Is it ready to harvest

[Phyto]

Are you talking to me phyto im coco buffered and always 5.8

No, I'm talking to Josh. @Chazza69 it would be easier if you'd start your own post instead of piggybacking onto this one, it get's very confusing for everyone when there's two people asking questions about two totally different kind of grows. In soil grows you can use synthetic or organic nutrients (with differing tecniques for ph'ing), with coco you pretty much need to use synthetic nutes, ph the input nutes, water daily, check E/C in and out.

 

[Phyto]

I dont think josh is very happy why is so rude to you guys i didnt read anything offensive said to him. Strange fruit.
While im here any idea why my photos leaves are arcing but my autos are reaching up also can anyone tell me how to properly water my plants do i do a run off in to saucer every day or go by checking down an inch from top soil? I spoke to a chap yesterday and forgot to ask about this but im getting some fading on leaves and brown spots on lower leaves he thinks ive added too much nutrients so im told to let the coir dry out abit then flush with pure water then when it needs fed drop my nutes down as i was giving 2ml of a and b a litre. I just got calmag today so im holding off till i flush them, im using 10 litre plastic pots i use a 4 litre watering jug so i was adding 8ml of each nute but im told to drop to 6ml of each for my 4litre and also to use 4ml calmag first mix leave for 20 min then add nutes and then leave for 2 hrs then feed plants. This comes from the owner of one stop grow shop in the uk. Do we all agree ? Photos in terracotta pots and photos in black ones. Cheers for any help. Is skunksta still about as i tried finding him in search but cant see him. Take care troops jeffcView attachment 2591321View attachment 2591322

First off, DO NOT let coco dry out, it becomes hydrophobic and is extremely difficult to re-wet. Coco needs to be fed/watered daily to runoff, and do not allow the pots to sit in runoff water, you need to raise those pots up out of the saucer, so they can completely drain, otherwise you get root rot problems. You can use a couple blocks of wood to raise the pots. You need an E/C pen so you can check the input nutes, as well as the runoff (occassionally). If you flush, use three time the volume of the container with regular water, then feed again immediately. The brown spots could be a calmag deficiency or it could be a lockout or too high of an E/C (nute burn). I do notice that the plants are very light in color, so something may be blocking the uptake of nitrogen. The E/C pen will make diagnosing it easier. The nutes should have a dosing chart for each stage of the plants growth (seedling, veg, bloom).

 

[Chazza69]

First off, DO NOT let coco dry out, it becomes hydrophobic and is extremely difficult to re-wet. Coco needs to be fed/watered daily to runoff, and do not allow the pots to sit in runoff water, you need to raise those pots up out of the saucer, so they can completely drain, otherwise you get root rot problems. You can use a couple blocks of wood to raise the pots. You need an E/C pen so you can check the input nutes, as well as the runoff (occassionally). If you flush, use three time the volume of the container with regular water, then feed again immediately. The brown spots could be a calmag deficiency or it could be a lockout or too high of an E/C (nute burn). I do notice that the plants are very light in color, so something may be blocking the uptake of nitrogen. The E/C pen will make diagnosing it easier. The nutes should have a dosing chart for each stage of the plants growth (seedling, veg, bloom).

Yeah i use the canna grow guide but ive been told that autos require less nutes compared to the photos so will try that too also got calmag 2day. Im scared if i do flush them then they become waterlogged

 

[Phyto]

Yeah i use the canna grow guide but ive been told that autos require less nutes compared to the photos so will try that too also got calmag 2day. Im scared if i do flush them then they become waterlogged

If it's coco it should drain just fine, did you add any perlite? Some say autos take less nutes, but to me that's counterintuitive, since, particulalry in veg mode, they grow very quickly. Do an E/C test on the runoff, that'll tell you if you need to flush. If the E/C is significantly higher coming out in the runoff, than the input E/C you're getting a build-up of salts in the coco and they need to be flushed. Optimally, the E/C coming out shouldbe slightly lower than the input, which indicates the plants are absorbing the nutirients, and they're not building up in the coco.

 

[Chazza69]

If it's coco it should drain just fine, did you add any perlite? Some say autos take less nutes, but to me that's counterintuitive, since, particulalry in veg mode, they grow very quickly. Do an E/C test on the runoff, that'll tell you if you need to flush. If the E/C is significantly higher coming out in the runoff, than the input E/C you're getting a build-up of salts in the coco and they need to be flushed. Optimally, the E/C coming out shouldbe slightly lower than the input, which indicates the plants are absorbing the nutirients, and they're not building up in the coco.

Is the ec tester not the same as the ph meter tester i bought mate

 

[Chazza69]

First off, DO NOT let coco dry out, it becomes hydrophobic and is extremely difficult to re-wet. Coco needs to be fed/watered daily to runoff, and do not allow the pots to sit in runoff water, you need to raise those pots up out of the saucer, so they can completely drain, otherwise you get root rot problems. You can use a couple blocks of wood to raise the pots. You need an E/C pen so you can check the input nutes, as well as the runoff (occassionally). If you flush, use three time the volume of the container with regular water, then feed again immediately. The brown spots could be a calmag deficiency or it could be a lockout or too high of an E/C (nute burn). I do notice that the plants are very light in color, so something may be blocking the uptake of nitrogen. The E/C pen will make diagnosing it easier. The nutes should have a dosing chart for each stage of the plants growth (seedling, veg, bloom).

Ive 10 litre pots are u saying ive to run 30 litres of 5.8 water through each plant bud

 

[ChairmanFester]

I know coco grows are that much faster and blah blah but umm.. seems like a lot to deal with. Poor guy's gotta run a bathtub through his roots.

 

[Chazza69]

I know coco grows are that much faster and blah blah but umm.. seems like a lot to deal with. Poor guy's gotta run a bathtub through his roots.

That was my first.thought just to use a running tap its 6.7 ph can i do that. I have deionized water would that work ive 8 litres. Just doesnt sound right but hey im new. I was told to flush them with 1.5 litres by owner of one stop grow shop uk. The guy seemed to know everything from temts to soils or coir and nutes and calmag and growing time. Is phyto winding me up

 

[Phyto]

Is the ec tester not the same as the ph meter tester i bought mate

No, one measures ph, the other measures the electro conductivity of the water, alternatively you can use a PPM (parts per million) meter instead of E/C meter.

 

[Chazza69]

No, one measures ph, the other measures the electro conductivity of the water, alternatively you can use a PPM (parts per million) meter instead of E/C meter.

Thank you are u serious about running 30 litres of water throigh each pot it sounds mad mate

 

[Phyto]

Ive 10 litre pots are u saying ive to run 30 litres of 5.8 water through each plant bud

You don’t need to ph the water you’re using to flush, because you’re going to feed immediately afterwards at the proper ph. Alternately you can just flush water through it until the e/c, ppm’s drop significantly. You won’t know if you need to flush until you measure the runoff!

 

[Phyto]

Thank you are u serious about running 30 litres of water throigh each pot it sounds mad mate

Coco may not take as much water to flush, but for soil, in 5 gallon contains, I run 15 gallons through each pot. Thats one of the reasons I stopped doing synthetic grows in soil.

 

[Phyto]

I know coco grows are that much faster and blah blah but umm.. seems like a lot to deal with. Poor guy's gotta run a bathtub through his roots.

Yeah, I would never suggest starting with coco, it’s better to get a few soil grows under your belt, get the basics down, then branch out. When I used to flush synthetic soil grows I had to use a hand truck, take the plants out of the tent/garage and do the flush outdoors ( no drain in the garage), then pack it all back in the tent.

 

[Chazza69]

Yeah, I would never suggest starting with coco, it’s better to get a few soil grows under your belt, get the basics down, then branch out. When I used to flush synthetic soil grows I had to use a hand truck, take the plants out of the tent/garage and do the flush outdoors ( no drain in the garage), then pack it all back in the tent.

I thought coir was the best for growing as no bugs. I think i just give up after spemding so much. Im told its a weed but this is like chemistry,physics and biology jesus man. So u said buy an ec meter then put water through pot then test water in the pots saucers. What reading would i be looking for mate to see if nutes is not the prob or something else i havemt had to use the ph down i bought as after i added 8ml of a and b it brought my ph down to 5.8. Could too much water cause brown spots on leaves and the paleing. Just realised what the guy in the shop has to be right too much nutes as the photos are fine with it a couple have arcing or slightly drooping leaves but colours good its only the autos that are doing this but their leaves are growing upwards i try the calmag and drop back to 1.5ml a litre of a and b. Ive fractured my spine and got a double groin injury and my tents in my bedroom and i stay in a flat. Whats ur thoughts on these co2 bags could that be it with humidity at 50 % the temps fine now 28 degrees in my money bruv. Im not josh im scottish from glasgow so i wont take offence if you give me a hartime but i appreciate your advice i will get a ec meter now and test one after flushing with water. Dont fall out with me my man

 

[Chazza69]

If it's coco it should drain just fine, did you add any perlite? Some say autos take less nutes, but to me that's counterintuitive, since, particulalry in veg mode, they grow very quickly. Do an E/C test on the runoff, that'll tell you if you need to flush. If the E/C is significantly higher coming out in the runoff, than the input E/C you're getting a build-up of salts in the coco and they need to be flushed. Optimally, the E/C coming out shouldbe slightly lower than the input, which indicates the plants are absorbing the nutirients, and they're not building up in the coco.

Not this time its 100% coco buffered. If i do again i will be using 80/20 that ok

 

[Chazza69]

Yeah, I would never suggest starting with coco, it’s better to get a few soil grows under your belt, get the basics down, then branch out. When I used to flush synthetic soil grows I had to use a hand truck, take the plants out of the tent/garage and do the flush outdoors ( no drain in the garage), then pack it all back in the tent.

Is this ok for the ec test buddy

 

[Phyto]

Is this ok for the ec test buddyView attachment 2591425

That will work.

 

[Chazza69]

That will work.

So i just put in saucer after watering what ec am i looking for mate

 

[Phyto]

I thought coir was the best for growing as no bugs. I think i just give up after spemding so much. Im told it’s a weed but this is like chemistry,physics and biology jesus man. So u said buy an ec meter then put water through pot then test water in the pots saucers. What reading would i be looking for mate to see if nutes is not the prob or something else i havemt had to use the ph down i bought as after i added 8ml of a and b it brought my ph down to 5.8. Could too much water cause brown spots on leaves and the paleing. Just realised what the guy in the shop has to be right too much nutes as the photos are fine with it a couple have arcing or slightly drooping leaves but colours good its only the autos that are doing this but their leaves are growing upwards i try the calmag and drop back to 1.5ml a litre of a and b. Ive fractured my spine and got a double groin injury and my tents in my bedroom and i stay in a flat. Whats ur thoughts on these co2 bags could that be it with humidity at 50 % the temps fine now 28 degrees in my money bruv. Im not josh im scottish from glasgow so i wont take offence if you give me a hartime but i appreciate your advice i will get a ec meter now and test one after flushing with water. Dont fall out with me my man

CO2 bags, let’s get you growing first. Thats a lot more advanced. First you have to have a well sealed tent, you have to be able to monitor how much CO2 you’re generating. Bag the idea of bags! In many cases they don’t do a thing. You should be feeding using the ec meter, There are tables for what ec your nute mixture should be for what stage your plants are in. Ballpark only, I don’t have the tables memorized, but an ec of about .6 to .8 for seedlings, 1.3 in veg, etc. For mixing the nutes first you need to test the water you’re using, lets say it has an ec of.2, that’s your baseline, so if you want your nutrients at ,8 ec, you mix until you get to 1.0. When testing the runoff get the sample as it comes out of the pot. If you adding nutes at an ec of 1.0, but the runoff is 2.0, then you need to flush. If you’re adding at 1.0 and runoff is .8, that means your pkants are actively absorbing nutrient. What you don’t want is the runoff to be a lot higher than input. You’ll have to do some reading on the proper levels of ec for the different stages of growth.

 

[Chazza69]

CO2 bags, let’s get you growing first. Thats a lot more advanced. First you have to have a well sealed tent, you have to be able to monitor how much CO2 you’re generating. Bag the idea of bags! In many cases they don’t do a thing. You should be feeding using the ec meter, There are tables for what ec your nute mixture should be for what stage your plants are in. Ballpark only, I don’t have the tables memorized, but an ec of about .6 to .8 for seedlings, 1.3 in veg, etc. For mixing the nutes first you need to test the water you’re using, lets say it has an ec of.2, that’s your baseline, so if you want your nutrients at ,8 ec, you mix until you get to 1.0. When testing the runoff get the sample as it comes out of the pot. If you adding nutes at an ec of 1.0, but the runoff is 2.0, then you need to flush. If you’re adding at 1.0 and runoff is .8, that means your pkants are actively absorbing nutrient. What you don’t want is the runoff to be a lot higher than input. You’ll have to do some reading on the proper levels of ec for the different stages of growth.

So i want 0.8 reading in run off yeah so why do i do ph testing after nutes are added to water and thats 5.8. So ive to check water with feed and calmag with ec tester first too. Sorry im bugging you im trying hard to understand sir