Wanted How long are your clones taking to root?

[Smokey0418]

It looks like you figured out where the rooting hormone is. But if a toy comes with batteries included, why take the batteries out just to replace them with different batteries you buy seperately?

Because Energizer keeps going and going.

 

[TerpBeans]

So does this guys self proclamation......and mouth (fingers)

 

[Jaden]

Because Energizer keeps going and going.

I get it, absolutely. I don't use any rooting hormone myself, not even willow tea. My success rate is great. Until I get to one of those plants that just doesn't clone easy. Other cuttings from different plants taken the same day, same tools, same technique, same enviornment right next to it root well, but it doesn't. Sometimes that just happens with some plants. There a rooting hormone, even willow tea may help if its an important project. With that plant, I take 4 cuttings if I need one. Where for other plants thats not necessary.

I would actually use the rooting hormone like clonex for other applications in the garden.

 

[Smokey0418]

Because Energizer keeps going and going.

But on a more serious note.

When I was young my 86 year old mother now grew African violets.
She would always stim root before sticking them into her vermiculite filled cups.
So I just do it.

Now I find out , using rooting hormone
1- speeds up root development
2-improves success rate
3- encourages healthier more robust roots.
And 4 - reduces chance of rot by speeding the process up.

I knew mom was right.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Anyone find it yet?

Or will that technique remain one of those cannabis myths/superstitions parroted by blind imitation and flawed reasoning?

As I previously stated, the strategy of cutting the leaves has nothing whatsoever to do with promoting root growth. It's a strategy for preventing leaf collapse while a cutting is going through the rooting process. And if you don't think that happens and you think this white paper knows better, then buddy you just havent spent enough time around marijuana to know any better but you'll get there eventually.

 

[Smokey0418]

I get it, absolutely. I don't use any rooting hormone myself, not even willow tea. My success rate is great. Until I get to one of those plants that just doesn't clone easy. Other cuttings from different plants taken the same day, same tools, same technique, same enviornment right next to it root well, but it doesn't. Sometimes that just happens with some plants. There a rooting hormone, even willow tea may help if its an important project. With that plant, I take 4 cuttings if I need one. Where for other plants thats not necessary.

I would actually use the rooting hormone like clonex for other applications in the garden.

Now if I ever try this cloning bucket I made.
It will be pool shock and water.
Calcium enriched dead zone for roots to thrive.

 

[Jaden]

But on a more serious note.

When I was young my 86 year old mother now grew African violets.
She would always stim root before sticking them into her vermiculite filled cups.
So I just do it.

Now I find out , using rooting hormone
1- speeds up root development
2-improves success rate
3- encourages healthier more robust roots.
And 4 - reduces chance of rot by speeding the process up.

I knew mom was right.

Rooting hormone does work. I'm just not one to run and buy every product, especially when I prove to myself I don't need it. So that money stays in my pocket... where it should be. I have pets too. Is your rooting hormone pet safe?

 

[Jaden]

As I previously stated, the strategy of cutting the leaves has nothing whatsoever to do with promoting root growth. It's a strategy for preventing leaf collapse while a cutting is going through the rooting process.

Do my leaves look collapsed in my photos bruh? No, It didn't happen. You know why?

The water/humidity trapped under that clear lid with the vents closed. When that moisture is all collected up on the walls of the lid... what do you think the relative humidity is in there? You think those leaves don't drink that water in there? You don't seem to grasp the basics of what leaves do or how.

Stop embarassing yourself and dig around for a valid credible source of information that trimming the leaf tips is better for cloning success rates and prove those overinflated egos of those well qualified idiots doing valid cannabis research and publishing in the scientific community that they don't know jack shit compared to you. If anyone is beyond learnin, its clearly you. You da man!

You keep repeating whats been debunked already. Good old try try again, but yeah... as I also previously stated and shown. No leaf collapse is to be seen on my clones. Perhaps the difference comes down to the difference in quality of the genetics you use and the genetics I use.

Thats another good point to consider! Perhaps genetic quality matters in clonal propagation... ya think?

Its making sense. That plant that doesn't clone well.... is a polyhybrid. The plant thats easy and fast to clone is a f1-hybrid, the cross of 2 stabilized IBLs. And most of my cloning experience is based on high quality genetics like IBLs, simple close to origin crosses, not the generic and weak and overworked commercial junk. Makes a lot of sense because in comparison grows of the same polyhybrids alwsys lag behind and underperform in comparison to the IBLs and simple crosses.

I see now why so many here are experiencing much lower success rates and their clones need so much work and crutches,... it comes down to the quality issue.

 

[Smokey0418]

You keep repeating whats been debunked already. Good old try try again, but yeah... as I also previously stated and shown. No leaf collapse is to be seen on my clones. Perhaps the difference comes down to the difference in quality of the genetics you use and the genetics I use.

Thats another good point to consider! Perhaps genetic quality matters in clonal propagation... ya think?

I don’t think so.

If it’s healthy shit genetics it will root the same as the fire I get from seed.

Weeds grow like hell.

 

[dreamnfox]

Good point, if you're going to be cutting the tips off your clone leaves you ought to at least know why other than because thats what someone said to do. I'm not going to spoil what you're digging for, but I will tell you I cut my clone tips and I do it because it's the lesser of two evils. (That's a clue) I certainly understand and respect a Canadian's point of view on this. (Another clue).

I trim some tips off my leaves because I have tons of them in a small space and I don't like leaves laying on top of one another. I have done both ways and I see no difference in % of rooted clones of speed of rooting. Plants want to live

 

[Jaden]

I don’t think so.

If it’s healthy shit genetics it will root the same as the fire I get from seed.

Weeds grow like hell.

Nice healthy dose of copium there bruh. Pure cope. Genetics matter, here as in with any other area of the botanical spectrum.

 

[Magnumsmydog]

And I'm telling you that you will shave several days off of your rooting time if you get them out from underneath that dome ilin 2-3 days. You're not really creating an optimum environment for fast rooting clones. You're offering up an environment that more perfectly preserves the cuts while it undergoes the rooting process. Both approaches will successfully produce clones... What are your cloning goals? Highest success? Fastest rooting? Preserving the most green? Depending on how you answer, you're going to approach cloning differently.

And even with the more stable environment under the dome, you're at greater risk of failure from high humidity rot pathogens, especially with no air circulating around underneath that dome.

With ninja on this they look great with high humidity up top wont wont try as hard to make roots to preserve itself my last batch wouldn't root at all until I dropped humidity down and boom off to the races , just what I've noticed and my 2 cents

 

[Ninjadogma]

You keep repeating whats been debunked already. Good old try try again, but yeah... as I also previously stated and shown. No leaf collapse is to be seen on my clones. Perhaps the difference comes down to the difference in quality of the genetics you use and the genetics I use.

Thats another good point to consider! Perhaps genetic quality matters in clonal propagation... ya think?

Its making sense. That plant that doesn't clone well.... is a polyhybrid. The plant thats easy and fast to clone is a f1-hybrid, the cross of 2 stabilized IBLs. And most of my cloning experience is based on high quality genetics like IBLs, simple close to origin crosses, not the generic and weak and overworked commercial junk. Makes a lot of sense because in comparison grows of the same polyhybrids alwsys lag behind and underperform in comparison to the IBLs and simple crosses.

I see now why so many here are experiencing much lower success rates and their clones need so much work and crutches,... it comes down to the quality issue.

Maybe if I say it differently it will finally click. If you have a perfect microclimate, cutting leaves buys you nothing except space to pack more clones together — and it slightly hurts rooting. The only reason it helps at home is because most people don’t have perfect VPD, so trimming gives them a little buffer against instability. This is why we are leaning into it.

At the very heart of it, rooting is initiated through pressure differential. There's very little differential taking place under a dome and probably why they set the clock to 14 days and not 7-10. So back to something else I said earlier what are your goals? Fast clones? Snip the leaves, bite the bullet that it stresses them for rooting because it's going to help you with your pressure differential and prevent collapse and you're gonna lose a cut or two and have a couple leaves go yellow and you can be in the ground in as little as a week. Or you can sit there with your dick in your hand for two weeks with your plant under a dome while you expose the plant to greater risk of rotting at the base. Maybe you should just join a growers association instead of hanging around a hobby site telling people how to do things they cant easily duplicate at home.

 

[Ninjadogma]

With ninja on this they look great with high humidity up top wont wont try as hard to make roots to preserve itself my last batch wouldn't root at all until I dropped humidity down and boom off to the races , just what I've noticed and my 2 cents

Some like it wet and some won't budge an inch until you pulse em. When I get one the first round is usually a fail and then I say aha, you're one of THOSE bitches

 

[Jaden]

With ninja on this they look great with high humidity up top wont wont try as hard to make roots to preserve itself my last batch wouldn't root at all until I dropped humidity down and boom off to the races , just what I've noticed and my 2 cents

You forgot to mention what type of genetics you are referring to. That is part of the basic info now to take into consideration. To need the use of crutches as added work techniques or not sort of points to the answer, but stating it clearly would be beneficial for transparency. Im assuming polyhybrid by default because thats what the market is flooded with, and betting on the generic is almost a sure shot. But not in all cases. There is always the 1% growing pure breds as the exception.

 

[Jaden]

Some like it wet and some won't budge an inch until you pulse em. When I get one the first round is usually a fail and then I say aha, you're one of THOSE bitches

As I was just mentioning, genetics matter here. When you are experiencing failures, adding expense of purchased products, putting in extra/added work on top of the very basic standard ...

(cut at stem, remove any lower leaf or side branch, no leaf tips trimmed, insert into moist media, close lid on the box, low light levels, add water when needed wait 14 days, no mildew, high success rate, healthy clones ready to transplant)

... we need to add the important detail of what type of genetics. We can assume with reasonable confidence that your extras and crutch techniques is whats needed with overworked commercial polyhybrids and is what your technique and knowledge base is hinged on. Genetically inferior/weak plants need that 'extra' input. Which is in contrast to the simplified and basic clonal propagation techniques on higher quality genetics which successfully perform without the additional inputs.

Right?

I've seen it with my own eyes on the polyhybrid I used. But the main difference is I have something other than the amalgamation genetics to compare it to, which perform much better and is easier and simpler.

Small details like that make a difference in peoples understanding. Its now become basic details for accurate understanding and consideration.

Example: On my commercially bred polyhybrids, I need to do these extra steps/use this purchased product to get them to root successfully and have a decent success rate and not get attacked by mildew within 14 days.

Be concise.

 

[NairnM16]

I use
Clone kind aero cloner
About 2gal of ro water
Days 1-7 I use Hormex at 3ml per gal and clone x liquid not gel at 20ml per gal

Days 7-14 drop the hormex and just use clone x are 40ml per L

Ph to 5.8

Room temps 75/80F
Room rh around 60%
0 dome on the cloner

100% clone success so far
Roots start forming around day 6-8
And transplant around day 10

 

[Magnumsmydog]

You forgot to mention what type of genetics you are referring to. That is part of the basic info now to take into consideration. To need the use of crutches as added work techniques or not sort of points to the answer, but stating it clearly would be beneficial for transparency. Im assuming polyhybrid by default because thats what the market is flooded with, and betting on the generic is almost a sure shot. But not in all cases. There is always the 1% growing pure breds as the exception.

I dont buy from the "market"

 

[Jaden]

I use
Clone kind aero cloner
About 2gal of ro water
Days 1-7 I use Hormex at 3ml per gal and clone x liquid not gel at 20ml per gal

Days 7-14 drop the hormex and just use clone x are 40ml per L

Ph to 5.8

Room temps 75/80F
Room rh around 60%
0 dome on the cloner

100% clone success so far
Roots start forming around day 6-8
And transplant around day 10

Great format! You just forgot to mention if you use the polyhybrid type or something else. This has become valuable relevant info.

 

[Tahoekushcat]

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