My Mid Summer Autos Try

[carlosescobar]

Yes sir it's great mixed into soil. My youngest daughter got a rabbit 1 big huge giant male/buck when she was 10yrs old. That damn thing lived for another 10yrs outdoors had a old dog house for it to sleep in but it never ever did. It sat on top of it. Rain or snow did'nt bother it we had a cover of aluminum sideing for a top and wired mesh circle around 2 trees so about 5x5 area to live in. I'd clean out his area every couple months and throw it into my garden beds. And would compost alot of it for garden soils. Best harvests i ever did was with the poo from that damn rabbit.

i was reading up on manure a few weeks ago , and apparently rabbit and llama poo is the best for cannabis (that might be plants in general) because of the microbial gut biome these animals use to break down grass

 

[Galgrows]

i was reading up on manure a few weeks ago , and apparently rabbit and llama poo is the best for cannabis (that might be plants in general) because of the microbial gut biome these animals use to break down grass

I have some friends with llamas but i won't walk in their pasture alone LOL they are nasty tempered.

 

[grayoldnproud]

i was reading up on manure a few weeks ago , and apparently rabbit and llama poo is the best for cannabis (that might be plants in general) because of the microbial gut biome these animals use to break down grass

Yes indeed. Goat is also good. We don't have cows and we don't used our chicken poop for a year after it has composted.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Well, I am down to one Amnesia Haze auto left. All the others have gone the way of the DoDo. I have two new Critical Autos started so hopefully by Monday's update I can redeem this shit. I still have 3 more Amnesia Haze Auto seeds and I'll decide this weekend if I want to drop them soon and buy something else for early spring next year or wait. Dunno....just too fucking frustrated now to think about it, so I'll have a Heineken instead.

I know I can figure this out, it's a fucking weed. Gad damn I've grown prize winning heritage tomatoes. I had better luck as a young man playing Johnny Appleseed. But then again back then seeds didn't cost $10/ea.

 

[Galgrows]

Well, I am down to one Amnesia Haze auto left. All the others have gone the way of the DoDo. I have two new Critical Autos started so hopefully by Monday's update I can redeem this shit. I still have 3 more Amnesia Haze Auto seeds and I'll decide this weekend if I want to drop them soon and buy something else for early spring next year or wait. Dunno....just too fucking frustrated now to think about it, so I'll have a Heineken instead.

I know I can figure this out, it's a fucking weed. Gad damn I've grown prize winning heritage tomatoes. I had better luck as a young man playing Johnny Appleseed. But then again back then seeds didn't cost $10/ea.

Do not dispair LOL my summer autos are sooo small. I've put them out when they were just 2wks old in 5gal pots and they are just whimps honestly. I believe the key is to use LED lights get them bigger than set them out. If the enviornment is spot on they'll get larger. Anyway that's my 2cents. I hate paying for seeds that fail. Mine were gifted to me by a small time breeder and his plants are dwarfs compaired to others i've grown rarely tdo these get over 20"

 

[cpurola]

Do not dispair LOL my summer autos are sooo small. I've put them out when they were just 2wks old in 5gal pots and they are just whimps honestly. I believe the key is to use LED lights get them bigger than set them out. If the enviornment is spot on they'll get larger. Anyway that's my 2cents. I hate paying for seeds that fail. Mine were gifted to me by a small time breeder and his plants are dwarfs compaired to others i've grown rarely tdo these get over 20"

Yes, what she said. Don't despair. I grow Autos too.
I believe our weed seeds are programed to prefer Spring temps, to germinate and veg.

2 years ago I tried and failed 3 different times to get the seeds and seedlings to survive more than a couple weeks. This was during the summer. After that debacle, I figured more moderate temps. 65-70 is ideal for germination and seedling survival.
Spring temps, a little breeze, some moisture and light. Sounds easy. LOL

 

[grayoldnproud]

Bad news. Down to just one of the Amnesia Haze Auto. And being it's the beginning of 3rd veg week and her size and I'm not seeing anything yet that would indicate a successful or even acceptable outcome.

Good news. Both new Critical Auto's are up, took one week...last critical took 5 days to pop. So that was different. They are staying in their seedlings home for at least until I see some good changes then they'll go in their final home.

So that's about it for this Monday.

 

[Dieguito10]

Do not dispair LOL my summer autos are sooo small. I've put them out when they were just 2wks old in 5gal pots and they are just whimps honestly. I believe the key is to use LED lights get them bigger than set them out. If the enviornment is spot on they'll get larger. Anyway that's my 2cents. I hate paying for seeds that fail. Mine were gifted to me by a small time breeder and his plants are dwarfs compaired to others i've grown rarely tdo these get over 20"

I think you are right, I started an auto outside and was so small, as soon as I placed her in my growing tent with LED she grew 3 times her size in a couples of weeks

 

[Dieguito10]

I think you are right, I started an auto outside and was so small, as soon as I placed her in my growing tent with LED she grew 3 times her size in a couples of weeks

And, BTW, I think LED light are really good and inexpensive to grow plants, my small setting (2 x 2 x 4 tent, with 3 LED light heads for a total of 6000 lumens with timer included, and a small nice fan) cost me under $100, and the tent is really well made, with total reflective material inside, and plenty of openings for wires, hair circulation and fan installation, I was very impressed with it, it was only like $25 or something like that, on Amazon.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Just FYI a grow light that the tech sheet measured in Lumens is not useful for a cannabis grower. Lumens is basically how bright the light is to the human eye. It does not measure energy level and there is no direct or even indirect method to cross lumens into lux or ppfd.

Original OP grayoldnproud.
Love to help you with your falling off. I have some suggestions as what your are doing is consistently not working.
The medium and the watering are the 2 most obvious points points to work of first. From the pictures of the top of the pot I would ask if the rest of the pot looks like the top. It has a lot of larger scraps of wood and rabbit poop right in the mix.
Now I have made compost for years but never with rabbit poop. I have also made compost tea but again never with poop.
Compost breaks down organic material. Rabbit poop as a top dressing that has not been cooked opens up the possibility or bacterial contamination in your grow. Poop contains no benny bacteria and has no Humic Acid components so all the bacteria in poop is non- benificial. It should be cooked as compost to make it broke down and the bacteria sterilized.
Watering:
With so much larger organic material the drying cycle is going to be hard to pin down. Seedlings hate being wet. I use a much more consistent medium suitable for Cannabis.
Lights: One of you pictures tells a tale. The pic with 4 stretch stems one of which is ready to fall over. Your light is not set with enough power to generate anything but stems. It needs more light and is actively searching for light. Help the seedling out and next run get that light 2 times closer or turned up 2 times the power.
Transperation rate:
This long word is the relationship between temp and humidity. At this point we want a low transperation rate with medium temps but high humidity. A lot of growers ( myself included ) use a controller for tailoring this rate called VDP to a rate that matches the plants grow point. Starting at .8 vdp in seedling and going to 1.5 vdp late in flower. As you reduce humidity the vdp goes up and the transperation rate goes up. This is the amount of water moving through a plant. Water brings nutrition. If the plant is not ready for a high transperation rate it will stall and if to far out of range it will die off.
Those seedlings should still be north of 65% RH at a reasonable temp of 75-80. It also needs to be consistent. If your humidity and temp move more than a few % points in an hours time stability of enviroment is causing stress. In outside environments the movement of temp and humidity is slow cause the great outdoors is the biggest lung room in the world and things move slowly for the most part.
Just some points to consider.
Good Luck

 

[grayoldnproud]

Just FYI a grow light that the tech sheet measured in Lumens is not useful for a cannabis grower. Lumens is basically how bright the light is to the human eye. It does not measure energy level and there is no direct or even indirect method to cross lumens into lux or ppfd.

Original OP grayoldnproud.
Love to help you with your falling off. I have some suggestions as what your are doing is consistently not working.
The medium and the watering are the 2 most obvious points points to work of first. From the pictures of the top of the pot I would ask if the rest of the pot looks like the top. It has a lot of larger scraps of wood and rabbit poop right in the mix.
Now I have made compost for years but never with rabbit poop. I have also made compost tea but again never with poop.
Compost breaks down organic material. Rabbit poop as a top dressing that has not been cooked opens up the possibility or bacterial contamination in your grow. Poop contains no benny bacteria and has no Humic Acid components so all the bacteria in poop is non- benificial. It should be cooked as compost to make it broke down and the bacteria sterilized.
Watering:
With so much larger organic material the drying cycle is going to be hard to pin down. Seedlings hate being wet. I use a much more consistent medium suitable for Cannabis.
Lights: One of you pictures tells a tale. The pic with 4 stretch stems one of which is ready to fall over. Your light is not set with enough power to generate anything but stems. It needs more light and is actively searching for light. Help the seedling out and next run get that light 2 times closer or turned up 2 times the power.
Transperation rate:
This long word is the relationship between temp and humidity. At this point we want a low transperation rate with medium temps but high humidity. A lot of growers ( myself included ) use a controller for tailoring this rate called VDP to a rate that matches the plants grow point. Starting at .8 vdp in seedling and going to 1.5 vdp late in flower. As you reduce humidity the vdp goes up and the transperation rate goes up. This is the amount of water moving through a plant. Water brings nutrition. If the plant is not ready for a high transperation rate it will stall and if to far out of range it will die off.
Those seedlings should still be north of 65% RH at a reasonable temp of 75-80. It also needs to be consistent. If your humidity and temp move more than a few % points in an hours time stability of enviroment is causing stress. In outside environments the movement of temp and humidity is slow cause the great outdoors is the biggest lung room in the world and things move slowly for the most part.
Just some points to consider.
Good Luck

Appreciate it and that would be all well and good if, stress if, I had the equipment to be able to 1. ascertain and 2. control the environment. So in essence I appreciate the insight and I hear ya...the dirt choice needs rethinking, and I have on the newbies. They need better lighting, and watch the watering. Got it. Thx

 

[JIMKSI64]

Perhaps a measured small increase in your tool kit would help.
See if you can get something like this

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This simple cube and the app you can download will track your environment so you can change things. If the issue is humidity you can make a plastic cover and call it a humidity dome. If it is too chilly put it in a box with a heat lamp.
I followed a young fella on another board who had a photo Bruce banner deep in flower with a light a fan and a box. He looked to be clearing a couple of lids with his low tech grow.
For dollars spent vrs yield he is a legend.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Perhaps a measured small increase in your tool kit would help.
See if you can get something like this

Amazon.com: SwitchBot IP65 Indoor Outdoor Hygrometer Thermometer Wireless, 394ft Bluetooth Range, Refrigerator Thermometer, Dewpoint/VPD/Absolute Humidity Sensor, Free Data Storage Export, 2 Years Battery Life : Patio, Lawn & Garden

Buy SwitchBot IP65 Indoor Outdoor Hygrometer Thermometer Wireless, 394ft Bluetooth Range, Refrigerator Thermometer, Dewpoint/VPD/Absolute Humidity Sensor, Free Data Storage Export, 2 Years Battery Life: Outdoor Thermometers - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

This simple cube and the app you can download will track your environment so you can change things. If the issue is humidity you can make a plastic cover and call it a humidity dome. If it is too chilly put it in a box with a heat lamp.
I followed a young fella on another board who had a photo Bruce banner deep in flower with a light a fan and a box. He looked to be clearing a couple of lids with his low tech grow.
For dollars spent vrs yield he is a legend.

Have one for my chicken brooder. I also have humidity domes on them, I just opened it up for pics. The first was a donut package, now they both have water bottle covers. Thx again.

 

[Dieguito10]

Just FYI a grow light that the tech sheet measured in Lumens is not useful for a cannabis grower. Lumens is basically how bright the light is to the human eye. It does not measure energy level and there is no direct or even indirect method to cross lumens into lux or ppfd.

Original OP grayoldnproud.
Love to help you with your falling off. I have some suggestions as what your are doing is consistently not working.
The medium and the watering are the 2 most obvious points points to work of first. From the pictures of the top of the pot I would ask if the rest of the pot looks like the top. It has a lot of larger scraps of wood and rabbit poop right in the mix.
Now I have made compost for years but never with rabbit poop. I have also made compost tea but again never with poop.
Compost breaks down organic material. Rabbit poop as a top dressing that has not been cooked opens up the possibility or bacterial contamination in your grow. Poop contains no benny bacteria and has no Humic Acid components so all the bacteria in poop is non- benificial. It should be cooked as compost to make it broke down and the bacteria sterilized.
Watering:
With so much larger organic material the drying cycle is going to be hard to pin down. Seedlings hate being wet. I use a much more consistent medium suitable for Cannabis.
Lights: One of you pictures tells a tale. The pic with 4 stretch stems one of which is ready to fall over. Your light is not set with enough power to generate anything but stems. It needs more light and is actively searching for light. Help the seedling out and next run get that light 2 times closer or turned up 2 times the power.
Transperation rate:
This long word is the relationship between temp and humidity. At this point we want a low transperation rate with medium temps but high humidity. A lot of growers ( myself included ) use a controller for tailoring this rate called VDP to a rate that matches the plants grow point. Starting at .8 vdp in seedling and going to 1.5 vdp late in flower. As you reduce humidity the vdp goes up and the transperation rate goes up. This is the amount of water moving through a plant. Water brings nutrition. If the plant is not ready for a high transperation rate it will stall and if to far out of range it will die off.
Those seedlings should still be north of 65% RH at a reasonable temp of 75-80. It also needs to be consistent. If your humidity and temp move more than a few % points in an hours time stability of enviroment is causing stress. In outside environments the movement of temp and humidity is slow cause the great outdoors is the biggest lung room in the world and things move slowly for the most part.
Just some points to consider.
Good Luck

Sorry, don't mean to correct you about the lumens, just to spread right info, I worked 12 years as a lighting designer (and a phograoher! ), lumens, lux , power, color temperature, and so on was my bread and butter, 1 lux = 1 lumen per square meter, therefore, for example ,if your growing environment total 10sqm, and you have a total of 6000 lumens coming out of your lights, you have 600 lux, then of course there are other factors, like reflective index of your environment walls, the distance of the light from the plant, the color temperature of the light, and some other very technical calculation to find out the correct amount of photons reaching the plant. (that's why I like LED lights, they can very easly mix different color temperatures to achieve a full spectrum of wavelength needed by the plant, mimicking the natural day light during the different stages of the day), that's for the light, about the plant needs, watering, growing medium, exc. I'm at lost, being a brand new indoor growers (first time), therefore I'm grateful for your expertise and suggestion on the subject
Thanks!

 

[JIMKSI64]

Lumens as a measurement does not measure energy.
Lux as a measurement does not measure energy.
Neither have a direct correlation to a ppfd measurement without more data ( led count, watts)

If you could please show me a conversion formula to prove otherwise
I to am not a toe stepper. I have learned a lot about growing and when I learn more information I change my mind very easily. If my statement is incorrect please help me work through it as I am not one to push false ideas.

 

[grayoldnproud]

@Dieguito10 and @JIMKSI64 I don't mind the insight but how about take the discussion about the intricacies of lighting to that thread or make one if you really want to talk about that.

 

[JIMKSI64]

@Dieguito10 and @JIMKSI64 I don't mind the insight but how about take the discussion about the intricacies of lighting to that thread or make one if you really want to talk about that.

Apologies sir.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Apologies sir.

No need. It's just I don't really concern myself with that. This is my first grow in decades and I was never a "grower" I was a thrower. So I am learning this year but I will never be growing inside except to start then they will go out in the sun and there isn't any light or maybe isn't, that can beat that. Again, appreciate all the practical insight.

 

[Dieguito10]

Lumens as a measurement does not measure energy.
Lux as a measurement does not measure energy.
Neither have a direct correlation to a ppfd measurement without more data ( led count, watts)

If you could please show me a conversion formula to prove otherwise
I to am not a toe stepper. I have learned a lot about growing and when I learn more information I change my mind very easily. If my statement is incorrect please help me work through it as I am not one to push false ideas.

Good morning, thanks for the reply.
To answer your question, I am not sure what you mean with "energy".. there is no such a measurement unit in lighting. You can calculate power, but energy is a multivalent entity, in the case of lighting, which is what we are discussing here, it's "electrical energy", which can be transformed into heat & light (the definition of light is "Visible energy" and its spectrum goes from red to violet and every color in between), which can be measured in degree and lumens (their measuring units), or power, in case of measuring consumption
Besically energy is a force needed to do a task (in our case is electrical energy lighting a plant), and it's measured in lumens coming out of light source, and in lux when measuring how much of that light hit the target surface (in our case the plant).
To make a very basic example, our body need energy to work, we get it through nutrients (protein mostly), but we do not say "I eat 10 grams of energy today " but we say "10 grams of protein" to specify the measuring units (grams) and the medium through which we intake the energy (protein).
Not sure if it make sense.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Status change so I’m updating. I have the two critical girls outside this morning for the first time this is day four. I’m also going to link an article from cannabis business times that talks about planting autos directly in 3 gallon pots, which is exactly what I want to do this entire auto try and just never got around to it until today and that’s the main update. The video shows the two new Amnesia Haze girls and they are straight sown in their pot.

And here is a link to an article discussing what was seen at Cornell with transplant vs pot sown autos. A clear difference.

Research Explores How to Reduce Transplanting Stress in Autoflowering Cannabis

A trial conducted in Western New York sheds insight on how transplant timing and container size can impact plant growth in autoflowering plants.

www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com