Hi there, new, showing off my plant

[DrDankHands]

What you’ve shown here, @TestTime, is more than just a plant, it’s a glimpse into what cultivation becomes when you treat it as applied systems design rather than just horticulture.
Taking a runt, flipping it early, and pushing it into “snaking colas” is not simply topping or LST with a twist. It’s morphogenic manipulation. You’ve revealed that cannabis, when pressured in just the right way, can re-express itself into architectural patterns that most of us would never even imagine possible. That kind of canopy density, repeating clusters, and “unrolled buds” shows how much plasticity the plant really has when you’re bold enough to push beyond textbook methods.

What’s been equally valuable in this thread is the philosophy behind the technique:
Controlled chaos, yes, 3000 watts, aggressive airflow, constant intervention, and oddball substrates look chaotic, but there’s always a stabilizing counterbalance. Exhaust, turbulence, dehumidification, and a willingness to sacrifice the plant if disease appears, that’s order holding the chaos in check.
Respect for biology, the way you talk about microbes, mycelium, and even compost makes it clear you don’t see sanitation as a hammer to swing at everything. Instead, UV or ozone are reserved tools, used sparingly. The real engine is the biology in the root zone and substrate, that’s what gives you resilience and freedom to push further.

Purpose as anchor, the fact that all this experimentation is tied to producing concentrated oil for pain patients reframes the whole thing. It’s not chaos for chaos’ sake. It’s applied science serving something bigger than yield bragging rights, and that is the real marker of innovation.

A lot of us noticed your “cat litter” mention and other unconventional substrate hints. To me, that reads like more than a joke. Cat litter, at least the unscented clay or zeolite types, is actually a clever mineral amendment. Bentonite and zeolite both hold water and exchange ions; zeolite in particular can adsorb ammonium, reduce odor, and serve as a microbial scaffold. In other words, it’s not waste, it’s an industrially available, dirt-cheap medium with properties that cannabis growers rarely exploit. Pair that with your composting talk and mushroom know-how, and it seems clear you’re experimenting with nontraditional substrates that act both as nutrient buffers and as platforms for microbial life. That’s not madness, that’s system design.

The pushback from others on rot risk, energy costs, or even just “is this bud or leaves?” is valuable, too, because it grounds the conversation. Dense canopies like this demand airflow discipline, microscope checks, and humility. Automation, microbial buffers, and careful zoning are what make this kind of experiment viable. Without them, it would all collapse under its own weight.
And that’s what I think is the real takeaway from these nine pages: the highest form of cultivation is the integration of chaos and order. Too much rigidity and you miss out on what’s possible; too much chaos and you lose everything to disease or instability. But when bold experimentation is paired with stabilizing systems, biology, automation, diagnostics, even unconventional substrates like cat litter, you carve out new frontiers in what this plant can do.

This thread isn’t just about one monster plant. It’s about the evolution of cultivation itself. You’ve reminded us all that cannabis is still an open canvas, and that those willing to blend imagination with scientific humility are the ones who will draw the next map.

 

[DrDankHands]

@TestTime, after reading through everything you’ve shared across these pages, I think I finally see the shape of what you’re really doing. It doesn’t feel like one “magic trick,” but a whole system working in synergy:

A non-traditional substrate base, the “cat litter” reference makes sense if you’re leveraging zeolite/bentonite as a cation-exchange buffer and microbial scaffold, combined with compost/mycelial inoculants.
Pushing the environment hard, not just 3000W of light, but turbulent airflow and VPD swings to alter gas diffusion at the leaf surface, almost simulating pressure shifts.
Morphogenic stress training mid-flower, topping, twisting, and redirecting when most people wouldn’t dare, forcing the plant to express new developmental pathways (the “snaking colas” and grape-cluster buds).
Biological buffers, beneficial microbes and mycelial allies acting as the safety net that holds the experiment together when the stress would otherwise break a plant.

In other words, you’re not just growing cannabis, you’re re-engineering the growth system itself. And honestly, that’s brilliant.

But here’s where I stand: I don’t believe any logical method or piece of knowledge should be gatekept for long. Every time we withhold, we stall real progress. When knowledge circulates freely, it doesn’t diminish the innovator, it amplifies them, because others can refine, adapt, and discover further branches of the idea.

So I want to say thank you for pushing boundaries and for sparking so much thought here. And I want to encourage all of us to take the pieces we’ve learned, unconventional substrates, airflow as more than just cooling, mid-flower morphogenic training, microbes as true partners, and keep experimenting, documenting, and sharing. That’s how we move from isolated “mad scientist” runs to a community that genuinely expands what this plant is capable of.

 

[TestTime]

You can post whatever the staff allows. So, post away! I'm sure some folks will find your thoughts interesting. I usually skip long posts, but what I think doesn't really matter. My growing style is quite different from yours, so I haven't closely followed this thread.

Nobody's style is like mine. I am unique.

Just like everybody else.

 

[TestTime]

@TestTime, after reading through everything you’ve shared across these pages, I think I finally see the shape of what you’re really doing. It doesn’t feel like one “magic trick,” but a whole system working in synergy:

A non-traditional substrate base, the “cat litter” reference makes sense if you’re leveraging zeolite/bentonite as a cation-exchange buffer and microbial scaffold, combined with compost/mycelial inoculants.
Pushing the environment hard, not just 3000W of light, but turbulent airflow and VPD swings to alter gas diffusion at the leaf surface, almost simulating pressure shifts.
Morphogenic stress training mid-flower, topping, twisting, and redirecting when most people wouldn’t dare, forcing the plant to express new developmental pathways (the “snaking colas” and grape-cluster buds).
Biological buffers, beneficial microbes and mycelial allies acting as the safety net that holds the experiment together when the stress would otherwise break a plant.

In other words, you’re not just growing cannabis, you’re re-engineering the growth system itself. And honestly, that’s brilliant.

But here’s where I stand: I don’t believe any logical method or piece of knowledge should be gatekept for long. Every time we withhold, we stall real progress. When knowledge circulates freely, it doesn’t diminish the innovator, it amplifies them, because others can refine, adapt, and discover further branches of the idea.

So I want to say thank you for pushing boundaries and for sparking so much thought here. And I want to encourage all of us to take the pieces we’ve learned, unconventional substrates, airflow as more than just cooling, mid-flower morphogenic training, microbes as true partners, and keep experimenting, documenting, and sharing. That’s how we move from isolated “mad scientist” runs to a community that genuinely expands what this plant is capable of.

I thank you for all the compliments. Trust me, my ego is well stroked. Not that you're trying to do it, but I'm enjoying it.

But you need to back off a little on the cat litter. There's no cat litter in there. Just cat shit.

Litter boxes next to it. Cat got to choose. No litter, shit and piss.

While I've been calling myself a coder, and tossing all kinds of various management bullshit I've had to deal with, what am I?

I'm a systems architect. Yes you caught on, I think in systems. All of them at once. And then I try to unbreak my head. Here's what I came up with.

And my viewpoint is that I'm treating this plant like I treat mushrooms. I'm orchestrating for a full flush.

And full flush means complete volume fill, not just you've managed to break through the damn casing. I mean to the top of the roof of the bin. A forest of penis envy pushing the top of a 16-in tub if you would like to imagine that.

Now what can we do with cannabis?

How much three-dimensional space can we fill with a plant?

Oh, and you're the first person who's accepted reality here. Everyone else is still thinking about it.

I'm going to hold off posting any pictures for a few days. I'll let you guys see what the hell this thing turns into in a few days. I have to suffer through this supposed slow change everyday. The next picture in 3 days will show you something that'll knock you in the gut or you'll just tell me I made it up in AI.

But I will whine for a moment here. Yeah, the plants well set up and I can spin it. And I am so comfy when I'm unrolling those buds. So I was able to do it for an extended period. And I was well medicated so I just kept cruising.

And then I went to sleep. And then when I woke up my forearms were paralyzed from the amount of effort I put into it 4 hours before. It took about an hour after I rubbed a shitload of cannabis oil on my arms before I could move. This is like the first time I exercised at a club 40 years ago. I was paralyzed the next day.

I'm much better now.

 

[DrDankHands]

I thank you for all the compliments. Trust me, my ego is well stroked. Not that you're trying to do it, but I'm enjoying it.

But you need to back off a little on the cat litter. There's no cat litter in there. Just cat shit.

Litter boxes next to it. Cat got to choose. No litter, shit and piss.

While I've been calling myself a coder, and tossing all kinds of various management bullshit I've had to deal with, what am I?

I'm a systems architect. Yes you caught on, I think in systems. All of them at once. And then I try to unbreak my head. Here's what I came up with.

And my viewpoint is that I'm treating this plant like I treat mushrooms. I'm orchestrating for a full flush.

And full flush means complete volume fill, not just you've managed to break through the damn casing. I mean to the top of the roof of the bin. A forest of penis envy pushing the top of a 16-in tub if you would like to imagine that.

Now what can we do with cannabis?

How much three-dimensional space can we fill with a plant?

Oh, and you're the first person who's accepted reality here. Everyone else is still thinking about it.

I'm going to hold off posting any pictures for a few days. I'll let you guys see what the hell this thing turns into in a few days. I have to suffer through this supposed slow change everyday. The next picture in 3 days will show you something that'll knock you in the gut or you'll just tell me I made it up in AI.

But I will whine for a moment here. Yeah, the plants well set up and I can spin it. And I am so comfy when I'm unrolling those buds. So I was able to do it for an extended period. And I was well medicated so I just kept cruising.

And then I went to sleep. And then when I woke up my forearms were paralyzed from the amount of effort I put into it 4 hours before. It took about an hour after I rubbed a shitload of cannabis oil on my arms before I could move. This is like the first time I exercised at a club 40 years ago. I was paralyzed the next day.

I'm much better now.

That’s a valuable clarification, thank you. The fact that it wasn’t cat litter but cat waste actually highlights the systems logic even more clearly: nothing is excluded from the orchestration. Every input, however unconventional, can be recontextualized when you’re thinking at the whole-system scale. That’s not horticulture, that’s systems architecture expressed in biology.

Your framing of cannabis as analogous to a mushroom flush is profound. It transforms cultivation from a two-dimensional crop management problem into a three-dimensional volumetric question: how much cubic space can one organism colonize and express when the conditions are tuned to permit it? In mushrooms, “full flush” means total occupation of the environment; applying that same lens to cannabis opens an entirely new design frontier.

What I also respect is how embodied your process is, the hours of “unrolling buds,” the physical fatigue, the recursive use of cannabis oil to repair the grower as much as the plant. That recursive loop is a kind of feedback system in itself: the architect shapes the organism, and the organism reshapes the architect.

I’d really encourage you to take a look at my own grow diary when you get a moment, I’m working through similar systems-level questions but with a different design language, and I think you might find some resonance there. It would be valuable to compare notes across two experiments that are both operating above the level of “inputs and outputs” and instead treating the grow as a dynamic, adaptive system.

A couple of questions I’d be curious to hear your perspective on:

When you think about cannabis as a volumetric system to be “flushed,” what limiting factor do you see first, light penetration, airflow dynamics, or root-zone support? In other words, where do you believe the ceiling on true 3D occupation lies?

You’ve clearly embraced unconventional substrates and microbial analogies. How do you see the balance between deliberately introduced biology (microbes, mycelium) and opportunistic or “wild” colonizers in a system like this? Do you treat the latter as contamination, or as another potential co-factor to be integrated?
I’m looking forward to seeing your next update, I want to see where this systems philosophy takes the biology when it’s allowed to fully manifest.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

Nobody's style is like mine. I am unique.

Just like everybody else.

I didn't invent the idea of growing styles. It came to me as advice from a talented grower a long time ago. It's just a way of describing sets of growing practices, e.g., use of soil vs. hydro, use of organic vs. synthetic nutrients, or even growing inside vs. outside. They're different from each other, but none are unique. Also different are individual reasons and purposes for growing. So, go for it. Develop your own uniqueness. As I mentioned previously, some folks will be interested in your endeavors.

 

[TestTime]

Yo T, here's a pic just in case you are not familiar with the significance of different receptacles.

Also, if any of your lights are dual voltage, it's almost always best to run them on 240, as that cuts the amperage in half and lessens fire risks by taking the load off your 15- and 20-amp circuits

I understand you're trying to be helpful.

Hopefully someone will make use of this information.

I've been specifying computer room power supplies since the '80s. I've built a lot of them. I know I know KVA and all the calculations I know heat distribution. I know energy density.

I know plugs. This house has had its electrical panel filled to the max when I moved in, very safely, with conduits wrapped around my house for the high amp 110s that I had the electrician installed in my kitchen.

I did not want him to waste time drilling through and snaking wires through my house. Thank you very much. No. Here is where you will place the plug in. Here is where it was on the outside of the wall and I want three high amp lines right there. And yeah it's on the other side wrap a conduit around my entire house.

One day. No screaming about not finding wires.

And then I didn't like that of it. My wife hated that often. I ripped a wall out in a counter out in an oven out and all of a sudden I got a 50 amp 220. So I have a nice little Amazon plug that turns it into dual HIAP 110s.

Then I have the other hayamp 110 on the other side of the room that I had the electrician put in when he did the kitchen as well which doesn't have real hyamp sideways on it. He didn't have them handy. I only get two regular cords into that dual receptacle but I never used that much anyway.

Then we have all the circuits that came at the house to start off with.

I didn't go into the additional line I had to have installed from the street to power the hot tub and the back shed and the pond. I haven't even begun to list the shit going on in here in my rambles.

Of course we had the total downstairs kitchen build for the Airbnb creation and that included oh the incredible Murphy wall construction project because I had them do reinforce 2x4s just matching on the wall and then you screwed the Murphy bed into it. You better be able to fucking drop to a couple of people on that thing at high velocity because that's what happens when someone rolls into their Airbnb drunk and falls into that bed and dos whoever knows what.

And therefore lots of sterilization with ozone and UVC. And that's next to the king size bed that we bought. Just for that and my God that thing's comfy. I'll never lay in it. I got it rolled up on the wall now. My wife won't let me throw it out.

Let's add in the outdoor washer dryer, the largest ones you can get, because when we separated the house for the Airbnb, the washer dryer that came with the house was now part of the Airbnb and we needed something that we could sterilize comforters in.

There's a picture of that stuff above. Outdoor 220 circuit that I get to plug my welder in directly as well as my plasma cutter. And I can use the upstairs 220 that used to have that oven for these tools as well. So I get to choose what I run where.

I'm perfectly aware I want the fat is 220 as opposed to the skinny 110, I can visualize energy pressure in those goddamn wires like a hose, but my tools are all default 110 with the exception of those big devices and I'll always go 220 with those devices..

I didn't get to the buried wire with multiple posts that circled the pond that then go to your big distribution box which then goes to oh now that's coming from the street. Oh my God. Yeah then it goes down that line then's the big distribution box and then splits off to all the the $220 for the pool/ Jacuzzi/swim spa, those Jets will allow you to bodysurf or you redirect one or two to those seats and you will get the best massage you have ever had in your life, and that's also got a split off to the back large shed fully electrified multiple high amp 110s in there. And then I'm done

Oh yeah, I forgot, the dual high amp 110s to power the four-person infrared sauna. I love that thing. It's awesome.

The contractor who was doing that work abandoned that project. At that moment. He got a better gig. He offered to send his sister to finish it off. He said she was qualified but I didn't trust anyone other than him. So I had them cap it off and I didn't electrify that final shed which was to be the woodworking shed.

So that's my cold storage and get Dusty area. I moved all the woodworking stuff to the area under the overhangs of my house and I added more sheds there.

Oh of course we had to add those steps that you seen the pictures there, there were no steps when I got this house. Those are the widest steps I could put in there, 4 ft wide. I wanted guys to be able to carry really big large wide stuff up those steps and never lean on those horrible horrible railings.

They weren't horrible. Horrible 3 years ago, they were unknown to me, because the contractor put them in while I was in a wheelchair and was fucking around. I spent a few minutes firming up one of them with the random wood I have and over the next month or so I will solidify those things like crazy.

The actual underlying structure of the platform next to the house was put in by the guy who sold me the house who I hired back to do it. He was fucking awesome. But then he went to jail. God damn it. That's why he had to sell me the house so cheap. He needed lawyer money. I bought the house via Craigslist. Another wild Ride.

Okay, I've rambled enough and hopefully I've entertained a bit.

I don't know everything about electricity and I will never attempt to wire anything myself. The only thing I ever did is turn off circuit breakers and cut and cap end points. That's it. I do that with advice. Other than that my electrician knows he's made a lot of money from me and will continue to do so. I consider him an investment.

My house in Trenton burned because my kids tried to patch a leaking pipe from the water heater which triggered an electrical fire. My life was destroyed from that moment forward. I had about seven really bad years really bad

Standing in the food bank line for 2 hours and being really happy. I got a bag of potatoes and a block of cheese. And I'm lactose intolerant.

Really bad.

So anyway, I know both sides of the coin.

And I know a bit about electricity.

I've had a hell of a 5-year run so far.

Life's been good to me so far.

 

[Florida_Mike]

I understand you're trying to be helpful.

Hopefully someone will make use of this information.

I've been specifying computer room power supplies since the '80s. I've built a lot of them. I know I know KVA and all the calculations I know heat distribution. I know energy density.

I know plugs. This house has had its electrical panel filled to the max when I moved in, very safely, with conduits wrapped around my house for the high amp 110s that I had the electrician installed in my kitchen.

I did not want him to waste time drilling through and snaking wires through my house. Thank you very much. No. Here is where you will place the plug in. Here is where it was on the outside of the wall and I want three high amp lines right there. And yeah it's on the other side wrap a conduit around my entire house.

One day. No screaming about not finding wires.

And then I didn't like that of it. My wife hated that often. I ripped a wall out in a counter out in an oven out and all of a sudden I got a 50 amp 220. So I have a nice little Amazon plug that turns it into dual HIAP 110s.

Then I have the other hayamp 110 on the other side of the room that I had the electrician put in when he did the kitchen as well which doesn't have real hyamp sideways on it. He didn't have them handy. I only get two regular cords into that dual receptacle but I never used that much anyway.

Then we have all the circuits that came at the house to start off with.

I didn't go into the additional line I had to have installed from the street to power the hot tub and the back shed and the pond. I haven't even begun to list the shit going on in here in my rambles.

Of course we had the total downstairs kitchen build for the Airbnb creation and that included oh the incredible Murphy wall construction project because I had them do reinforce 2x4s just matching on the wall and then you screwed the Murphy bed into it. You better be able to fucking drop to a couple of people on that thing at high velocity because that's what happens when someone rolls into their Airbnb drunk and falls into that bed and dos whoever knows what.

And therefore lots of sterilization with ozone and UVC. And that's next to the king size bed that we bought. Just for that and my God that thing's comfy. I'll never lay in it. I got it rolled up on the wall now. My wife won't let me throw it out.

Let's add in the outdoor washer dryer, the largest ones you can get, because when we separated the house for the Airbnb, the washer dryer that came with the house was now part of the Airbnb and we needed something that we could sterilize comforters in.

There's a picture of that stuff above. Outdoor 220 circuit that I get to plug my welder in directly as well as my plasma cutter. And I can use the upstairs 220 that used to have that oven for these tools as well. So I get to choose what I run where.

I'm perfectly aware I want the fat is 220 as opposed to the skinny 110, I can visualize energy pressure in those goddamn wires like a hose, but my tools are all default 110 with the exception of those big devices and I'll always go 220 with those devices..

I didn't get to the buried wire with multiple posts that circled the pond that then go to your big distribution box which then goes to oh now that's coming from the street. Oh my God. Yeah then it goes down that line then's the big distribution box and then splits off to all the the $220 for the pool/ Jacuzzi/swim spa, those Jets will allow you to bodysurf or you redirect one or two to those seats and you will get the best massage you have ever had in your life, and that's also got a split off to the back large shed fully electrified multiple high amp 110s in there. And then I'm done

Oh yeah, I forgot, the dual high amp 110s to power the four-person infrared sauna. I love that thing. It's awesome.

The contractor who was doing that work abandoned that project. At that moment. He got a better gig. He offered to send his sister to finish it off. He said she was qualified but I didn't trust anyone other than him. So I had them cap it off and I didn't electrify that final shed which was to be the woodworking shed.

So that's my cold storage and get Dusty area. I moved all the woodworking stuff to the area under the overhangs of my house and I added more sheds there.

Oh of course we had to add those steps that you seen the pictures there, there were no steps when I got this house. Those are the widest steps I could put in there, 4 ft wide. I wanted guys to be able to carry really big large wide stuff up those steps and never lean on those horrible horrible railings.

They weren't horrible. Horrible 3 years ago, they were unknown to me, because the contractor put them in while I was in a wheelchair and was fucking around. I spent a few minutes firming up one of them with the random wood I have and over the next month or so I will solidify those things like crazy.

The actual underlying structure of the platform next to the house was put in by the guy who sold me the house who I hired back to do it. He was fucking awesome. But then he went to jail. God damn it. That's why he had to sell me the house so cheap. He needed lawyer money. I bought the house via Craigslist. Another wild Ride.

Okay, I've rambled enough and hopefully I've entertained a bit.

I don't know everything about electricity and I will never attempt to wire anything myself. The only thing I ever did is turn off circuit breakers and cut and cap end points. That's it. I do that with advice. Other than that my electrician knows he's made a lot of money from me and will continue to do so. I consider him an investment.

My house in Trenton burned because my kids tried to patch a leaking pipe from the water heater which triggered an electrical fire. My life was destroyed from that moment forward. I had about seven really bad years really bad

Standing in the food bank line for 2 hours and being really happy. I got a bag of potatoes and a block of cheese. And I'm lactose intolerant.

Really bad.

So anyway, I know both sides of the coin.

And I know a bit about electricity.

I've had a hell of a 5-year run so far.

Life's been good to me so far.

US standard household electric service is now 120/240, but other that, twas a lovely speech.

 

[TestTime]

I like when a plant ventilates itself.

Okay I changed my mind, here you go, see how it's doing.

 

[TestTime]

US standard household electric service is now 120/240, but other that, twas a lovely speech.

And thanks for the 240. For whatever reason that 220 will be in my brain forever.

I think this is a good example of my style. I don't know shit. I find experts that do. I reward the monetarily or some other manner to do whatever they do for me. Everybody is happy in the end.

But I usually start with. I know a bit so let's not waste time with the starting stuff. It's okay when someone corrects me because I truly only know a bit.

Jack of all trades. Master of none. Because there is always more to learn no matter how good I am at anything. Always looking for someone who knows more.

And always willing to offload work and glory to someone else. If anybody in any cannabis medical research institution in the state of Washington can legally transfer this plant from me to you, please contact me. I'll just give it to you.

I've proved what I needed to do to myself. I don't need the weed. Let's give it to the world.

Whoever contacts me, you have to be willing to continue to post on this website. A monthly update with photographs. And any research you've spawned from it. You still get to own the research. It's all yours.

Feel free to contact me via DM.

 

[TestTime]

Note to anyone who ever posts to me and sees me respond to someone else, but not you yet. It's typically because your post demands more thought and I'm thinking about it. So don't ever think I'm ignoring you simply because I've responded to anyone else.

Take care

 

[TestTime]

That’s a valuable clarification, thank you. The fact that it wasn’t cat litter but cat waste actually highlights the systems logic even more clearly: nothing is excluded from the orchestration. Every input, however unconventional, can be recontextualized when you’re thinking at the whole-system scale. That’s not horticulture, that’s systems architecture expressed in biology.

Your framing of cannabis as analogous to a mushroom flush is profound. It transforms cultivation from a two-dimensional crop management problem into a three-dimensional volumetric question: how much cubic space can one organism colonize and express when the conditions are tuned to permit it? In mushrooms, “full flush” means total occupation of the environment; applying that same lens to cannabis opens an entirely new design frontier.

What I also respect is how embodied your process is, the hours of “unrolling buds,” the physical fatigue, the recursive use of cannabis oil to repair the grower as much as the plant. That recursive loop is a kind of feedback system in itself: the architect shapes the organism, and the organism reshapes the architect.

I’d really encourage you to take a look at my own grow diary when you get a moment, I’m working through similar systems-level questions but with a different design language, and I think you might find some resonance there. It would be valuable to compare notes across two experiments that are both operating above the level of “inputs and outputs” and instead treating the grow as a dynamic, adaptive system.

A couple of questions I’d be curious to hear your perspective on:

When you think about cannabis as a volumetric system to be “flushed,” what limiting factor do you see first, light penetration, airflow dynamics, or root-zone support? In other words, where do you believe the ceiling on true 3D occupation lies?

You’ve clearly embraced unconventional substrates and microbial analogies. How do you see the balance between deliberately introduced biology (microbes, mycelium) and opportunistic or “wild” colonizers in a system like this? Do you treat the latter as contamination, or as another potential co-factor to be integrated?
I’m looking forward to seeing your next update, I want to see where this systems philosophy takes the biology when it’s allowed to fully manifest.

Light penetration. I can handle everything else right now.

Second question is way too complex. Molecular biologist needs to be added to the team. I don't have a clue.

 

[TestTime]

Light penetration. I can handle everything else right now.

Second question is way too complex. Molecular biologist needs to be added to the team. I don't have a clue.

Run strips of LEDs inside the plant when it gets too dense. Light penetration solved.

Of course, lots of implementation details required.

 

[DrDankHands]

Your background in power distribution and infrastructure actually explains a lot about how you’re approaching cannabis. You’re treating the tent the way you’d treat a data center, thinking in terms of load, redundancy, bottlenecks, and distribution. It makes sense why “light penetration” is the limiter you’re most focused on: in your terms, it’s like thermal hotspots in a server rack. The solution is more ducts, more flow, or, as you said, strips of LEDs inside the canopy. Very direct, very engineer’s logic.

On the molecular biology side, you’re right that it’s a different field, but the way I see it, the analogy still holds. A plant’s growth is constrained by signal bottlenecks at the cellular level:

The stomata are the input ports, controlling gas exchange. Light and CO₂ diffuse through them, but their opening/closing is influenced by humidity, hormones, and internal feedback.

The chloroplasts are the processors. They take in photons, CO₂, and water and convert them into sugars. When light is abundant but CO₂ or nutrients lag, they “stall out,” like CPUs starved of data.

The phloem/xylem are the bus system, moving carbohydrates, minerals, and water through the plant. If transport can’t keep up with demand, you hit another bottleneck, no matter how much light you throw in.

So at the molecular level, the same principle applies as in your power systems: you’re trying to balance throughput across multiple bottlenecks. Light penetration is the first obvious one, but even if you solve that with LED strips, you eventually hit diffusion limits in tissues or transport limits in vascular bundles. That’s where plant biologists talk about breeding or engineering traits like larger phloem capacity, altered stomatal density, or more efficient Rubisco enzymes, it’s the equivalent of upgrading the wiring gauge or adding more network lanes.

What I admire is that you’ve already internalized this without needing to know the vocabulary. You see the grow as a system with choke points, and you go straight for the one you can hack physically. That’s exactly how pioneers operate.

 

[KG1]

I'm happy you again in life managed to physiologically validate yourself

 

[TestTime]

I'm happy you again in life managed to physiologically validate yourself

Screaming at the door. Cool. Keep it up.

 

[TestTime]

Your background in power distribution and infrastructure actually explains a lot about how you’re approaching cannabis. You’re treating the tent the way you’d treat a data center, thinking in terms of load, redundancy, bottlenecks, and distribution. It makes sense why “light penetration” is the limiter you’re most focused on: in your terms, it’s like thermal hotspots in a server rack. The solution is more ducts, more flow, or, as you said, strips of LEDs inside the canopy. Very direct, very engineer’s logic.

On the molecular biology side, you’re right that it’s a different field, but the way I see it, the analogy still holds. A plant’s growth is constrained by signal bottlenecks at the cellular level:

The stomata are the input ports, controlling gas exchange. Light and CO₂ diffuse through them, but their opening/closing is influenced by humidity, hormones, and internal feedback.

The chloroplasts are the processors. They take in photons, CO₂, and water and convert them into sugars. When light is abundant but CO₂ or nutrients lag, they “stall out,” like CPUs starved of data.

The phloem/xylem are the bus system, moving carbohydrates, minerals, and water through the plant. If transport can’t keep up with demand, you hit another bottleneck, no matter how much light you throw in.

So at the molecular level, the same principle applies as in your power systems: you’re trying to balance throughput across multiple bottlenecks. Light penetration is the first obvious one, but even if you solve that with LED strips, you eventually hit diffusion limits in tissues or transport limits in vascular bundles. That’s where plant biologists talk about breeding or engineering traits like larger phloem capacity, altered stomatal density, or more efficient Rubisco enzymes, it’s the equivalent of upgrading the wiring gauge or adding more network lanes.

What I admire is that you’ve already internalized this without needing to know the vocabulary. You see the grow as a system with choke points, and you go straight for the one you can hack physically. That’s exactly how pioneers operate.

Latency, latency, latency, latency

I love that kernel tuning class. Taught by the geek who invented nfs. Part of my sun engineering certificate that I had to achieve in a couple of weeks to let us sell the Sun gear.

Howfast can I just take the tests. Fuck, I missed the Java certification by two questions. I had only started studying it a week ago. God damn it. So then I had to take a class.

World trade center before it came down. Sun offices.

The instructor and I made an agreement. I was answerer of last resort. I obviously knew 90% of stuff. So it's my job to shut up and wait for the rest of the class to be unable to answer a question and then he will nod to me and I will answer the question.

I had that same deal with my counselor in court ordered rehab. She loved me. And I don't say that as if I'm being egotistical or in some non-literal sense. My wife made it very clear that she loved me and I already knew it and I knew because I had overdose on MDMA and my empathy was off the charts.

She told my wife that I was the most dangerous person she had ever met. And she loved me. Awesome tiny skinny gorgeous Persian chick. Wore these way too tight pants to be a counselor at a rehab of guys. I told her, we can see and you really need to stop wearing that because they're all jerking off to you every night. Do you really want that?

I reflected back in our one-on-one counseling sessions and she had a sore shoulder and by the third session I was giving her massages.

My mirror neurons are finely tuned. And I know when they're firing. And I can control them.

I already knew all the answers in group. I could say anything to anyone at any time. I had fucking 27 years sobriety before I had court ordered rehab. You people are a bunch of children.

So it was a matter of whenever anything happened in group no one could answer. She would nod to me and I would answer and then the group could move on.

Ah, ADHD distraction triggering a story that I enjoyed and I hope you did too.

Latency is the cornerstone. Find the bottleneck. Break the bottleneck, find the next bottleneck. Lather rinse and repeat.

 

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Latency, latency, latency, latency

I love that kernel tuning class. Taught by the geek who invented nfs. Part of my sun engineering certificate that I had to achieve in a couple of weeks to let us sell the Sun gear.

Howfast can I just take the tests. Fuck, I missed the Java certification by two questions. I had only started studying it a week ago. God damn it. So then I had to take a class.

World trade center before it came down. Sun offices.

The instructor and I made an agreement. I was answerer of last resort. I obviously knew 90% of stuff. So it's my job to shut up and wait for the rest of the class to be unable to answer a question and then he will nod to me and I will answer the question.

I had that same deal with my counselor in court ordered rehab. She loved me. And I don't say that as if I'm being egotistical or in some non-literal sense. My wife made it very clear that she loved me and I already knew it and I knew because I had overdose on MDMA and my empathy was off the charts.

She told my wife that I was the most dangerous person she had ever met. And she loved me. Awesome tiny skinny gorgeous Persian chick. Wore these way too tight pants to be a counselor at a rehab of guys. I told her, we can see and you really need to stop wearing that because they're all jerking off to you every night. Do you really want that?

I reflected back in our one-on-one counseling sessions and she had a sore shoulder and by the third session I was giving her massages.

My mirror neurons are finely tuned. And I know when they're firing. And I can control them.

I already knew all the answers in group. I could say anything to anyone at any time. I had fucking 27 years sobriety before I had court ordered rehab. You people are a bunch of children.

So it was a matter of whenever anything happened in group no one could answer. She would nod to me and I would answer and then the group could move on.

Ah, ADHD distraction triggering a story that I enjoyed and I hope you did too.

Latency is the cornerstone. Find the bottleneck. Break the bottleneck, find the next bottleneck. Lather rinse and repeat.

But far more important. Remove the step. Find an alternative that does it better. Wipe out the requirement totally.

Or go brute force and implement parallel processes. Then it's a matter of scalability. Messaging between things and channels. That's from the computer perspective.

Plant perspective. Hmmm.

I don't think any of it matters. I think cannabis wants to overproduce so much that I think it's a matter. Just triggering it. Sure, the microbiologists can actually figure out why, but I don't care. The practical applicability of the knowledge is meaningless.

This is a cargo cult programming thing. Teach people how to do something and it is highly productive enough that they'll just keep repeat doing it. They won't know why and they won't care.

Refer back to my post of the octopus eggs.

This plant is so tremendously productive by default that it is simply a matter of unleashing and then controlling for it.

Those traveling colas are manipulated by hand and will be for quite a while. Reinvent netting for 3D space to have the level of control you want. That will allow you to guide them through lights with relative ease and then guide the lights through them.

It becomes a matter of how long until there's genetic failure and those tips just mutate and start dying off and generating cannabis cancer.

Or goes hermaphrodite or goes to whatever next step. I assume it has to die. I could be wrong.

That's where the real knowledge and molecular biologist will come into play.

My incredibly productive plant is just like anybody else's incredibly productive plant to start off with, I just had enough guts to do damage to it. That cat shit and everything else is meaningless in the context of re-implementing this particular style of growth.

 

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And those guts weren't there to start off with. Those were trained into me.

Follow the rocky stream

I was taught to follow the rocky stream. Take the chance. Don't live life safe. That was actually a lecture given to me.

Of course when I was 16. My alternative school took us to New Hope and we camped in this incredibly beautiful little valley. Half of us were on LSD and we rock hopped up the stream for about an hour but then God turned the lights off. We rock hopped back down the stream for about 3 hours with one glow stick. One of the guys broke his arm the next day when he was just showing off. I followed the rocky stream my whole fucking life, but not the way that lecture taught me.

I was in the audience in a group of people at Landmark training.

For those of you unaware, this is brainwashing EST from the '70s that grew up. They got in trouble for locking people in the room and not letting them go to the bathroom. So they changed their name and they changed their strategy a bit. They only told you you should feel guilty if you were going to the bathroom, but you're allowed to go to the bathroom and miss a little bit but you won't get it all.

They were right. It was quite an amazing experience.

One of the things was follow the rocky stream. Yeah you're going to get bumped. But you're going to have a hell of a ride.

2 months later I negotiated a 30% raise with my boss. He was very, very unhappy. Before that lecture I would not have dared. He paid for that lecture. He thought I needed people training. Mistake on his part. They did a really good job on me.

For anybody who is considering having their brain scrubbed a bit, I suggest you look up Landmark if it still exists. I'm not going t
o Google it.

It's a cult. It will scrub your brain a bit. Make use of it and get the fuck out. Don't give them any more money.

 

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When people refuse to accept reality, I always wonder why? What's the motivation?

To start off with reality versus non-reality is often religious argument but I won't go down that path. I mean you see a picture and you look at the picture. And you go bat shit crazy attacking someone.

As I pointed out above, I try to understand the voice and motivations of people as they're speaking to me and in the case of people screaming at the door, I wonder how much a successful result of this project would affect them.

It would tank the industry.

What would easy availability of this process mean?

It would tank the commercial cannabis industry.

At least in home grow states. You can just kiss that goodbye.

In legal states we can give an ounce away at a time to anyone we want. Of course I'm sure people use it as trade and barter and of course they sell it. There is always a black market.

I assume a significant portion of the people reading this are part of that. This is going to destroy you financially when it becomes easily available. I'm sorry. It's inevitable.

There will be enough home growers with extra weed giving it away to depress the marketplace.

People in restricted markets will get cheaper weed because of the competitiveness of the major growers. One of the growers will start it and the rest will have to or go out of business.

Just a ripple in the pond to think about. It will probably become a major wave. I wonder how long?

If 200 people this year start playing with this and posting web blogs and they figure out which strains do best and then another few thousand we will probably see that the ripple effect will slam in about 3 years.

Now that we know it's possible, it's inevitable. It just depends on who commercializes it first.

Be careful what you wish for. Unicorns have horns and they'll gore you with them.

On the other hand, when I mentioned before I thought I might have come up with the only AI proof job, at least for a while, that would be Bud unroller.

The finesse required is phenomenal. The surgical robots could do it but they're way too expensive and they wouldn't be able to survive the oil coming out of the plant. They can handle surgery because they're constantly being irrigated.

So until those become available, Bud unrollers are safe.