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[Grownsince95]

 

[JIMKSI64]

My new standard response when I see coco and peat mixed and someone having issues

Theft is respect.

 

[Ninjadogma]

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I beginning to think I'm the only fool who plays with a coco+peat blend around here. Careful, once you figure it out, you might like it. As for me, I keep defaulting to drybacks and fucking it up.

 

[Ninjadogma]

My new standard response when I see coco and peat mixed and someone having issues
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Theft is respect.

 

[Grownsince95]

My new standard response when I see coco and peat mixed and someone having issues
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Theft is respect.

I knew this one would hit some of you in the feels

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

 

[grayoldnproud]

And here I thought you were much older than that.

 

[Vick_Vinegar]

I beginning to think I'm the only fool who plays with a coco+peat blend around here. Careful, once you figure it out, you might like it. As for me, I keep defaulting to drybacks and fucking it up.

Have mixed Coco and peat a ton. Peat is too acidic for my liking. Coco is more alkaline. I find I hold better pH in mixed peat/Coco mediums.

I don't know where anyone gets this idea that peat and Coco can't be mixed. People here also seem to think perlite and vermiculite can't be mixed, but I literally grew in straight perlite and vermiculite many times, and mix it 50/50 in most of my mixes.

I swear people just like to repeat crap half the time without any actual reasoning at the end of the day.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Three hours later....this, this little POS spring inside a POS switch, inside a POS Washing Machine is why it wasn't working...why?

Because stupid people can't tell their kids not to put their hands in a spinning drum to see how it feels and a stupid government can’t say they are stupid people for being stupid so they make the manufacturer put in stupid shit so stupid people don't have to teach their kids not to be stupid.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Have mixed Coco and peat a ton. Peat is too acidic for my liking. Coco is more alkaline. I find I hold better pH in mixed peat/Coco mediums.

I don't know where anyone gets this idea that peat and Coco can't be mixed. People here also seem to think perlite and vermiculite can't be mixed, but I literally grew in straight perlite and vermiculite many times, and mix it 50/50 in most of my mixes.

I swear people just like to repeat crap half the time without any actual reasoning at the end of the day.

Some people actually have read about 40 journals and have seen the results.
pH and o2 levels not consistent. I agree some folks are able to use this mixture.
I also found a trend in these journals and diaries. It seemed the closer to a 50-50 mix the worse it got. 80-20 and 20-80 seems to not matter as much.
As far as stuffing a bunch of perlite and vermiculite go right ahead. Very surprised you do not have cec issues which means prolly salt enviroment.
A lot of things that work for chemical nutrients will just not work in organic grows.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Three hours later....this, this little POS spring inside a POS switch, inside a POS Washing Machine is why it wasn't working...why?

Because stupid people can't tell their kids not to put their hands in a spinning drum to see how it feels and a stupid government can’t say they are stupid people for being stupid so they make the manufacturer put in stupid shit so stupid people don't have to teach their kids not to be stupid.
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Ya know when yer out on the lake is not the time to look for a shear pin
But super fail for not telling a guy with a tag somewhere.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Ya know when yer out on the lake is not the time to look for a shear pin
But super fail for not telling a guy with a tag somewhere.

Has anyone ever told you that some of the shit you say only makes sense to you. WTF I am laughing my ass off here but still so very very confused. Amused but confused. So yes, always tell a guy with a tag or else you'll need a new shear pin to fix your dishwasher

 

[JIMKSI64]

Has anyone ever told you that some of the shit you say only makes sense to you. WTF I am laughing my ass off here but still so very very confused. Amused but confused. So yes, always tell a guy with a tag or else you'll need a new shear pin to fix your dishwasher

 

[Vick_Vinegar]

Some people actually have read about 40 journals and have seen the results.
pH and o2 levels not consistent. I agree some folks are able to use this mixture.
I also found a trend in these journals and diaries. It seemed the closer to a 50-50 mix the worse it got. 80-20 and 20-80 seems to not matter as much.
As far as stuffing a bunch of perlite and vermiculite go right ahead. Very surprised you do not have cec issues which means prolly salt enviroment.
A lot of things that work for chemical nutrients will just not work in organic grows.

I'm an organic grower. Been on a water only soils for years. Seem to be doing just fine. Ran perlite and vermiculite 50/50 with Canna bio and compost teas for quite a while with no issues, but I've moved to basic peat/Coco, perlite, vermiculite, zeolite and compost mixes now which are water only bar root roids.

Just never seen these issues so I must be Superman. Hell my last mix had perlite, vermiculite, zeolite and scoria as aggregate. I suppose I can't do that either based on "literature".

 

[JIMKSI64]

I'm an organic grower. Been on a water only soils for years. Seem to be doing just fine. Ran perlite and vermiculite 50/50 with Canna bio and compost teas for quite a while with no issues, but I've moved to basic peat/Coco and compost mixes now which are water only.

Then I have a request. I know it's totally putting you on the spot but I would love to be able to help guys with these mixes and the internets is full of tears. We see 3 to 5 a month and most of them move on due to a lack of good information here on the farm.
Is there any way you could document watering practices and any tips on pH control and perhaps a recipe for coco-peat mixes? Would love to refer to a post on success using these mixes.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

 

[grayoldnproud]

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Ever thought about laying off the coffee there buddy

 

[Vick_Vinegar]

Then I have a request. I know it's totally putting you on the spot but I would love to be able to help guys with these mixes and the internets is full of tears. We see 3 to 5 a month and most of them move on due to a lack of good information here on the farm.
Is there any way you could document watering practices and any tips on pH control and perhaps a recipe for coco-peat mixes? Would love to refer to a post on success using these mixes.

For sure. I water from the top twice a week and then top up from the bottom inbetween every day. Don't pH me water. Sits around pH 8.5 EC 0.6 from the tap.

The mix is 1:1:2 peat, Coco and compost. Then I'll add 10% perlite, 10% vermiculite by volume and an arbitrary amount of zeolite to the mix.

The amendments are dr Greenthumbs 4-4-4 for the cook and top dress at flip and 4 weeks flower (meals and rock dust), biochar, palagonite, azomite, gypsum and castings, then I add root roids and fruit roids to the water weekly. Also use mykos and bacillus granules at transplant.

But apart from that I don't really check pH. Watering is basically top only if I have root and fruit roids in it, and bottom inbetween for straight water. So not exactly water only.

I'll throw in some info on my mix and watering in me Satty thread..

Sorry about the blunt language in me first post, I just get super pissy when people throw black and white "can or can't" mentality with growing. Like apparently you can't do any of the things I do yet I do...I water from the get go every day regardless which is apparently impossible, I blast the same DLI (35-40) from day one and apparently you can't do those either. Just odd to see as I'm on a few forums and have never heard any of these hard and fast rules about peat, Coco and aggregate before so I just get confused as to where it came from.

I just see so many black and white statements on growing sites, especially with what you just can't do apparently, but I'm always doing those exact things with no issues so I get cynical.

I think I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to being told you just can't do something....well fuckin watch me lol..

 

[JIMKSI64]

For sure. I water from the top twice a week and then top up from the bottom inbetween every day. Don't pH me water. Sits around pH 8.5 EC 0.6 from the tap.

The mix is 1:1:2 peat, Coco and compost. Then I'll add 10% perlite, 10% vermiculite by volume and an arbitrary amount of zeolite to the mix.

The amendments are dr Greenthumbs 4-4-4 for the cook and top dress at flip and 4 weeks flower (meals and rock dust), biochar, palagonite, azomite, gypsum and castings, then I add root roids and fruit roids to the water weekly. Also use mykos and bacillus granules at transplant.

But apart from that I don't really check pH. Watering is basically top only if I have root and fruit roids in it, and bottom inbetween for straight water. So not exactly water only.

I'll throw in some info on my mix and watering in me Satty thread..

Sorry about the blunt language in me first post, I just get super pissy when people throw black and white "can or can't" mentality with growing. Like apparently you can't do any of the things I do yet I do...I water from the get go every day regardless which is apparently impossible, I blast the same DLI (35-40) from day one and apparently you can't do those either. Just odd to see as I'm on a few forums and have never heard any of these hard and fast rules about peat, Coco and aggregate before so I just get confused as to where it came from.

I just see so many black and white statements on growing sites, especially with what you just can't do apparently, but I'm always doing those exact things with no issues so I get cynical.

Your prep is fantastic and looks to be from years of experience.
The problems we get is a 50-50 mix of peat based soils and coco. Then top watering and nutrition. This prolly covers 75% of the failed diaries or those closed and not finished.
Do you think the bottom and top watering technique would work on a soil/coco situation or do you think substantial amendments will always be needed?

 

[Vick_Vinegar]

I get the same annoyance when people talk about overwatering. Hell I run my pots off before the seed even goes in, then keep it in a tray of water, and on top of that water daily. Never had overwatering symptoms in 10-12 years.

A properly aerated medium cant hold more water than it physically can. Even saturated, a happily aggregated medium should hold well over 25% air so I've never understood the premise of overwatering unless your medium isn't aerated properly.

Sometimes I swear I'm in an alternate universe as I water seedlings daily, let them sit in water and run flowering DLI from day one which are apparently two big impossibilities. I only ever get issues if I get any form of drybacks as they spike EC, drop pH and reduce microbe population in the mix I run.

Sometimes I'll water my babies twice a day or more of I'm bored just to annoy people who constantly talk about overwatering lol.