Possible Bud Rot, but i need help.

[Grownsince95]

Perhaps the problem, from these photos, which are from jars of 4 months, is more visible. This is from inside the buds.

Again, I don't see bud rot in those pics. Just leafy buds with sick leaves.

 

[George75]

Again, I don't see bud rot in those pics. Just leafy buds with sick leaves.

That's great news mate. I don't doubt your knowledge on the subject, but I need more confirmation to be absolutely sure.
I had a very unpleasant experience from the simultaneous use of antipsychotics and cannabis after the encouragement of the psychiatrist who assured me that there was no problem.
The result was that within 4 years my memory was destroyed by 90%. Ι would watch movies and the next day I would not remember a single scene. Fortunately, after I stopped the antipsychotics I saw a great improvement in my memory but this experience brought me down and I do not want to do risky things from now on.

 

[Eledin]

That's great news mate. I don't doubt your knowledge on the subject, but I need more confirmation to be absolutely sure.
I had a very unpleasant experience from the simultaneous use of antipsychotics and cannabis after the encouragement of the psychiatrist who assured me that there was no problem.
The result was that within 4 years my memory was destroyed by 90%. Ι would watch movies and the next day I would not remember a single scene. Fortunately, after I stopped the antipsychotics I saw a great improvement in my memory but this experience brought me down and I do not want to do risky things from now on.

Im on quetiapine and taking the benefits of THC. Thanks to the quetiapine I dont get anxious when I smoke and it helps me combat anhedonia and do stuff, the opposite to what some people experience and there are many cases about people who react differently to weed so its always good to see for yourself. My memory was bad before taking quetiapine, it got worse. My memory was also bad before starting to smoke weed and it got worse. But for me its worth the trade.

 

[George75]

Im on quetiapine and taking the benefits of THC. Thanks to the quetiapine I dont get anxious when I smoke and it helps me combat anhedonia and do stuff, the opposite to what some people experience and there are many cases about people who react differently to weed so its always good to see for yourself. My memory was bad before taking quetiapine, it got worse. My memory was also bad before starting to smoke weed and it got worse. But for me its worth the trade.

I was taking quepin, which is antipsychotic sleeping pill and i'm still taking it when i'm not vaping cannabis (which gives me a very quality sleep as opposed to pills) because i have a very serious problem with sleep.
I too, when I was taking antipsychotics, didn't get stressed at all with cannabis, but that's not a solution, it's a complete disaster. I had become a complete plant, I couldn't even read the news. I read and I didn't understand anything at all.
After a lot of searching, I found that most psychiatrists are absolutely against the use of psychotropic drugs and cannabis, and from my experience, they are absolutely right.
Don't play with fire, it's not worth it. If you lose your memory, it's basically death.
But I understand you, these illnesses are absolutely debilitating and the side effects from psychotropic drugs are very severe so it makes sense that we need some relief, but you must try another, more safer way to consume cannabis.
Memory is plastic, you can correct it with reading and specific exercises, i hope you are well.

 

[Eledin]

I appreciate your concern, but like I said weed affects people differently, if I dont smoke I dont feel like doing anything and that happens even if I quit for a long time. I was already smoking when I started with the antipsychotics and Ive been smoking since I was 14 (Im 34 so 20 years), so maybe that has something to do with it, always suspected that my brain cant function without weed cause I started smoking way before the brain stoped developing. In any case, for me it works, it saved my life probably quite literally while other medications that Ive tried over the course of more than 15 years really did nothing to me. Antidepressants do nothing to me. My life was a complete dissaster before the antipsychotics so when it cant get worse it can only get better
Thanks for your concern anyway and if you have an alternative medication in mind that is worth trying Im all ears.

 

[George75]

@Eledin

I told you my experience from mixing these two, even after 10 months of stopping antipsychotics, I have a big problem with my memory. Basically, I can't even memorize 3 names, even if I repeat them several times.
This situation is probably not reversible, because even though I read a lot and every day, there is no improvement.
You are still very young and believe me, no matter how well prepared you are to die (and how could you be at such an age?) either with the fairy tales of religions or with philosophy, if you are diagnosed with alzheimer's you will be petrified with terror, but by then it will be too late.
Have you tried stopping antipsychotics? I had 3 doctors tell me I should take them until I die (usually it's a lifelong treatment), but I stopped them after 4 years and I'm fine, I don't have any delirium (I was delirious 10-12 hours a day), no hallucinations, nothing. I had one of the most severe cases of psychosis, having lived with it since adolerence. I only began treatment at 44 and throughout that time i was drinking alcohol for relief. Believe me, I had reached levels of absolute madness, complete disorganization, incapable of even the simplest thing.
I don't know of alternative treatments but you could try art, which can help you, although it didn't work for me.
Maybe even isolate yourself for a while in nature, away from civilization. Not absolute isolation, but some place where you can have your peace and quiet, and have a few people who have chosen this way of life.
I know people who live for years on rivers or beaches, who, despite being over 60 years old, have skin like they are 20.
I don't say this out of vanity, but to emphasize the healing properties of nature, after all, we are all its children.
I wish you good luck.

 

[George75]

@Eledin
I want to apologize for my harsh tone. I don't like to scare people, my intentions are good, I just wanted to warn you.
A little shock, but if it works, then it's worth the effort, don't you think?
I'm not talking to you from a position of superiority where I'm trying to reason someone I consider inferior, we're in the same boat and therefore equal.
Look for other, safer ways to deal with the side effects of cannabis. Losing your mind day after day is a state of terror where, believe me, you don't want to live.
Be well and take care.

 

[Eledin]

I understand your concern and I appreciate your suggestions and warnings but I was already in a state of terror every day thats what led me to start taking pills as Ive been always very vocally against it. Decided to give a try for the 10th time to a medication just because I was desperate, every day was a nightmare, I couldnt get rid of the thoughts, the thoughts always spining in twisted ways and that voice telling me to end it all and that my existence is a waste of oxygen(my own voice but a more vicious version of myself, not hallucinations). All of that changed when I started taking quetiapine. You said you were drinking, that is really, really dangerous I agree, but smoking with quetiapine wont kill me, alcohol would. My therapists know that I smoke THC and Im not the only one apparently in their list of clients who do so while taking other medications for mental illnesses. Now, if you are schizophrenic you shoud avoid THC at all costs but Im not, I take antipsycotics to combat PTSD and obsesive and intrusive thoughts. I tried quiting it after a year of treatment, I also tried quiting weed when I was feeling better with the antipsychotics but in both cases it lead to a downward spiral.
Im agoraphobic too so going outside is something I only do at night. I have a beatiful river and forest near my house and I go there for peace of mind. I agree, nature heals. I cant get too far from my house because I start panking but its more than I was able to do before taking the medication and Im lucky that the river is literally at a 1 minute walk from my house.
I will take into consideration all you said and if in any moment I feel like Im puting at risk my life I will take actions. Its appreciated because if that happens I would have probably just pushed it aside but now that you told me your experience I will have it into consideration. For now, Im feeling way to good compared to before to consider terminating one or the other.

 

[George75]

@Eledin
I'm glad you will take into consideration what I told you.
Keep in mind, however, that antipsychotics not only reduce the side effects of thc but also reduce its overall intensity and duration.
The worst thing is that they increase tolerance levels extremely quickly. When I was on antipsychotics I had to increase the dose every 5-6 days to get the same effect, and I thought it was the vaping that was to blame, but it had nothing to do with it.
You can try tranquilizers (I take Xanax) which reduce the anxiety from thc to 0 but do not reduce the high, and most importantly, they do not increase tolerance levels.
I've been vaping cannabis every day for a month now, and I still use the same dose (a 0.1g bowl) which gives me the same high (intensity and duration) as on day 1 (after a 1-month break). You just shouldn't take them at the same time because you'll fall asleep. You can take Xanax in the morning and smoke weed in the afternoon or evening.
Ask your doctor, of course, because although tranquilizers seem much safer than the antipsychotic, it's supposedly not intended for long-term use, even though many people take them for years.
Know, however, that no matter what he/she tells you, you'll still remain a test animal, not because there's some conspiracy but simply because the legalization of cannabis is very recent and in very few countries, and there is not sufficient scientific data regarding its interaction with other substances.
Take vaping for example. Initially, scientists assured that it was completely safe, but after 20 years (keep that number in mind), the latest research indicates that the risks are comparable to smoking, with the difference that you have a better quality of life, for ex you don't gasp when climbing to the 2nd floor.

 

[Eledin]

I do take diazepam and lormetazepam, xanax is clonazepam, its a milder version but theyre all benzodiazepines. I take usually 1-2 per day, been taking them for more than 10 years and I dont mess with the dosage because tolerance can increase pretty quickly too. But yes, they do help. The antipsychotic I take before going to sleep so at most I smoke a good night joint when I take it so I fall asleep sooner. The effect when I wake up is much milder but then again, I have benzodiazepines that help too.
Ive been a test animal for medications too, its still a young science, Ive been through more meds than I recall, more than 20 for sure until I found quetiapine. Now Im getting rid of the antidepressant and they are gonna give me one that increases dopamine and serotonin levels (the one I have only increases serotonin) so that should help too with being more active. Even though Im the most active when I smoke, Im not very active.
Im aware that there are no long term studies on the interaction of THC with other medications, except for a few ones for every day medications like aspirine and such, but someone has to test it so far Im feeling way better than Ive ever felt. I didnt even know what the absence of anxiety felt like, Im very relieved, thats why I dont wanna stop.

 

[Eledin]

I dont mind being like Ozzy when Im old
-So what do you think about the geopolitical climate of today?
-Bloody hell its full of flies, huh? What did you say? I love pink lady apples, cant get enough of them!

RIP legend.

 

[Sunasun]

I dont mind being like Ozzy when Im old
-So what do you think about the geopolitical climate of today?
-Bloody hell its full of flies, huh? What did you say? I love pink lady apples, cant get enough of them!

RIP legend.

 

[George75]

@Eledin
Sorry for the delay, but I had accidentally logged out of outlook and wasn't getting notifications, let alone having a lot of problems with my cats.
Since you're doing well, that's the most important thing. Keep it up, mate.
But if you ever decide to do what psychologists say, which is to face your demons, either because the medications don't work anymore for you or because you're tired of the side effects, know that most people, when they hit the bottom, have no choice but to start climbing back up, and so at some point they come out of the black hole and breathe freely again.
The most severe trauma I've ever experienced, which i realized at 44, was by far the hardest to realize and it affected all the other psychological problems I had.
In my attempt to retrieve these memories from the subconscious, I lost my sleep forever, but 5 years later I can tell you, with certainty, that it no longer haunts my daily life and therefore it was worth the effort.
Since you are well now, let it be, do nothing. Know that the journey to the subconscious can be very scary, always depending on the trauma, so you should focus all your energy on it, and definitely do not try to do it alone, as I did, because the level of difficulty skyrockets.
As for the geopolitical climate, it's certainly completely dystopian, but let's leave that discussion for another thread.

 

[Eledin]

Thank you for your advice and support, its aprreaciated! Im doing therapy aswell, Im aware that pills are only something to help you deal with what you have to deal internally. A couple years ago, when I started with the medications, I also talked about my trauma for the first time. First with my psychologist then with my mother and sister. It was very embarassing but as you say it was worth it once I got over that. What makes me the most afraid of being introspective is that I can see clearly what the problems are and why they happen but its hard to reeducate your brain when youre older, still worth it, even if you dont have a mental illness its something everyone should do to gain more empathy and understanding on why some people do what they do and well... to aim to be better human beings in general.
The geopolitical climate is indeed fucked up but I have hopes. The important thing is that if you grab a history book and go from start to finish you can see that we are always making progress towards a more civilized society, even if that takes time. I used to be really hateful towards humans including myself, not on a personal basis with people but in general, but nowadays I try to just relax and think that whatever I can do to make things better for me and the people around me, I do, and thats enough. You can only do your best, and Ive always had expectations for myself and other people that were unrealistic after years of thinking, not with how society works nowadays anyway, but it gets better with time.

 

[George75]

@Eledin
You are welcome, mate.
The path towards a more civilized world basically concerns the West and is related to a specific philosophical, socio-political framework that societies have followed. The rest of the world is plagued by totalitarian, tyrannical and illiberal regimes that, while not threatened, essentially want to wipe us out, which is why the crossroads we find ourselves at is completely dystopian.
There are also many internal enemies who hate democracy, freedoms and tolerance and do everything they can to overthrow them, but there are also setbacks, because nothing is a given, we must constantly strive for the values we have won.
Ultimately, if our way of life is not overthrown by authoritarian regimes, in the end the climate crisis will do it and this will not be a tragedy like with the fascists (reds or Islamofascists) but bullshit, because while we have choices we do nothing about it.

 

[George75]

I tossed it out. It's not worth risking our health for weed. Unlike nicotine, we have alternatives, as we can stop whenever we want.