Is it hard to clone autos?

[dman049162]

Is it hard to clone and root autoflowers? Thinking about in time cloning the plants i have that just switched over to vegetative stage instead of popping more seeds. The idea behind cloning is fascinating to me and would like to try my hand at it down the road

 

[imgrowing]

while you can clone an auto the clone will be the same age as the mother, and will flower at the same rate.
waste of time

 

[MercDod]

Once an auto flower starts the timer starts and flowering for it will be the same as the mother so it wont have time to root, grow and be a productive.
In other words if the mother has 60 days left, the clone would have 60 days left.
That is my understanding anyway.

 

[dman049162]

Once an auto flower starts the timer starts and flowering for it will be the same as the mother so it wont have time to root, grow and be a productive.
In other words if the mother has 60 days left, the clone would have 60 days left.
That is my understanding anyway.

So in a nutshell its better to do cloning on photos instead of autos.

 

[Ninjadogma]

So in a nutshell its better to do cloning on photos instead of autos.

If you want to experiment with cloning autos, you can make some strategic changes to DELAY the internal countdown clock of an auto, but you can't stop it. It's the same trick that screws with flowering photos... Give them 24 hours of light, a heavy (not toxic) dose of nitrogen, and keep the light cranked up to what the plant can handle. it can help them throw some growth before they're fully committed. Haven't done it with autos but I've done monstering and it's the same countdown clock as an auto until you reveg them but at least it's reversible.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Once an auto flower starts the timer starts and flowering for it will be the same as the mother

Although I agree with some of what you are saying I can't with the above and I did show where it is more versatile of a plant than that.
https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/my-mid-summer-autos-try.171430/page-6
and I started a third grow but fucked her up.

The adventures of Shelley Frankenauto

The adventures of Shelley. She is an Amnesia Haze Auto that was germinated on Sept 5th harvested Nov 7th kept alive and harvested a second time Ten days ago. You can see her other grows here. https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/my-mid-summer-autos-try.171430/page-7 Then it seemed she quit on me as...

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[MercDod]

Although I agree with some of what you are saying I can't with the above and I did show where it is more versatile of a plant than that.
https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/my-mid-summer-autos-try.171430/page-6
and I started a third grow but fucked her up.

The adventures of Shelley Frankenauto

The adventures of Shelley. She is an Amnesia Haze Auto that was germinated on Sept 5th harvested Nov 7th kept alive and harvested a second time Ten days ago. You can see her other grows here. https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/my-mid-summer-autos-try.171430/page-7 Then it seemed she quit on me as...

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Thats interesting and unusual. I had always heard that it was counter productive. So in response to the original poster do you think he should or should not?
Also, do you have any other data as I have 4 autos in flower now in desparate need of lollipoping/defoliating and now might be a good time to attemp.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Thats interesting and unusual. I had always heard that it was counter productive. So in response to the original poster do you think he should or should not?
Also, do you have any other data as I have 4 autos in flower now in desparate need of lollipoping/defoliating and now might be a good time to attemp.

I think he should. What's the worst that can happen, it fails and the cutting dies?

What data? Cut it, root it and find out. My comment was addressing that Shelley proved that this supposed constraint of our concept of age isn't exactly what the plant calculates when deciding it's immediate level of maturity. And it's not tethered to the mother plant or else these new growth shoots that she grew would have immediately went into flower and not reveg'd.

I haven't explicitly cloned which is why I said I agree with some of what you said and the time needed to simulate new root growth may impact the results that I saw with an established plant with established roots growing new shoots.

Again, what's the worst than can happen? But think of the knowledge gained! Do it. I'll watch for sure to see how it comes out in the wash.

 

[dman049162]

I think he should. What's the worst that can happen, it fails and the cutting dies?

What data? Cut it, root it and find out. My comment was addressing that Shelley proved that this supposed constraint of our concept of age isn't exactly what the plant calculates when deciding it's immediate level of maturity. And it's not tethered to the mother plant or else these new growth shoots that she grew would have immediately went into flower and not reveg'd.

I haven't explicitly cloned which is why I said I agree with some of what you said and the time needed to simulate new root growth may impact the results that I saw with an established plant with established roots growing new shoots.

Again, what's the worst than can happen? But think of the knowledge gained! Do it. I'll watch for sure to see how it comes out in the wash.

My next concern is the appropriate time frame of when to cut to attempt. May or maybe not be this grow but id definitely like to try my hand at it. I read somewhere that you should cut when a branch is about 7 inches.

 

[MercDod]

I think he should. What's the worst that can happen, it fails and the cutting dies?

What data? Cut it, root it and find out. My comment was addressing that Shelley proved that this supposed constraint of our concept of age isn't exactly what the plant calculates when deciding it's immediate level of maturity. And it's not tethered to the mother plant or else these new growth shoots that she grew would have immediately went into flower and not reveg'd.

I haven't explicitly cloned which is why I said I agree with some of what you said and the time needed to simulate new root growth may impact the results that I saw with an established plant with established roots growing new shoots.

Again, what's the worst than can happen? But think of the knowledge gained! Do it. I'll watch for sure to see how it comes out in the wash.

No I dont want to try it without more promising data. I just dont have the time. I can legally only grow 4 plants at a time. I will however do more research and see what the majority consensus is.

 

[Ninjadogma]

No I dont want to try it without more promising data. I just dont have the time. I can legally only grow 4 plants at a time. I will however do more research and see what the majority consensus is.

 

[grayoldnproud]

I will however do more research and see what the majority consensus is.

Research or forum posts? Research is very scant if not nil. Forum posts, it's hit and miss and take the AI and throw it away because it's just regurgitation of what it finds coalesced into a bright quip of rubbish.

I wish there was more research on the matter but alas, not to be.

So point is, you'll likely have to do your own research to see. But since you're limited in plants, which I am too and it's zero, then you have to choose what's most important and I understand.

If you ever do the dirty deed...tag me, I'll follow along for the ride.

 

[cannafarmer420]

Is it hard to clone and root autoflowers? Thinking about in time cloning the plants i have that just switched over to vegetative stage instead of popping more seeds. The idea behind cloning is fascinating to me and would like to try my hand at it down the road

Its possible but pointless

 

[grayoldnproud]

My next concern is the appropriate time frame of when to cut to attempt. May or maybe not be this grow but id definitely like to try my hand at it. I read somewhere that you should cut when a branch is about 7 inches.

Grow four of five times of the same strain and see how it grows and behaves then decide on the best time, if at all. It could be some strains are better than others at cutting propagation.

Autos only have a temporal life because humans and or environment dictate that. Not because of plant physiology or biology. Ruderal only means that it's the first seen after disruption, not that it has a predetermined lifespan. It's natural environment dictates that it likely will die after flowering and maturing because of environment, ie. frozen...change that and you change the abiotic cues which also changes the molecular milieu and cascades that affect genetic transcription and signaling.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Its possible but pointless

Why? seriously, I am not trying to be a smartass.

 

[grayoldnproud]

Here's what I'll do. I have just started some XXL Cheese auto seeds from Landrace Bureau . Since they are regularly sexed, ie both sex chromosomes, I'll take cuttings of each and then I'll only keep fem cutting to see how well they do and changes seen vs. seed germinated auto of the same host (mother).

Keep in mind I am a complete novice at cloning cannabis (tomato no sweat) so what happens...happens.

And since this thread seems an appropriate title for the task I'll just update here....with all particulars. Once it comes time for nut cutting, so to speak.

 

[cannafarmer420]

Why? seriously, I am not trying to be a smartass.

Because the clone unlike a clone from a photoperiod, will be the age of the plant you cloned except tiny, it will flower at the same time regardless of development, so there really is no point. A normal clone you can leave in veg as long as you want, its practical

 

[grayoldnproud]

Because the clone unlike a clone from a photoperiod, will be the age of the plant you cloned except tiny, it will flower at the same time regardless of development, so there really is no point. A normal clone you can leave in veg as long as you want, its practical

I appreciate the reply, and your opinion is valued and could be correct, but as I have already addressed, what I saw in my growth of Shelly (an Auto) that was harvested twice and vegged again for a third, that the new shoots grown were not automatically flowering even though her calendar age would have predicted, as you insist, such. Whereas instead grew through two vegetative stages into a two flowering stages and harvested twice. Could the rooting process impact that? Maybe.

Now there are proven instances of it being successful, in terms of feasibility, and the autoflower network has several instances of successful autoflower cloning. Here is one.

So as stated, I'll be the huckleberry here. We'll see what happens. But again, and again seriously, I really appreciate your reply.

 

[MercDod]

I am still in the “no clone group” but, lets say you were going to lollipop anyway and you had the additional room. Do you think rooting the lollipopped stems would produce enough of a yield (after rooting and recovering) to be worthwhile of the additional effort?

I think not but curious what you all might think. Never hurts to be curious unless you’re a cat.

 

[grayoldnproud]

I am still in the “no clone group” but, lets say you were going to lollipop anyway and you had the additional room. Do you think rooting the lollipopped stems would produce enough of a yield (after rooting and recovering) to be worthwhile of the additional effort?

I think not but curious what you all might think. Never hurts to be curious unless you’re a cat.

I guess that depends on definition of effort? And that’s open to individual interpretation and to me there is no additional effort versus a seed germination grow. Both require special attention. Cost benefit analysis may show some change in seed vs. clone but that depends on yield which is highly dependent on growing variables, even within same strain. So whether there is an advantage of one over the other would largely just depend. In my opinion.