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Personal Medical Grow in Coco. [Chem D, Grape Romulan, Grapefurit Haze, Casey Jones]

Hi HT :) your thread look so cool... how you increase ppm from the start till the end? btw great strain you choose again... why we are so fucked in Europe:mad0233:
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Personal Medical Grow in Coco. [Chem D, Grape Romulan, Grapefurit Haze, Casey Jones]

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Hi HT :) your thread look so cool...
how you increase ppm from the start till the end?
btw great strain you choose again... why we are so fucked in Europe:mad0233:
 
Hi HT :) your thread look so cool...
how you increase ppm from the start till the end?
btw great strain you choose again... why we are so fucked in Europe:mad0233:

Welcome Euforia, thank you for your kind words.

I have not set way of increasing ppms gradually. I feed heavy or light depending on how the plants are feeling.

My first round, I went from EC of 1.0 to 3.6.
Second round, I stayed from 1.0 to 2.0.

Well you got that Cheese in Europe, I know what you mean though. Until recently the selection wasn't as good here either, but just recently things have taken off. I would probably be dead from liver failure from taking pain killers, MMJ helped me get my life back.

Hope one day you can be in a similar situation, just make the best of whatever situation you are in.

Again thanks for swinging by, you will enjoy this ride on the other side of the pond.
 
Thanks again for a detailed response Shady.

How much difference do you think not having the great white and bud candy in the mix made. I am wondering if a different sugar product might do better with keeping a stable pH. I have used Botanicare Sweet Grape, with a full organic line of nutes (Dutch Glory) in ebb n flow, I didn't need to use any pH up or down, I didn't even change the ressy for 4 weeks just kept topping with more water, and nutes directly in ressy. The pH kept stable, also the EC increase/decrease reflected the how much the plant ate.

Talking about that make me wanna just fork out the cash and run it, because the OG in that run was insane.

LOL, I should be the one mentioning CEC, and the necessary use of Cal/Mag with RO in coco. I am proud of you Shady, you are putting in work reading up on coco. Great timing for Shady's Round 5, Raider's Round 3, and Socachi's Round 2
Nice one brah! Thx for the kind words once again... :cool I'm sure I will still need help in coco just to get comfortable...

Honestly, I really don't know how much difference the Bud Candy and Great White would make since I only used it for one week, but theoretically it should help create a robust network of mycorrhizae and beneficial bacteria to help break down any organic nutrients for more efficient uptake by the roots... that's the difference between using chelated products vs having the microbes do the work as I understand it:I've used Botanicare's Sweet in my hydro res w/o any sever pH fluctuation, but without the mycorrhizae the sugars seem to be wasted.

On a side note, I'm diggin' those SCROG cages... What are they? Also, I noticed some ridge detail on your leaves... How's your ambient temps and relative humidity? :wondering
 
Hey Shady,

You welcome bro.

Coco already has mycorrhizae along with some other beneficials. So as the pot gets older, I reckon the network get bigger and bigger. Regardless I start the coco off with great white and molasses so I guess after that all the sugars should be doing their magic. I have been using grandma unsulph molasses for my sugar.

Those SCROG cages are from Home Depot's gardening section. I was so happy when I found these. I end up spending a lot of time at home depot just thinking about different ideas from all the things they got.

Well the temps are a bit high, as high as 86 and as low as 55. The humidity bounces from 35-65 percent. I don't have much control over the temps, the area is too small, so no ac, no heater, and no dehumidifier. As soon as I can afford it, I am planning to pick up a dehumidifier, to make sure the PM stays away in late flowering. I don't wanna vapo sulphur as I don't have a direct vent to outside. Having a small setup is a bitch man, in many ways a smaller space requires way more thinking and creativity to make the best use. I just wish I had a better place, I would just set up an automated system and forget about it.
 
Well the temps are a bit high, as high as 86 and as low as 55. The humidity bounces from 35-65 percent. I don't have much control over the temps, the area is too small, so no ac, no heater, and no dehumidifier. As soon as I can afford it, I am planning to pick up a dehumidifier, to make sure the PM stays away in late flowering. I don't wanna vapo sulphur as I don't have a direct vent to outside. Having a small setup is a bitch man, in many ways a smaller space requires way more thinking and creativity to make the best use. I just wish I had a better place, I would just set up an automated system and forget about it.
Interesting... I thought you had an aircooled hood? I guess it's hard to see your setup when I'm dazed and confused by those huge Casey Jones colas... Sounds like some of the issues you've dealt with can be improved with better airflow and consistent temps and RH... :cool

IMO, 55 deg is too low for night temps... It can easily increase stretch and the potential for lockout of certain nutrients in a cold medium. :thinking


BTW, my bag of B'cuzz Coco says nothing about mycorrhizae and I'm curious if you have any links confirming that coco comes with mycorrhizae naturally...
 
I was getting low night temps too until I added a heater. But later I changed the cycle so lights are off during the day when it's warmer outside and on at night when it's cold/cooler outside.

Now the coldest it gets in there is usually 68 sometimes 66.
 
I have been experimenting with cloning for last 6 months. I only experimented with cloning in coco and rock wool cubes but tried a lot different mixes.

Results as of now:
Coco: 5-7 days, at least 6 in roots, ready for transplant.
Rockwool: 6-9 days at least a dozen 4 in hairs a sticking out of the rock wool.


Technique

Tea mix in R/O
Base nutes @ 1/4 strength
Cal-Mag @ 5 mL/gal
Roots Excelurator @ 1 mL/gal
Great White @ 1/2 scoop/gal
Ful-Power @ 15 mL/gal
Molasses @ 7 mL/gal
Silica Blast @ 5 mL/gal

Depending on the base nutes the pH should come out very close to 5.5-5.7.

Coco: Put the coco in a small container, I usually cut the top half of a small plastic water bottle and poke a lot of whole on the sides and bottom of the lower half.

Fill it with coco, and flush with the tea mix from above, with 50 percent run-off. Put it aside for a few hours or even a day to get the bacteria growing in there.

Then just dip the stem in cloning gel/power/solution. I have only used clonex, I am sure others will probably work fine. After dipping poke it in the coco about 75% deep.

If the cuttings are weak then a humidity dome would be necessary, but I never use the dome for cloning in coco, I just flush it with the tea once and forget about it until the roots show up. As the coco drys, the start to grow crazy in search for water, if you humidity is too low and the coco dries up just use the tea at half strength and pH it to 5.5-5.7.


Rock Wool:

Dip the RW in 1/8 base nutes and pH to 5.5-5.7. I dip for 15 minutes and never had any problems rooting fast.

Then dip the stem in rooting stimulant and poke it in the RW.

Put all the RW cubes on a bed of perlite. Inject 2mL of tea mix from above in each cube and also wet the perlite with the tea mix as well. Place under the dome

Same thing here, I usually forget about them until roots show up.

***For RW, I grew the bacteria in the tea for 24 hours, just left it in the dark with an air line in it.

***For RW and Coco, if you aren't using special mother nutes, then putting the clones in a cup of RO for a day or two has really helped in cutting down the rooting time. I am thinking it helps leech or at least give the plant a chance to eat up a bit of those stored nutes.

some personal notes: i don't use sterilized blades or anything, I just use my finger which usually have hash on them most of the time. I cut off the clone and disturb the lower inch of the stem by scrapping it with my nails. I did do try the whole stereilized blade thing but it made no difference. Any bacteria from my fingers doesn't have a chance to grow next to the crazy selection of bacterias in the tea mix.

I haven't figured out the exact reasons for why my clones are rooting so fast. LOL this last batch of CJ rooted to fast, I need to modify the recipe for slower cloning so they could stay in the dome like old time for 20 days. It just gives me a huge rush when I see roots popping out after a couple of days.

Pic of CJ clone at the last hour of 6th day.

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Nice... :smiley_joint: Stop teasing us with root porn and toss up some greens...
 
Nice white roots you got going there HT. I've tried RW once but didn't use perlite, I think if I did I would have gotten better results. I usually use Root Riot, get good results from them.
 
Thanks fellows for your inputs. Time to check a lil update and give me your thoughts.

Haven't had an issue like this before, on my third grow in coco, and much hasn't changed from before so may be I screwed up while I was mixing the nutes.

What does this look like to you, the burns on the side of the blade seem like it might be cal-mag def but the tip burns look like nute burn.

I am sure a good flush with a low dose of nutes will help solve the problem, but any input on the pictures would be appreciated.


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HT looks like a little nute burn not CM but I could be wrong. Is this one of the new ones you brought in? If so maybe she's not talking the same nute program as you had for the others. I don't believe you need to flush just ease back a little.

Do you have any overall shots of your new ladies?
 
I think Shady is right on. I tlooks liek a little nute burn. I would just feed a reduced dose on your next feed like you said, but you shouldn't have to flush.
You should see my clones. I got too agressive moving them to pots and half of them are lookin real sad right not. I am using 50% chunky perlite with the coco and I think I broke some roots off. That is the challenge with the aero cloner. Moving them to the pots is a very delicate proccess.
 
Hi HT,
I think the problem is more nitrogen than necessary, it is possible and not air reaches the roots ... take care
 
I think Shady is right on. I tlooks liek a little nute burn. I would just feed a reduced dose on your next feed like you said, but you shouldn't have to flush.
You should see my clones. I got too agressive moving them to pots and half of them are lookin real sad right not. I am using 50% chunky perlite with the coco and I think I broke some roots off. That is the challenge with the aero cloner. Moving them to the pots is a very delicate proccess.
LMAO... :D Actually that was Socachi's opinion not mine brah... IMHO, I'd concur with HT that it's a Ca and Mg def... The blurry leaf in the lower canopy (in the bottom left of the first pict) is showing an extreme case with interveinal chlorosis starting at the leaf margins and working its way to the base of the petiole. You can also see a slight interveinal chlorisis beginning on the leaf with the burnt tips. :thinking
 
Man idk how i missed this one, i reconize your pics from the infarmary.
When you putting them bitches into flower ? the chem and casey love to stretch.
Hows the sick plant coming along? Is it the one that 12 days of begging lol....
No training, 12 days of beg
Im just fucking with ya looks like you got everything under control and with shady in here you should be blowin shit up....

I like your mini trellis, can wait to see some 12/12 action

P.s on the cloning: i thinks its all in your temps and humidity...with a dome and a heatpad i could lick the stem and get roots lol
 
LMAO... :D Actually that was Socachi's opinion not mine brah... IMHO, I'd concur with HT that it's a Ca and Mg def... The blurry leaf in the lower canopy (in the bottom left of the first pict) is showing an extreme case with interveinal chlorosis starting at the leaf margins and working its way to the base of the petiole. You can also see a slight interveinal chlorisis beginning on the leaf with the burnt tips. :thinking

LOL, my bad. I should not post when I am so blazed.
 
they are some perfect looking roots you have there High Tolerance..
 
Hey Fellows. Thank you so much everyone for dropping by and giving me your thoughts.

The plants are doing great, just been extremely busy to keep up with the log. Taking out time for gardening has been really hard as well, but as soon as I have some free time I will shoot some updates.

A lot of changes have been made, next round mostly likely will end up with mostly CJ.
 
Ht what's shaken gro. I understand busy I've been trimming for the past 2 days. Look forward to seeing some new pics from you soon.
 
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