Twisted stunted growth rdwc problem

[JIMKSI64]

Nope.
Just playing the forum game. It's part of my hobby. I get to interact with various people and troubleshoot problems. When I am wrong I learn from it. Mostly when I do chime in it's because I myself prolly does not have the answer but it tags the thread so I can see the pattern that leads to a solve. When experienced guys chime in with an answer it makes me think like your post did. Being focused on numbers like everyone on this site knows I am, bugs did not yet enter the equation until we ruled out pH and nutes.

 

[fuffybud]

I am going to narrow my answer / guess.
The 800 focused on nutrition. The deep green focused on nutrition. But I have had a few nitrogen issues and had a nitrogen burn on my hydro and it went deep green yellow dead in like 40 hours.
One of the signatures of deep green burn is tip curl and the leafs become puffy. This is a perfect insect vector. Puffy soft leafs.
Can be more than one thing wrong and one thing can make other things happen.

Ill probably go with too strong a feed at an early age and the odd ph swing. I personally don't think its pests. But ill carry on and not pull them all out that would be a waste. Hopefully ill be back and give my information on it and maybe help someone else. Ive been grown over 20 years and this is the second time I've had this issue.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Ill probably go with too strong a feed at an early age and the odd ph swing. I personally don't think its pests. But ill carry on and not pull them all out that would be a waste. Hopefully ill be back and give my information on it and maybe help someone else. Ive been grown over 20 years and this is the second time I've had this issue.

Thank you in advance for closing it with a solve. It's tagged and it can be searched.

 

[fuffybud]

Thank you in advance for closing it with a solve. It's tagged and it can be searched.

Oh its not solved until they recover. Ill report back if they do with answers

 

[Grownsince95]

Also, don't ever let outdoor clothes or pets in your lung room. If you open the windows in your house you need no-see-um screens or the lung room must remain closed. If you're in an unfinished basement, a second enclosure is usually required.

 

[Grownsince95]

Ill probably go with too strong a feed at an early age and the odd ph swing. I personally don't think its pests. But ill carry on and not pull them all out that would be a waste. Hopefully ill be back and give my information on it and maybe help someone else. Ive been grown over 20 years and this is the second time I've had this issue.

My friend you are seriously at risk of loosing the rest of your plants. If you've been growing for 20 years you know feeding/pH problems don't look like that with your numbers. Denial is not a river in Egypt. The hardest thing to do as a grower is culling plants, we love them too much!

If you love the other healthy ones, get a second opinion or a better scope if you don't believe me.

 

[fuffybud]

My friend you are seriously at risk of loosing the rest of your plants. If you've been growing for 20 years you know feeding/pH problems don't look like that with your numbers. Denial is not a river in Egypt. The hardest thing to do as a grower is culling plants, we love them too much!

If you love the other healthy ones, get a second opinion or a better scope if you don't believe me.

Im in UK the pest we mainly have are nats fruit fly white fly thripes spider mites the mites you said a rare especially for our climate as its too cold.

 

[Grownsince95]

Im in UK the pest we mainly have are nats fruit fly white fly thripes spider mites the mites you said a rare especially for our climate as its too cold.

They hitchhike rides on the flies dude. You don't have greenhouses in the UK? Of course you do. Call one pretending you're writing a story and ask about them. They will confirm 100% they are in the UK and a big problem.

Did you go to the garden center recently to pick up your outdoor plants?

 

[fuffybud]

They hitchhike rides on the flies dude. You don't have greenhouses in the UK? Of course you do. Call one pretending you're writing a story and ask about them. They will confirm 100% they are in the UK and a big problem.

Did you go to the garden center recently to pick up your outdoor plants?

No not been to garden centre.

 

[Grownsince95]

No not been to garden centre.

Excellent, then you cross that off the list of how you got them!

 

[fuffybud]

Hi im just wanting to give an update on my plants so first post was Tuesday and now Sunday so I think 5 days has past and they look like they are recovering. I suspect that i over fertilised them ppm was at 800-900 and ph would go to 6.4 so what I've done so far is lowered the ppm to around 400-500 ph is at 5.7 I've turned my lights down to 25%. I should of learned from the last run that in rdwc you give them a quarter of there recommended dose but some times it can confuse you because they grow faster in hydroponics. No for now they'll stay at a low feed until leafs recover. from this to that.

 

[orggrwr]

I have to agree with @Grownsince95 . Definitely looks like a pest problem. Hope im wrong.

 

[fuffybud]

I have to agree with @Grownsince95 . Definitely looks like a pest problem. Hope im wrong.

All 3 are growing so we'll see the other 3 look really nice and healthy ill put pics on tomorrow to show difference

 

[Ninjadogma]

Looked like it was getting hit with russets or broads or maybe even a mild mosaic based on the witches broom growth that was starting in the top. But it got better and not worse with the updated image and none of those things I mentioned are going to do that. I think you've just got some hard looking mag transport issues and all you need is a little bit of Epsom salt in there and it should help smooth things over and soothe that angry bitch.

Here's what I saw: Asymetrical growth; humpbacking leaves; twisty growth; witches broom tops; unusual mag color loss on a malformed leaf; and an overall darker plant appearance suggesting its N heavy. I don't think the N is behind any of that but could be contributing to making the problem worse.

 

[fuffybud]

Looked like it was getting hit with russets or broads or maybe even a mild mosaic based on the witches broom growth that was starting in the top. But it got better and not worse with the updated image and none of those things I mentioned are going to do that. I think you've just got some hard looking mag transport issues and all you need is a little bit of Epsom salt in there and it should help smooth things over and soothe that angry bitch.

Here's what I saw: Asymetrical growth; humpbacking leaves; twisty growth; witches broom tops; unusual mag color loss on a malformed leaf; and an overall darker plant appearance suggesting its N heavy. I don't think the N is behind any of that but could be contributing to making the problem worse.

I've never heard the term witches broom tops haha but I do think your right on the heavy N i did give a strong feed to start with but I've cut right back. It was confusing because 3 was ok looking good and 3 wasn't

 

[Ninjadogma]

I've never heard the term witches broom tops haha but I do think your right on the heavy N i did give a strong feed to start with but I've cut right back. It was confusing because 3 was ok looking good and 3 wasn't

Witches broom = clusterfuck.

 

[fuffybud]

Hi just an update on my situation the 3 lady's are in recovery there growing new healthy stems slowly but there recovering. Some pics of the recovery and some of the healthy ones. Ph is 5.7 with a low dose feed of 555ppm

 

[Grownsince95]

Hi just an update on my situation the 3 lady's are in recovery there growing new healthy stems slowly but there recovering. Some pics of the recovery and some of the healthy ones. Ph is 5.7 with a low dose feed of 555ppm

Well it's never felt better to be wrong!!! Nice recovery!! I have made a mental note on jumping to conclusions as a result!

I'm still in the "better safe than sorry" camp, but this just enforces how important it is to keep an open mind when trying to solve problems.

Which one of those pics was the sick plant?

 

[fuffybud]

Well it's never felt better to be wrong!!! Nice recovery!! I have made a mental note on jumping to conclusions as a result!

I'm still in the "better safe than sorry" camp, but this just enforces how important it is to keep an open mind when trying to solve problems.

Which one of those pics was the sick plant?

The first and second image from the top and the one in the middle of the two healthy ones. Im stupid really because I didn't learn from the first time I did it should of known better. I got ahead of myself on the feed because they grow faster in hydroponics so just assumed there older lol. Less is more.

 

[fuffybud]

Just wanting to chuck another image in to show recovery the two smaller ones was 2 of 3 that was the stunted ones but now looking loads better. I've flipped to 12/12 now so im 4 days into stretch.