



Boomers helped keep it illegal yea, but its because they stand for what they believe in, my generation and younger stands for whatever gets em off the quickest and most reliably, and are incredibly easily manipulated and steered by propaganda, misinformation, and overall BS from corporations.

Its going to be legalized in the younger generations because they will bend over and spread cheek for corporations, unlike the older stoners.


An older stoner isnt going to reneg on all they believe in, just for a legal doobie from the corner store, theyve already dealt their whole life with it being illegal, it's whatever.. My generation absolutely will do that though. Most of us already have, a while back. As far as i can tell, i and a few others here are unique standouts within my generation as far as this is concerned. As far as our unwillingness to sell ourselves and our culture out so uncle sam will put a hand on our shoulder goes anyway.

(opinions)

Yeah the corporate machine has made a big mess out of the past few generations for sure. Good thing that gen x is so cynical and hates authority, if we could stop calling everyone else around us pussies and constantly offending everyone, humanity might still have a chance just kidding we are so fucked!

 

[MartyMcFly42oh]

I just flipped this skunk1 last night. It’s got a skunky odor on the leaves.View attachment 2445503this one I am vegging a few more. Should probably date them.VView attachment 2445504it just smells like a leaf so far. Will flower it soon. It’s in a 3 gallon with used soil from the males the last run.

Looks very healthy and happy those leaves look bigger than your feet.

 

[Putthataway]

Special queen looking like hell. It’s a monster. The lower leaves aren’t curled or yellowed like the top. Not sure what’s up with her. I tripped and fell on her and the m86x Nl in the middle along with one of the smaller plants, which recovered really quick and nothing broke. I broke several lower branches on the queen and the m86x nl. The nl cross decided to throw some three finger leaves. The front right is a cut off the same plant. It’s actually the same cut . It rooted so easily I took a cut from the cut and it rooted. Pb2 is far left corner just barely visible. Flipped the 10 gallon pots on 5-20.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

View attachment 2445511Special queen looking like hell. It’s a monster. The lower leaves aren’t curled or yellowed like the top. Not sure what’s up with her. I tripped and fell on her and the m86x Nl in the middle along with one of the smaller plants, which recovered really quick and nothing broke. I broke several lower branches on the queen and the m86x nl. The nl cross decided to throw some three finger leaves. The front right is a cut off the same plant. It’s actually the same cut . It rooted so easily I took a cut from the cut and it rooted. Pb2 is far left corner just barely visible. Flipped the 10 gallon pots on 5-20.

she has some excessive transpiration going on from a micrclimate up close to the light probably, and/or light burn going on from not being fed heavily enough for her size and growth rate/ppfd exposure wich is probably combining with the transpiration issues to look like a single problem when it actually isnt. imho.


Guesses, but educated guesses nonetheless. That plants mom is my heaviest feeding fastest growing inbred plant, and if she gets some transpiration issues going close to the light it can cascade a bit into a few other issues that correspond. When that happens though the light burn isnt because shes too close to the light either, counter intuitively, its because the mopisture uis evaporating from her leaves before it can deliver nutrients to replace the light bleached chlorophyll as fast as its being bleached. Which causes light burn, but its not because the light is too close with her, etc. If the transpiration and nutrient delivery is resolved, the light burn will go away without backing off the light. Rama is dealing with the same on his PB4 clone rn.

 

[Putthataway]

youd smell the original skunk #1 from 100 yards away, outdoors, in veg lol.



you can pull lots of plants that are comparable from th peaceblastert f1, none of them will be pb3 trough. its a generationally non inbred F1 just like skunk #1 packs from AG. the plant everyone is after is a very specific phenotype within a genotype that has thousands of individual expressions lol.


all the cheese plants are also plants from that exact same genotype. So are most of the chems. All are thiol rich skunky plants with more or less the exact same genetics. Theyre all just selected F1 phenos.


No one is going to find skunk #1 ithout large scale greenhouses, or massive amount of property at their disposal, or its going to take them a decade or more lol. I promise. Been working at this for about a decade now lol. It took todd himself close to 1000 plants to find his own personal perfect example to run from clones, and he went through lots of sweet skunks and chems and stuff to get it too apparently. Two large scale open pollenated generations in a massive set of greenhouses to find that single phenotype again. youd have to buy 100 packs of those seeds to guarantee youd find the pheno from those beans. The entire purpose of the 10 packs is so people can open pollenate them *all together* so they actually have a realistic chance of getting the pheno in their own hands. Every word from the owner of AG seeds mouth just confirms just about every conclusion ive landed at myself on the skunk thing. And im definitely on the right track for it too. But its gonna takle a long time bcause i have limited space art my disposal.


And that was working with directly preserved original skunk #1 f1 beans directly from the skunkman too, it took him 2 open pollenated generations to find the pheno at all..

Like I said captain took 30 cuts of the pheno he got from the one seed I sent him and the clown the myth the legend isn’t going to keep a sweet pheno labeled as skunk. I got some skunky smelling stuff maybe around 2005 maybe. It smelled so strong triple bagged you could smell it 3 cars away from the trunk.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Like I said captain took 30 cuts of the pheno he got from the one seed I sent him and the clown the myth the legend isn’t going to keep a sweet pheno labeled as skunk. I got some skunky smelling stuff maybe around 2005 maybe. It smelled so strong triple bagged you could smell it 3 cars away from the trunk.

theres tons of skunky thiol rich plants that come from AG's skunk #1 f1s lol.

Capt isnt going to keep a true skunk in a prohibition state in a neighborhood with houses close to one another if he came across it. he dam, nsurre aint gonna grow 30 clones of it. That would be begging for legal hell in texas.

Thats an absolute guarantee. A true skunk would get his ass busted in his context lol.

What he has is a skunky pheno from the skunk #1 genotype lol. Not skunk #1. I live in the land of the old skunks and know exactly what those plants smell and taste like, they didnt disappear out here til the mid 2000s lol. And most that say they do dont have any odea what thos plants actually smell like becaus theyre familiar with all the skunky crosses that were labeled skunk #1, not the skunk #1 pheno

you cant even put true skunk double vaccum sealed in a center console without knowing its there as soon as you get into the car.

A single flowering plant can be smelled half a mile away lol. fact


im also quoting Todd McCormick btw, the owner of Authentic Genetics right now. Not just my own experience over about a decade of trying to find true skunks.

The human nose can detect thiols in parts per trillion. Skunky and skunk are two very different things in cannabis expression.



The truth behind why everyone lost the skunk #1 clone pheno: THEY ALL GOT BUSTED BECAUSE OF THE SMELL. FACT. lol. Thiols that concentrated go through a carbon filter like its not even there, and ruins them within a month. Seriously. And if you grew those plants anywhere besides deep rural areas outdoor, you usually got busted your very first season with them, because one decent sized patch could be smelled from the hiway over a mile away.


When i was a kid, climgmans dome, the chimney tops, basically everywhere in the mountains of southern appalachia reeked of heavy skunk all october long, every single year. I havent smelled that since i was 15yo now. I catch some skunky wiffs here and there in obtober up there, fdefintiely cannabis smells. Nothing like back in the day though, not even remotely comparable. If it were that easy to find the true skunk #1 clone it would already be everywhere again.

And its still nowhere, i get told all the time that someone has it, and within their first second of description im already convinced they dont actually know what a real skunk on the road evebn smells like. If it doesnt smell like there is a skunk spraying your dog, in your house, right now, even with plants in veg not flower, its not the skunk #1 phenotype. Period lol. Its just not, and never will be lol. Regardless of if its skunky or not.

Skunky isnt "oh my god, wtf man, holy shit, did a skunk spray your dog?! thats so gross!!!!!".... But straight skunk #1 is lol.
Its not pleasant, its gross, and acrid, and very ick. your brain is evolutionarily designed to perceive it that way too. Thats how skunk and gross the original skunk #1 pheno truly is. You dont say "omg that smells incredible" when you shove your nose in it, you say "Omg dude, wtf, thats so gross man, that literally smells like a skunk sprayeda pile of dog shit baking in the sunlight in a plastic bag"


"Like a skunk sprayed a pile of dog shit baking in the sunlight in a plastic bag" is really the perfect way to describe the original skunk #1 phenotype.

 

[cannafarmer420]

nah, itll be leagal once we all give up standing up for what we beliveve in and let the corporate free-market completely take it over.


it would have been legalized in the 90s if stoners had already given up everything they believ in and stand up for and had let corporate autocracy completely and totally take it over. The older generation wasnt abou tot let that happen though, so it remained illegal because the government wasnt going to be able to profit from it.



Boomers helped keep it illegal yea, but its because they stand for what they believe in, my generation and younger stands for whatever gets em off the quickest and most reliably, and are incredibly easily manipulated and steered by propaganda, misinformation, and overall BS from corporations.

Its going to be legalized in the younger generations because they will bend over and spread cheek for corporations, unlike the older stoners.


An older stoner isnt going to reneg on all they believe in, just for a legal doobie from the corner store, theyve already dealt their whole life with it being illegal, it's whatever.. My generation absolutely will do that though. Most of us already have, a while back. As far as i can tell, i and a few others here are unique standouts within my generation as far as this is concerned. As far as

I don’t think it’s the whole generation of boomers that keeps holding cannabis back, in fact I would say some of the strongest components for legalization are and were boomers. But in the same breath that generation holds some of the strongest opponents to legalization as well. I think the baby boomers were essentially split into two categories those who used critical thinking skills and those who didn’t. Free thinking individuals and sheep disguised as people. I think gen x will do a better job of carrying the legalization torch than their predecessors, if only for the simple fact that they have been more affected by the war on drugs and the legalization of cannabis than any generation. While some millennials and almost all of generation y and z have lived their adult lives with some form of medicinal or recreational cannabis being available. These three generations have had the good fortune of not having to break the law to consume cannabis, for the most part. Of course acknowledging that some generations geographically speaking still exists in prohibition land, although the negative stigma that surrounds cannabis pales in comparison to what it use to be. View attachment 2445443
To quote Havok from Mobb Deep: “As long as Im alive, Ima live illegall”

nah, itll be leagal once we all give up standing up for what we beliveve in and let the corporate free-market completely take it over.


it would have been legalized in the 90s if stoners had already given up everything they believ in and stand up for and had let corporate autocracy completely and totally take it over. The older generation wasnt abou tot let that happen though, so it remained illegal because the government wasnt going to be able to profit from it.



Boomers helped keep it illegal yea, but its because they stand for what they believe in, my generation and younger stands for whatever gets em off the quickest and most reliably, and are incredibly easily manipulated and steered by propaganda, misinformation, and overall BS from corporations.

Its going to be legalized in the younger generations because they will bend over and spread cheek for corporations, unlike the older stoners.


An older stoner isnt going to reneg on all they believe in, just for a legal doobie from the corner store, theyve already dealt their whole life with it being illegal, it's whatever.. My generation absolutely will do that though. Most of us already have, a while back. As far as i can tell, i and a few others here are unique standouts within my generation as far as this is concerned. As far as our unwillingness to sell ourselves and our culture out so uncle sam will put a hand on our shoulder goes anyway.

(opinions)

The government is in the way, the government is mostly boomers, trump a boomer hates drugs, it's gonna literally be the old people in government retire and then we are good was my point

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

The government is in the way, the government is mostly boomers, trump a boomer hates drugs, it's gonna literally be the old people in government retire and then we are good was my point

my point is thats only because the younger generation doesn't believe anything on principle alone anymore. If they did, it wouldn't be legal at all either way at any time beause stoners wouldnt stand for the bastardization and destruction of the plant and its culture from the ground up. The younger generation considers cannabis a commodoty, NOT a culture, and thats unfortunate in my opinion. And the only reason legalization is moving forward at all. its guised corporate autocracy 100%.

And would have happened a lot sooner if all the old stoners gave up everything they stood for like the younger stoner generation did before they even hit adult hood.

its only legalizing slowly, genuinely, because the stoners no longer fight tyranny, oppressions, and corporate autocracy, they actually pay for it directly now.



legalization happening the way it is, is straight up just another flex of corporate tyranny and oppression by a ruling class and politicians, who WILL remain the same kind of person they have always been, its very vaive to think that's going to change in a single generation when it never has before, and its actually being rubbed in all our faces now too as far as i can tell.


"Give em a joint, they'll think they won, and theyll stop asking question about other shit" is exactly whats happening now imho

 

[closettrapper217]

Is that a special glass funnel for loading up pre rolls?

Yoooo I just realized the same thing. Either I’m slow or this is a game changer lmao @FloridaMike gives us the plug lol

actually now that I think about it I have a funnel somewhere this would probably work in lol

 

[closettrapper217]

Anybody else buy their cones by the 1,000? Only .10¢ each that way. I remember seeing Zig Zags for as little as .13¢ a pack when I was a kid. 1 1/4's had "78 hoja's" written on the side, now they're like $3.49 for 32

Those cones get expensive as fuck when you’re buying three packs. Ask me how I know lol

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

a soon as stoners became a largely complacent and a largely non activistic group in our culture (bedause most younger stoners were raised around it their entire life at this point, prohibition or not, but without any stimulation of principle, or anything like that within them beyond "fuck the police" essentially), legalization started swinging in and tickling the egos of those who think they won something, and large retail companies started taking over as laws changed. that's not a coincidence at all. Just more manipulation of culture and ideals.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Those cones get expensive as fuck when you’re buying three packs. Ask me how I know lol

you can buy a bag of like 400 carbopard raw filters for like $15 here.


Then ya grab a few packs of those extra long randy or raw papers, then start practicing!



When you guys see me with the raw cones, i made those cones myself, and i use an old 14mm bong downstem with the bowl part broken out to pack them lol. They look perfect very time because i have the angle roll to make the tapered cone on muscle memory now lol.


im better at making a cone then a straight up olschool rolled cigg style doobie. Those always turn out pregnant for me even though i can do em basically blindfolded with one hand now. I think i like the way the oldschool pregnant doobers hit and burn though too. i usually use the cones when ive infused some herb with oil. They burn quick otherwise.

 

[Putthataway]

youd smell the original skunk #1 from 100 yards away, outdoors, in veg lol.



you can pull lots of plants that are comparable from th peaceblastert f1, none of them will be pb3 trough. its a generationally non inbred F1 just like skunk #1 packs from AG. the plant everyone is after is a very specific phenotype within a genotype that has thousands of individual expressions lol.


all the cheese plants are also plants from that exact same genotype. So are most of the chems. All are thiol rich skunky plants with more or less the exact same genetics. Theyre all just selected F1 phenos.


No one is going to find skunk #1 ithout large scale greenhouses, or massive amount of property at their disposal, or its going to take them a decade or more lol. I promise. Been working at this for about a decade now lol. It took todd himself close to 1000 plants to find his own personal perfect example to run from clones, and he went through lots of sweet skunks and chems and stuff to get it too apparently. Two large scale open pollenated generations in a massive set of greenhouses to find that single phenotype again. youd have to buy 100 packs of those seeds to guarantee youd find the pheno from those beans. The entire purpose of the 10 packs is so people can open pollenate them *all together* so they actually have a realistic chance of getting the pheno in their own hands. Every word from the owner of AG seeds mouth just confirms just about every conclusion ive landed at myself on the skunk thing. And im definitely on the right track for it too. But its gonna takle a long time bcause i have limited space art my disposal.


And that was working with directly preserved original skunk #1 f1 beans directly from the skunkman too, it took him 2 open pollenated generations to find the pheno at all.. Anf if you *think* you have the original skunk pheno, you dont have it. You will know you have it by the time that plants is 8weeks old and preflowers. Itll overpower some of your flowering plants as a small vegging plant barely out of the seedling stage.

My first grow I got all paranoid I bought a carbon filter and I could still smell a strong odor outside. I finally figured out that it wasn’t what my plants smelled like. I suspected it was the house on the other street inline with my house. Last summer I went for a walk and that house had 30-50 pots ranging from 1-15 gallons scattered across the driveway. I understand that the original og skunk is gone I get it. They bred the stank out.

 

[Putthataway]

you can buy a bag of like 400 carbopard raw filters for like $15 here.


Then ya grab a few packs of those extra long randy or raw papers, then start practicing!



When you guys see me with the raw cones, i made those cones myself, and i use an old 14mm bong downstem with the bowl part broken out to pack them lol. They look perfect very time because i have the angle roll to make the tapered cone on muscle memory now lol.


im better at making a cone then a straight up olschool rolled cigg style doobie. Those always turn out pregnant for me even though i can do em basically blindfolded with one hand now. I think i like the way the oldschool pregnant doobers hit and burn though too. i usually use the cones when ive infused some herb with oil. They burn quick otherwise.

I couldn’t roll a joint if my life depended on it. I can pack it with a pencil or pen and get one done

 

[closettrapper217]

you can buy a bag of like 400 carbopard raw filters for like $15 here.


Then ya grab a few packs of those extra long randy or raw papers, then start practicing!



When you guys see me with the raw cones, i made those cones myself, and i use an old 14mm bong downstem with the bowl part broken out to pack them lol. They look perfect very time because i have the angle roll to make the tapered cone on muscle memory now lol.


im better at making a cone then a straight up olschool rolled cigg style doobie. Those always turn out pregnant for me even though i can do em basically blindfolded with one hand now. I think i like the way the oldschool pregnant doobers hit and burn though too. i usually use the cones when ive infused some herb with oil. They burn quick otherwise.

Yeah honestly I roll most my joints now regular orange zig zag with a short cardboard tip. Used to never roll a joint unless it was a king size. Mostly used cones when I worked all the time and smoked way too much and would have to pack a cone at light speed lol

now that I’m getting older I enjoy the whole experience of sitting down breaking it up, rolling one and smoking it.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Yeah honestly I roll most my joints now regular orange zig zag with a short cardboard tip. Used to never roll a joint unless it was a king size. Mostly used cones when I worked all the time and smoked way too much and would have to pack a cone at light speed lol

now that I’m getting older I enjoy the whole experience of sitting down breaking it up, rolling one and smoking it.

the mango haymneadow and colimbian banjo are both too strong for me to finish a doobie on my own so i dont actually have anything im willing to roll right now. Ive been loading up 1 oe 2 bong rips at a time since those two hit the jars lol.

The columbian banjo is fading into a very nice sontey/hazey combo. Had some weird head pressure i dint like at first, but its gone now that its sat a little bit. If i take more then two good rips of that one ill spend an hour straight going in circles forgetting what i was supposed to be doing.

if i take more then 1 or 2 rips of the mango haymeadow im just stuck on my ass listening to music or watching youtube for like an hour lol.

neither are actually my preferred kind of smoke, but my god, theyre dank as shit lmao. The columbian banjo is way stonier, and more stimulating both then either parent, but its also super purple unlike either parent, so who knows. Weird ass one-off pheno lol.

And im not sure how mango nectar + haymeadow purps made bubba kush, but it pretty much did just that. the test mango haymeadow pheno is the best example of bubba kush ive smoked in at LEAST 10 years. for whatever reason lmao. Genetics are fun. Bubba, being an OG kush thing, should indeed be partially a stolen NL cultivar, which is half of the haymeadow purps lineage too. And OG was originally just a stolen NL lineage, so who knows there either lol.. But for some reason, it made what seems like a bubba F1, and im reeeeeeeeeeally happy about that. Everything that went into the mango nectar x haymeadow, are plants of that time period though too, so i think it checks out as far as i can figure it out.

 

[closettrapper217]

the mango haymneadow and colimbian banjo are both too strong for me to finish a doobie on my own so i dont actually have anything im willing to roll right now. Ive been loading up 1 oe 2 bong rips at a time since those two hit the jars lol.

The columbian banjo is fading into a very nice sontey/hazey combo. Had some weird head pressure i dint like at first, but its gone now that its sat a little bit. If i take more then two good rips of that one ill spend an hour straight going in circles forgetting what i was supposed to be doing.

if i take more then 1 or 2 rips of the mango haymeadow im just stuck on my ass listening to music or watching youtube for like an hour lol.

neither are actually my preferred kind of smoke, but my god, theyre dank as shit lmao. The columbian banjo is way stonier, and more stimulating both then either parent, but its also super purple unlike either parent, so who knows. Weird ass one-off pheno lol.

And im not sure how mango nectar + haymeadow purps made bubba kush, but it pretty much did just that. the test mango haymeadow pheno is the best example of bubba kush ive smoked in at LEAST 10 years. for whatever reason lmao. Genetics are fun. Bubba, being an OG kush thing, should indeed be partially a stolen NL cultivar, which is half of the haymeadow purps lineage too. And OG was originally just a stolen NL lineage, so who knows there either lol.. But for some reason, it made what seems like a bubba F1, and im reeeeeeeeeeally happy about that. Everything that went into the mango nectar x haymeadow, are plants of that time period though too, so i think it checks out as far as i can figure it out.

Yooo I’ve been thinking about that old school bubba since you told me that lol

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Yooo I’ve been thinking about that old school bubba since you told me that lol

Even mango x haymeadow test pheno's leaves looked like old bubba/og/afghan leaves, so did her structure, bud size, terp profile. All of it.


it is an F1, so dont expect every pheno to be a great example, and i highly doubt the test pop was even a great example of the potential in that F1, it just checked a bunch of boxes i wasnt expecting it to at all. What it does tell me though, is that there is VERY real legit oldschool kush potential in that F1.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

@closettrapper217 a thought just occured.


if the mango nectar is indeed half original jack, the original jack was a combination of the original NL plants that created the OG's and the bubbas, and potent land race origin sativas into a single lineage iirc. The ozark grower (friend of mine, the one eyed deahead dude i mention occasionally) left the genotype pollen chuck itself for like 30 years season after season in the ozarks. A cooler environment than youd typically grow sativa doms and a cooler, shorter grow season then cali where he hailed from originally, and over the years they got shorter, and wider, with earthier terp expressions as he kept seeds from the plants that did best yadda yadda.


I wonder if that oldschool NL in the haymeadow purps and jack both (which was likely steered toward expression in the ozarks with mango nectar's genotype) actually means this wasnt a true F1, and is semi stable in the direction of olschool kush/NL/Bubba/OG



this actually seems quite plausible to me. im thinking maybe that unexpected kush expression on very first pop, is actually lending credibility to the old mans claims about his seeds. When i popped the first gen i had, it simply did not compute how that plant was supposedly from a semi-feral jack/big bud pollen-chucked genotype. But now i think im thinking maybe it really was and really had just been slowly steered in the NL/Kush direction by the ozark's weather..