Wondering exactly what kind of deficiency is this clone suffering from? Or possibly something else?

[Harley.Freeman]

I will take any advice given. Thanks guys!

 

[Ninjadogma]

I will take any advice given. Thanks guys!


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My best bet is dirt shock. It stuck a toe in and said whoa buddy! That's what the warbly leaves are screaming at you anyway. It hasn't really transitioned into the dirt yet so it's at the most critical state and treat it like a clone just sitting in a cube. Not wet, not dry, more like just damp enough to get those root tips exploring for more. So it is a deficiency of sorts... A deficiency of roots. But the remedy for that is time and really gentle care, not anything you can pour in the soil (other than water). Let it finish the handshake and cross into the dirt. Watch the growth in your tops. You'll know when you're good.

 

[Harley.Freeman]

For sure, it was about 4 days ago that I I transplanted the two clones I have into 1.75 gallon planters and when I did that I gave them each 15 fluid oz of non treated just plain water, the pots feel pretty light at this point. Thankfully the other one is doing quite well. It sounds like she is just having trouble transitioning, but when I see a plant dropping like this I get worried, I am still sort of new to all of this and I know that dropping can be a sign of probably numerous things.

With the pots being light on weight for 1.75 gal pot, would you have any suggestions on how much to feed her water wise?

 

[Harley.Freeman]

This is this morning

 

[TerpBeans]

That clone is most likely a gone'r at this point
Once clones are rooted, its best to transplant into a smaller sized pot as its easier to maintain the substrate. This way half the pot is not dry and the other half soaking wet. It also helps with oxygen levels in the substrate.

 

[Harley.Freeman]

What size would you suggest in the future?

 

[TerpBeans]

I have had great results with the oversized, red solo cups. Lots of holes in the bottom for drainage and airflow. Quickest way to get more roots on the clones, they hit the bottom of the cup.....then transplant onto the 1.75 gallon pots

 

[Harley.Freeman]

For sure. They had a pretty developed ball of roots around the rockwool cube so I figured maybe they would manage okay. If you were to try and take the challenge of saving her what would you do? It sounds like in general she is on the edge of not making it but I would still like to exhaust all options.

 

[TerpBeans]

If it were my clone......dig it out of the big pot somewhat gentle like. Set it on a heat mat set to 78° and away from any strong light. Very minimal light. Water all around the outside edge of the rockwool to entice those roots to reach outwards. Would take a few days if you're lucky

 

[Harley.Freeman]

I had also just put up a different light yesterday and it is a little bit bigger. I am thinking that is a playing factor in some of this as well. Other then that and the pot size there conditions of living have been really stable.

 

[TerpBeans]

Keep the rockwool clone in some type of small container and then on the heat mat

 

[Harley.Freeman]

Okay I will try this thank you very much for the needed advice!

 

[Ninjadogma]

This is this morning

I've run into this kind of clone failure by putting them in the dirt and treating them like they had roots. The transition into dirt can be just as tongue in cheek as waiting for the first root to pop. I wouldn't give up prematurely but what you'll probably find is fusarium started attacking the stem right at the collar of the cube.

If you don't bury the cube as deep... Even leave the top 1/4 inch of it above the soil line youll be able to help prevent it and you can monitor the moisture at that stem base to keep it out of trouble. Here's the thing, there's no roots at the top of the cube so you can leave it out. Heck... You could even just plop the cube right down on top of the dirt and the roots will drift down into it. But then it has no stability early on. Once you're out of the woods you can bury the whole cube.

 

[Harley.Freeman]

I've run into this kind of clone failure by putting them in the dirt and treating them like they had roots. The transition into dirt can be just as tongue in cheek as waiting for the first root to pop. I wouldn't give up prematurely but what you'll probably find is fusarium started attacking the stem right at the collar of the cube.

If you don't bury the cube as deep... Even leave the top 1/4 inch of it above the soil line youll be able to help prevent it and you can monitor the moisture at that stem base to keep it out of trouble. Here's the thing, there's no roots at the top of the cube so you can leave it out. Heck... You could even just plop the cube right down on top of the dirt and the roots will drift down into it. But then it has no stability early on. Once you're out of the woods you can bury the whole cube.

So it sounds like I should take the approach of removing them from the larger pot and putting them into a much much smaller container with a smaller amount of dirt, less is more at this point and basically keep a close eye on the root development for the next week or so.

 

[trygrowup]

For sure. They had a pretty developed ball of roots around the rockwool cube so I figured maybe they would manage okay. If you were to try and take the challenge of saving her what would you do? It sounds like in general she is on the edge of not making it but I would still like to exhaust all options.

At this point i always suggest some sort of dome cover. A glas or something to minimize the evaporation until the leafs looks better.
That would be my way of trying to save it.

And i'd like to know why not start in the growing medium it's gonna grow in?
To avoid transition as ninja mention.
I'm just asking because i don't understand the rockwool start.

 

[Ninjadogma]

So it sounds like I should take the approach of removing them from the larger pot and putting them into a much much smaller container with a smaller amount of dirt, less is more at this point and basically keep a close eye on the root development for the next week or so.

I would try and get a peek at that stem beneath the dirt where it goes into the cube and make sure it hasn't turned brown and started hollowing out inside. If it has, write it off and move on. If a rescue is possible, it'll be the cube sitting on top of a pile of dirt to try and get the "ick" risk away from the stem while the young roots can still explore.

 

[Ninjadogma]

At this point i always suggest some sort of dome cover. A glas or something to minimize the evaporation until the leafs looks better.
That would be my way of trying to save it.

And i'd like to know why not start in the growing medium it's gonna grow in?
To avoid transition as ninja mention.
I'm just asking because i don't understand the rockwool start.

There's times to dome but when it's potentially under a rot attack, that's not the move to make. You can start them in dirt... Sometimes I'll take two cuts off a plant and put one in rockwool and the other in dirt and it's because some strains do better with one than the other. But dirt is a slower propagation method and because of the longer rooting time it's a lower success rate.

Moving them into dirt, what has worked really well for me is leaving the very top of the cube slightly above the dirt level and before I drop them in I sprinkle a little bit of Bigfoot into the whole. It's mycorrzhea with some biochar and humic/fulvic. The mycorrzhea is for root support. The biochar is a nutrient buffer (stores them and slow releases) and the humic/fulvic is to help smooth out nutrient uptake... So the Bigfoot is really a useful weapon against that dirt shock. It's not essential, just helpful. I use so little of it you wouldn't think it does anything, but it does.

 

[trygrowup]

There's times to dome but when it's potentially under a rot attack, that's not the move to make. You can start them in dirt... Sometimes I'll take two cuts off a plant and put one in rockwool and the other in dirt and it's because some strains do better with one than the other. But dirt is a slower propagation method and because of the longer rooting time it's a lower success rate.

Moving them into dirt, what has worked really well for me is leaving the very top of the cube slightly above the dirt level and before I drop them in I sprinkle a little bit of Bigfoot into the whole. It's mycorrzhea with some biochar and humic/fulvic. The mycorrzhea is for root support. The biochar is a nutrient buffer (stores them and slow releases) and the humic/fulvic is to help smooth out nutrient uptake... So the Bigfoot is really a useful weapon against that dirt shock. It's not essential, just helpful. I use so little of it you wouldn't think it does anything, but it does.

Thanks man.
Yeah i forgot it was clones. I was thinking from seed.
But i think some of that can be used for seedlings too. Like the humic/fulvic. Have to look into that. Thanks

 

[Harley.Freeman]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate it! I have another clone here that's doing a lot better. I assume it's best just to leave it unless it starts to look similar to the other one? Also, I got some Mico but it's not the usual kind. I feel like. The measurements are like 1/4 tsp per gallon of water cuz it's soluble. So am I better off just getting a different brand so I can apply it in a more direct way?

 

[Harley.Freeman]

Here The brand that I got.