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[Ninjadogma]

I mix my own. I use kelp, guano, wood ash, Biogrow and some regular organic npk.
I mix them to get 4 different.
3-1-2 veg
2-1-2 early bloom
1-1-2 mid bloom
0-1-2 late bloom

The whole part. Thats why i want to read about it and then ask what i don't understand

Buddy I just sat down on the couch one day and said hey Siri, tell me what I need to know about EC as it applies to growing my cannabis, and dumb it down to a 5th grade level for me.

You can do your mixing of recommended ml if you're following a system but this is where your EC pen comes in handy if you're using tap because you have that unknown variable, not to mention we aren't always precise with our measuring of stuff. So besides mixing in proper order to avoid bad reactions, you just want to check how "hot" it is. If the ppm/EC value is too high, you can just dilute it with more water. Your ratio remains intact, it just becomes a weaker feed of it.

If I can offer up one thing to help make that light go on, is when you're measuring with one of those pens you're measuring the electrical conductivity of the water. It's not detecting ppm. If you have a ppm pen it's converting for you. The EC is important because mineral salts conduct electricity in water and they are what the plant eats. So they are good but they are also bad, because by nature salts are corrosive and in concentrated levels will be too corrosive for the plant to uptake it. So the plant hits the brakes on uptake. Then we start seeing the crazy mid plant shit.

This is also, at the very heart of it, exactly why you want your EC to be within a set range. Because they NEED it, but too much of it will kill them.

 

[Grownsince95]

I mix my own. I use kelp, guano, wood ash, Biogrow and some regular organic npk.
I mix them to get 4 different.
3-1-2 veg
2-1-2 early bloom
1-1-2 mid bloom
0-1-2 late bloom

The whole part. Thats why i want to read about it and then ask what i don't understand

The organic stuff (kelp etc) in your mix will not show up on your EC meter until it is broken down in the soil. You will need to check the runoff levels to get an accurate idea of what's going on in the root zone.

The meter is only measuring the amount of dissolved ions in the water, basically just letting you know how salty it is.

 

[Ninjadogma]

The organic stuff (kelp etc) in your mix will not show up on your EC meter until it is broken down in the soil. You will need to check the runoff levels to get an accurate idea of what's going on in the root zone.

The meter is only measuring the amount of dissolved ions in the water, basically just letting you know how salty it is.

I gotta say the biggest mind fuck for me is pulling an astronomical number when the scratch-in finally kicks in and not panicking trying to flush it all right back out. And not leaving it astronomical either because, well... I have a small collection of "photos taken moments before their tragic death"

 

[Grownsince95]

Buddy I just sat down on the couch one day and said hey Siri, tell me what I need to know about EC as it applies to growing my cannabis, and dumb it down to a 5th grade level for me.

You can do your mixing of recommended ml if you're following a system but this is where your EC pen comes in handy if you're using tap because you have that unknown variable, not to mention we aren't always precise with our measuring of stuff. So besides mixing in proper order to avoid bad reactions, you just want to check how "hot" it is. If the ppm/EC value is too high, you can just dilute it with more water. Your ratio remains intact, it just becomes a weaker feed of it.

If I can offer up one thing to help make that light go on, is when you're measuring with one of those pens you're measuring the electrical conductivity of the water. It's not detecting ppm. If you have a ppm pen it's converting for you. The EC is important because mineral salts conduct electricity in water and they are what the plant eats. So they are good but they are also bad, because by nature salts are corrosive and in concentrated levels will be too corrosive for the plant to uptake it. So the plant hits the brakes on uptake. Then we start seeing the crazy mid plant shit.

This is also, at the very heart of it, exactly why you want your EC to be within a set range. Because they NEED it, but too much of it will kill them.

If you want to keep the nutrient ratios intact you have to dilute with pure water. Using the same hard tap water will lower the EC but is still introducing new Ca and Mg etc.

I'm growing with 300+ ppm/ .6 EC tap water and having zeros issues but I'm dtw hydro in coco so I can tweak shit on the fly and I've been using the same nutes for 30 years.

 

[Grownsince95]

I gotta say the biggest mind fuck for me is pulling an astronomical number when the scratch-in finally kicks in and not panicking trying to flush it all right back out. And not leaving it astronomical either because, well... I have a small collection of "photos taken moments before their tragic death"

How about this mindfuck. Fill a bathtub with RO water. Grab a toaster, plug it in, turn it on and jump in the tub with it. You'll be fine. The RO water will not conduct electricity.

Just don't pee while you're in there

Edited to add: even if you stood outside the tub and peed into it, you'd get the shock of your life right where it counts!

 

[Ninjadogma]

If you want to keep the nutrient ratios intact you have to dilute with pure water. Using the same hard tap water will lower the EC but is still introducing new Ca and Mg etc.

I'm growing with 300+ ppm/ .6 EC tap water and having zeros issues but I'm dtw hydro in coco so I can tweak shit on the fly and I've been using the same nutes for 30 years.

You're right I was ignoring their contribution when I said that... And yeah it's throwing more ppm in and that will for sure change the ratio. If it's a 0.4 bump it doesn't change much to make a difference but it does change.

 

[Ninjadogma]

How about this mindfuck. Fill a bathtub with RO water. Grab a toaster, plug it in, turn it on and jump in the tub with it. You'll be fine. The RO water will not conduct electricity.

Just don't pee while you're in there

Edited to add: even if you stood outside the tub and peed into it, you'd get the shock of your life right where it counts!

You really had to go there.

 

[trygrowup]

The organic stuff (kelp etc) in your mix will not show up on your EC meter until it is broken down in the soil.

That was actually also nice to know. Makes sense.
I can't really make enough runoff in my small pots to measure.
BUT i just read the runoff on my milkyway (almost ready) it said 1200 ppm and i find that od because i hardly gave it any nutes. Two times in 75 days i think.

 

[trygrowup]

You really had to go there.

Uhm white rabbit

 

[Florida_Mike]

How about this mindfuck. Fill a bathtub with RO water. Grab a toaster, plug it in, turn it on and jump in the tub with it. You'll be fine. The RO water will not conduct electricity.

Just don't pee while you're in there

Edited to add: even if you stood outside the tub and peed into it, you'd get the shock of your life right where it counts!

I was going to use that example; you beat me to it

Another example is welding. In salt water on steel hulled boats and barges, you can weld from boat A with grounded welder, to boat B by only pulling the hot lead over. In fresh water the two vessels must be grounded together with a cable

 

[expat]

Such an underrated album

 

[Grownsince95]

That was actually also nice to know. Makes sense.
I can't really make enough runoff in my small pots to measure.
BUT i just read the runoff on my milkyway (almost ready) it said 1200 ppm and i find that od because i hardly gave it any nutes. Two times in 75 days i think.

All the accumulated salt from your water raises it.

Assuming you're drying back between waterings. 400 ppm tap water takes careful consideration when growing in containers.

 

[expat]

Sorry for interrupting. PPM is parts per million right? A million of what?

 

[trygrowup]

All the accumulated salt from your water raises it.

Assuming you're drying back between waterings. 400 ppm tap water takes careful consideration when growing in containers.

I hope not because i use RO water with tapwater added to get 70'ish ppm

 

[trygrowup]

Sorry for interrupting. PPM is parts per million right? A million of what?

Good question

 

[expat]

I asked Alexa. She's a cunt as usual.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I asked Alexa. She's a cunt as usual.

A million of whatever.
In this has if you had 400 ppm you have a million water molecules with stuff in it and 400 of them are nutrients.

Now in brake fluid if you have a million molecules of brake fluid you should exchange it when the million molecules has 200 or more molecules of copper.
It a way to explain ratios of very small measurements..
Like 1/4 is 250,000 out of a million.

 

[Putthataway]

I asked Alexa. She's a cunt as usual.

No putang?

 

[JIMKSI64]

No putang?

Poontang.
Most misspelled word ever

 

[Florida_Mike]

64f and 48% rh in room
68 & 39 is mamma tent
93 frickin degrees out
71 next to bed

edit to add: Ha! look at all the frkn dust!