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I'm stuck and dont know what to do

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I'm stuck and dont know what to do

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Did you test for Mg? Because that's what I mentioned. I also asked you follow up questions that got ignored. It must be because you know better.

This is not a a leaf with a potassium issue. This is classic Mg. There are subtle differences which you mistook for something else and used your data to back up your own assumptions. That illustration you posted is garbage and just causes more confusion. Look at real pics from real plants.

For future reference K is gonna start at the edges and work it's way inwards, not start in the middle of the veins.

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I dont have a way to test for Mg, and the water I use is filtered water. You stated "K is gonna start at the edges and work it's way inwards, not start in the middle of the veins." this is exactly as the pictorial shows and if you look at the other leaves effected it's what appears to be happening, starting from the edges moving towards the middle. It seems like we agree here.
 
I've thought about doing this, and you're absolutely right about doing this to verify sensor data, unfortunately bc it seems like it keeps being glanced over my current sensors do not detect nutrients, just water. So i cant use the sensor to refute nutrient data, but i can use it to refute that the soil hasn't been over watered.

I have heard of sending samples to local colleges that have a AG department to provide soil nutrient levels to farmers, but it was never stated if it costs money, maybe you would know?
I don't know for sure, but a small sample couldn't cost too much.
 
I dont have a way to test for Mg, and the water I use is filtered water. You stated "K is gonna start at the edges and work it's way inwards, not start in the middle of the veins." this is exactly as the pictorial shows and if you look at the other leaves effected it's what appears to be happening, starting from the edges moving towards the middle. It seems like we agree here.
Except that the bright yellow to me still suggests magnesium. Addressing magnesium issues is easy. Epsom salts are cheap and at a teaspoon per gallon, go a long ways towards fixing this.
 
I dont have a way to test for Mg, and the water I use is filtered water. You stated "K is gonna start at the edges and work it's way inwards, not start in the middle of the veins." this is exactly as the pictorial shows and if you look at the other leaves effected it's what appears to be happening, starting from the edges moving towards the middle. It seems like we agree here.
We do not agree. Look at the tips on this leaf, what do you see?
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These two pics we also see some nutrient burn, likely from the high P you described.

Leaves don't only show one problem at a time!!!!!

They show all of them and reading those signs is the nuance I spoke about before

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So seeing that and saying ok it's starting at the edges must be K is ignoring the rest of the leaf with perfectly green tips and oversimplifying the diagnosis.
 
I dont have a way to test for Mg, and the water I use is filtered water. You stated "K is gonna start at the edges and work it's way inwards, not start in the middle of the veins." this is exactly as the pictorial shows and if you look at the other leaves effected it's what appears to be happening, starting from the edges moving towards the middle. It seems like we agree here.
Filtered water like RO or ZeroWater? What's the medium in the pot?
 
These two pics we also see some nutrient burn, likely from the high P you described.

Leaves don't only show one problem at a time!!!!!

They show all of them and reading those signs is the nuance I spoke about before



So seeing that and saying ok it's starting at the edges must be K is ignoring the rest of the leaf with perfectly green tips and oversimplifying the diagnosis.

The tiger bloom that I've been giving it only has 0.5% magnesium in it, but I was giving it Cal-mag before flowing every couple weeks which has 1% magnesium. I suppose there could be a magnesium deficiency which is what I originally thought before coming across the pictorial. What levels of magnesium should I have and do you know of any good testers for it?

If information such as the image below is not an accurate representation then it should be removed from the THCfarmer forums which is where I got it.

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The tiger bloom that I've been giving it only has 0.5% magnesium in it, but I was giving it Cal-mag before flowing every couple weeks which has 1% magnesium. I suppose there could be a magnesium deficiency which is what I originally thought before coming across the pictorial. What levels of magnesium should I have and do you know of any good testers for it?

If information such as the image below is not an accurate representation then it should be removed from the THCfarmer forums which is where I got it.

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I use epsom salts only during veg. I switch to cal-mag at about the second week after switching to 12/12. My soil mix is Ocean Forest which I pre-wet and allow to sit in a moistened state for a couple of weeks prior to use. This seems to activate the buffering in the mix. I use distilled water as my water source so its near zero ppm starting out. The reason I don't use cal-mag from the start of the grow is because when I have, I had magnesium issues later on during flowering. (Sound familiar so far?) Without any scientific testing to back this up, what I believe has been happening when I started with cal-mag from the beginning of the grow is calcium locking out other essentials, especially magnesium.

It's something to pay attention to since an over-abundance of calcium upsets the nutrient ratios and interferes in nutrient uptake of other minerals.
 
Filtered water like RO or ZeroWater? What's the medium in the pot?
it's an Ion exchange filter tbh not sure if thats good or bad for plants, but my hole house is setup with it and they said when it was installed that it also supplies water to my irrigation or garden hose, cant remember. The soil is by foxfarm, I cant remember the exact name though, i know foxfarm has a few different ones. Got it from my local outdoor box store.
 
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I use epsom salts only during veg. I switch to cal-mag at about the second week after switching to 12/12. My soil mix is Ocean Forest which I pre-wet and allow to sit in a moistened state for a couple of weeks prior to use. This seems to activate the buffering in the mix. I use distilled water as my water source so its near zero ppm starting out. The reason I don't use cal-mag from the start of the grow is because when I have, I had magnesium issues later on during flowering. (Sound familiar so far?) Without any scientific testing to back this up, what I believe has been happening when I started with cal-mag from the beginning of the grow is calcium locking out other essentials, especially magnesium.

It's something to pay attention to since an over-abundance of calcium upsets the nutrient ratios and interferes in nutrient uptake of other minerals.
you specified, "from the start of the grow", is this from as a seedling or during veg?
 
you specified, "from the start of the grow", is this from as a seedling or during veg?
For the first few weeks, I add nothing. It's straight H2O during waterings. Plants are 2-3 weeks old ... maybe a month when I introduce nutrients to them. Its at that time I start with epsom salts. The only time I will deviate is if I start to see calcium issues during veg (extremely rare).
 
ok, I did the same. If I recall I waited until veg/ or until there was something like 3-4 nodes before giving it cal-mag and a little nitrogen supplement.
But I'm not using cal-mag at that point. I'm using epsom salts. I don't start cal-mag until about the second week of 12/12. Once flowering initiates, calcium needs go through the roof. I prefer to have the extra calcium available shortly before its called upon instead of upsetting the delicate nutrient ratio balance. You hear all about nutrients but not enough about ratios. Your nutrient ratios are just about as important as the nutrients themselves.
 
But I'm not using cal-mag at that point. I'm using epsom salts. I don't start cal-mag until about the second week of 12/12. Once flowering initiates, calcium needs go through the roof. I prefer to have the extra calcium available shortly before its called upon instead of upsetting the delicate nutrient ratio balance. You hear all about nutrients but not enough about ratios. Your nutrient ratios are just about as important as the nutrients themselves.
You had stated that you have used cal-mag at the start of the grow but don't anymore, I was trying to understand what you meant by "at the start of the grow", or did i miss-read this?
 
You had stated that you have used cal-mag at the start of the grow but don't anymore, I was trying to understand what you meant by "at the start of the grow", or did i miss-read this?
You mis-read. Copied from my post above I said,"I use epsom salts only during veg. I switch to cal-mag at about the second week after switching to 12/12."

Edit: I did say that when I have started with cal-mag from veg in the past, I ran into calcium locking out other minerals.
 
it's an Ion exchange filter tbh not sure if thats good or bad for plants, but my hole house is setup with it and they said when it was installed that it also supplies water to my irrigation or garden hose, cant remember.
So I'm guessing it reads under 10 ppm or so?
The tiger bloom that I've been giving it only has 0.5% magnesium in it, but I was giving it Cal-mag before flowing every couple weeks which has 1% magnesium. I suppose there could be a magnesium deficiency which is what I originally thought before coming across the pictorial. What levels of magnesium should I have and do you know of any good testers for it?

If information such as the image below is not an accurate representation then it should be removed from the THCfarmer forums which is where I got it.

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The illustrations are as accurate as a half decent drawing can be.

Didn't you make a major light upgrade in the middle of this grow?
 
Maybe i missed it but the ppm of what exactly?

yes, I did recently have a major grow light upgrade.
Ppm of your source water.

The reason why I mentioned the light is because of its connection to Mg and it's in my old post.
 
Ppm of your source water.

The reason why I mentioned the light is because of its connection to Mg and it's in my old post.
You mean the one about the Mg atom being the center of a chlorophyl molecule? The one where you pointed out that its the foundation of which everything is built upon?

Yes, I remember that post.
 
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