Help, i thought i was over watering but not sure

[dr.thumbgreen]

Had these wee babies for 9 days, the are getting bigger but have started to droop and going lighter and im worried they are possibly overwatered but pots were very light and soil at top was crumbly after 3 days. Here are pics day 1 , day 6 and day 9.

 

[Grownsince95]

Are they clones? If so the root system is way more shallow than a seeded plant and needs to be kept more consistently moist. If it was light, dry and crumbly you likely waited too long between watering.

What's temp and rh like? Very low humidity will make them close their stomata and look puffy like that as well as dry out your media very fast.

Lots of possibilities, need more info to nail it down though.

 

[dr.thumbgreen]

Are they clones? If so the root system is way more shallow than a seeded plant and needs to be kept more consistently moist. If it was light, dry and crumbly you likely waited too long between watering.

What's temp and rh like? Very low humidity will make them close their stomata and look puffy like that as well as dry out your media very fast.

Lots of possibilities, need more info to nail it down though.

Yea they were clones, i only let them dry out as they seemed to resemble others overwatered pics, rh is around 75 and temp is 20-22 Celsius. There are roots coming out bottom, they are about 3-4 weeks from clone.

 

[trygrowup]

Here is what my under watering looks like.

They are very dry now for 2nd time

 

[Galgrows]

Here is what my under watering looks like.
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They are very dry now for 2nd time

Are you doing that intentionally?

 

[Galgrows]

Yea they were clones, i only let them dry out as they seemed to resemble others overwatered pics, rh is around 75 and temp is 20-22 Celsius. There are roots coming out bottom, they are about 3-4 weeks from clone.

Do they sit in puddles on a cold floor?

 

[dr.thumbgreen]

Do they sit in puddles on a cold floor?

I dont have them on stands or anything they did drink the runoff back up

 

[Galgrows]

I dont have them on stands or anything they did drink the runoff back up

Yes well i'd put them up off the floor they don't really do well in my experience and those long tall pots may just not drain and dry as quickly down at the bottom. I like them just don't think there's enough airflow with them.

 

[dr.thumbgreen]

Yes well i'd put them up off the floor they don't really do well in my experience and those long tall pots may just not drain and dry as quickly down at the bottom. I like them just don't think there's enough airflow with them.

Have some fabric pots was going to repot soon before they go in big tent. Do i let them dry out first

 

[Grownsince95]

Yea they were clones, i only let them dry out as they seemed to resemble others overwatered pics, rh is around 75 and temp is 20-22 Celsius. There are roots coming out bottom, they are about 3-4 weeks from clone.

Temp is ok, what's the humidity? Other things can make them look over watered. You're trying to diagnose a turgor pressure issue. What are they growing in and what are you feeding/watering them with?

 

[trygrowup]

Are you doing that intentionally?

No not really. I just keep them there to get the pollen. So i kinda forget them.
I gave them water after taking the photo.

 

[greengrower73]

No not really. I just keep them there to get the pollen. So i kinda forget them.
I gave them water after taking the photo.

There is no such thing as over watering, you can water too often but its almost impossible to give them too much water at once. You could feed each pot 10 gallons of water at a time and as long as you let them dry back you haven't over watered. excessive yes and you'll wash away any nutrients in the soil but you haven't over watered. I give 3 gallon pots 1 gallon of water or feed, 5 gal pots 1.75 gal at a time.

 

[ChairmanFester]

Here is what my under watering looks like.
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They are very dry now for 2nd time

BY THE EMPEROR!

lmao, I kid but another thing to think about is light distance. You might have the correct light amount and intensity but still be too close (and I am always too close). I don't get as brave with light as like NyarlthloFloridaMike but he also compensates and goes to pound town for weight, my style is more casual.
Might also be as much wet roots as over watering OR there is soil compaction. Many things are possible, most things are fixable.
Gal and Grown might be on the track for this one.

 

[Grownsince95]

Yea they were clones, i only let them dry out as they seemed to resemble others overwatered pics, rh is around 75 and temp is 20-22 Celsius. There are roots coming out bottom, they are about 3-4 weeks from clone.

I didn't catch that the first read. 75% rh at that temperature is like .6 vpd. In those conditions your plants can't "breathe" normally because there's not enough water being pulled through by the atmosphere, it's too saturated. Water inside the plant needs to evaporate when it opens the stomata so more water can be pulled up from the ground. If the osmotic pressure from the roots is much greater than the loss from the top, the plant can take on this swollen look.

If that was the case though, your soil shouldn't be drying out so fast, so something doesn't add up. 9 days from where they started to where they are is hard for me to wrap my head around, given the info you've provided.

If they've got roots coming out the bottom already you should get them into bigger fabric pots now anyway. You'll be able to get a good look for yourself what's going on down there.

 

[Ninjadogma]

This posture is "low osmotic pressure." Has a couple causes but two together are a recipe for trouble: an undersized pot with high EC. A deep watering will lighten the EC load and it'll be a more forgiving environment if the roots have room to stretch out. Once conditions improve the fans don't necessarily untuck themselves from that posture. If they've been like that for a little while theyll keep the shape but new growth will look better... You'll see the tops perked and new growth will break from the bad posture.

 

[Ninjadogma]

There is no such thing as over watering, you can water too often but its almost impossible to give them too much water at once. You could feed each pot 10 gallons of water at a time and as long as you let them dry back you haven't over watered. excessive yes and you'll wash away any nutrients in the soil but you haven't over watered. I give 3 gallon pots 1 gallon of water or feed, 5 gal pots 1.75 gal at a time.

With a high volume of water you start losing essential components of the soil. Smaller particulate gets washed out, as well as beneficial microbes, and if you're using tap you can wind up drifting the pH upward. There's most certainly "too much water" that can happen with your plant. Either with too much frequency or too much volume. But if it happens it's not the end of the world. You can introduce a reset protocol, reintroduce microbes with a light compost tea for example, and the medium will repopulate and resume to normal in just a few days if steered right. You can get in a jam with your watering and you can get out of it, and it's good to know both of those things.

 

[ChairmanFester]

I get fixed posture in late flower when I'm finishing, you run em a little on the dry side a few times and suddenly they don't bounce right back- then again it's the same stage it's eating out the inside of the leaf.
I think what he's got and you're pointing out I had on that nightmare cherry auto that went 160 days. My guess with the lights now that I think of it hasn't really got anything to base it on.

 

[ChairmanFester]

With a high volume of water you start losing essential components of the soil. Smaller particulate gets washed out, as well as beneficial microbes, and if you're using tap you can wind up drifting the pH upward. There's most certainly "too much water" that can happen with your plant. Either with too much frequency or too much volume. But if it happens it's not the end of the world. You can introduce a reset protocol, reintroduce microbes with a light compost tea for example, and the medium will repopulate and resume to normal in just a few days if steered right. You can get in a jam with your watering and you can get out of it, and it's good to know both of those things.

Also now I wonder if you can precipitate buffers and minerals by sanding the water with rock dust, it's a war against time and gravity but it might work.

OP, do you love magnetic stirrers?

EDIT: EDINGTON EDITION:
I fucked around for a minute... create space between the soil and the pot gentyl, and pour in perlite (about 1/8th inch layer) let the soil relax back and it should work itself in pretty well if you rotate the pot daily. Just by the agitation in the motions. Rock dust will create pockets at this point no matter what.

 

[greengrower73]

With a high volume of water you start losing essential components of the soil. Smaller particulate gets washed out, as well as beneficial microbes, and if you're using tap you can wind up drifting the pH upward. There's most certainly "too much water" that can happen with your plant. Either with too much frequency or too much volume. But if it happens it's not the end of the world. You can introduce a reset protocol, reintroduce microbes with a light compost tea for example, and the medium will repopulate and resume to normal in just a few days if steered right. You can get in a jam with your watering and you can get out of it, and it's good to know both of those things.

I'm not saying to water with 10 gal but pots need to be saturated, dry soil wicks moisture away from root tips. Pots should dry uniformly and not have wet and dry pockets. Excessive watering is a bad habit and should be avoided but under watering is worse imho

 

[Gmix]

To me I see clear signs of overwatering & underwatering no matter what it’s called scientifically.