🍪 Refilling The Cookie Jar 🍪 And Getting Baked 🍪

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The cookie jars went empty and this was such a potent and novel weed I have to grow this again. The plants form is everything you want in a well selected refined plant. One thing to watch out for is that it stinks very bad in flower. The plants smell weaponized just a deep nasty indescribable smell with a black pepper on top that attacks your nose and eyes. Many times I would open the tent in flower and my head would snap back instinctually as the smell wafted out at me. At least I knew the charcoal air filter was still working. It makes some very pretty flowers. Not a big yielder, but very high quality. More for connoisseurs, not cash croppers seeking biomass. The buds are very dense, snowy, and pack a heavy punch.

Especially when it is vaped it gives off this aroma like fresh baked cookies, or that smell like there are vanilla cookies baking in the oven and it hangs around a while. Smells really good. That aroma is there when its smoked too like in a pipe or bong, but its really noticeable on the vape. This weed gives people the munchies like crazy. You get the normal munchies, but with this vanilla and cookie smell hovering in the room amplifies it into just ultra-munchies because it kicks in the psychological aspect of smelling that baking cookies smell. The taste in the mouth is like candy and grape, and that is how the cured buds smell. So this delicious assault on the senses...it adds up and I have never raided the kitchen so hard on any other weed. A lot of weed has cookie in the name, but this one actually delivers the cookie experience. Its a really hilarious masterpiece.

March 25th 6 of 6 pushing up

March 29th looking happy in their containers under the dome

FFW to April 21st where I have them leaned back a little by a wire.

April 27th and they are starting showing their sex.

I was a little disappointed to get a 5 females and 1 male. I only wanted 3 females really. 1 germinated a little slower and was lagging behind the others and it was a female so I cut that one down and made some tea. That left me with 4 females and the 1 male. Not far off from my goal. I wanted a 3/3 split but I just have to roll with it.

April 28th. Starting LST.

May 8th
I switched over to flowering. They stretched some not too much, and I used this preflowering time to shape the plants through LST some more. It worked. Normal defiation and cutting away any suckers that were much lower than the overall canopy were removed. I was going for around 6 nice branches/tops I can't get them too wide or I run out of horizontal space.

May 22nd
and flowering is beginning to go.

The male has been isolated and has already dropped a little pollen from the first opened flowers. I won't use this first pollen. First flower bias is not good. I'll wait until he starts dropping pollen regularly and use that.

Next time it is lights on I will take some photos to show the plants better. Right now there is no highly noticeable aromas from them, just a slight dank smell with a touch of over-ripe fruit.

 

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Last nights random photos.

 

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The other day water under the bridge
They look somewhat sativa dom
Doesn’t look like a indica or Afghan mind hybrids can surprise you
What are they

 

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The other day water under the bridge
They look somewhat sativa dom
Doesn’t look like a indica or Afghan mind hybrids can surprise you
What are they

Much water has gone down the Ganges.

Good eyes. I am impressed.
They are polyhybrid crosses. One of the parents is from an acquaintance who had been working, selecting, it for about 7 years. A very nice male was crossed with an entirely different genetic to produce these. His line had the sweet, grape, creamy flavor and has very pretty redish to purple buds. He crossed that with a fairly well selected entirely different genetic of a creamy vanilla tasting female. The candy grape genetics became recessive in this cross, but added snow coverage. I did go back and look at the incomplete notes I have on it's lineage.... Trying to see how many sativa forms and how many indica forms went into it. My best estimate is 60-40 according to strain descriptions. Close to balanced. But I find these indica/sativa descriptions are more subjective opinions halfway through the notes more so than realiable information.

When I look at it, it is sativa in structure with the exception of the the hybrid leaves which seem indica-like, being wide and short. So the combination of sativa like airy structure but short wide leaves. It is a non-typical look, so good eyes. I'm surprised anyone paid attention enough to notice.

As for its form. You are right, it is similar to the sativa type botanical form in that it grows like a vine, and not so leafy. That is exactly why I think its form is fantastic and well refined. There is not a bunch of leaf to defoliate in veg or trim at harvest, less risk of mildew/microclimates if something is missed or some equipment fails. It makes a lot of sense for it to be selected and shaped that way. It is care for the refinement, the grower, and the trimmer. I think that is important and commonly lacking in sloppy genetic offerings rushed to market. It was the first strain where I truly appreciated the care and time put into the selection of the plants growing form. It shows how practical the plant can be if one takes the time and makes an effort. It Makes growing it very easy and laid back feeling. A break from so much work. A good portion of the work for the grower was weeded out in selection over time. After a tough grow or dealing with grow problems, I grow this. It restores my spirit and makes me smile in appreciation to what can be done with proper care and effort by someone that knows and has mastered what they are doing.

Out of sheer luck I have a picture of a pure sativa landrace right next to one of these. The pure sativa was a leftover mistake from germinating too many seeds, and I didn't have the heart to kill all of them. I left one in a tiny container to keep it dwarfed and to occupy a small space in the corner. I just randomly snapped a photo of it, and you can see a baker plant in the photo to compare it to. Both very similar to a vine, but the polyhybrid with its short wide leaves. If it was not for the LST on Baker, it would be more obvious.

Another key difference is sativa types have loose airy buds like bunches of grapes, and Baker has tight dense buds more like a sealed up pine cone. More dense than many described as indica in my experience. The best combination of physical traits. At least to me. My opinion.

Another one of last nights random photos from early flowering. Coming along, steady.

 

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With the pollen from the male I will pollinate one bud site on a couple of females as soon as I get the opportunity. This is a good time, and the seeds will have plenty of time to be matured.

 

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I got the chance to pollinate 2 small sites on 2 females. Probably going to end up with 30 seeds or so. I may do the same on one of the other females another time. Its such delicate work I take it easy. Away from the grow area, no mistakes, fluid and graceful movements so no pollen gets accidentally knocked around. Not a situation where you want to crowd your workspace.

it will be great to have this in the jars again. Its entertaining to watch people smoke it. They sit down, take a rip or two. They turn around completely relaxed, smiling with red squinty eyes. The mood lifts, and there is laughing, jokes and having fun. Great social weed. The kind where having a couple friends over feels like going back to when you were a kid in a playful happy mood. Stress falls away, distractions and problems very distant and forgotten. Just have to make sure there is plenty of healthy food choices because this will create a munchie situation and its better to plan ahead! A big rounded experience to use this weed.

 

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Barely in early flowering and already getting frosty. Nice.

 

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Trichomes getting nice, flowing out to leaves.

 

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The 2 plants where i hand pollinated some bud sites are forming a few seeds. So I used the pollen on a third female.

 

[Bilber]

Hey After.....

Awesome lil set-up you have!!

Curiosity has bitten me.

I'm a pollen chucker who chucks to save plants, regardless of pheno...

My areas are quite small, which could be used to sift through 100s of solo recipients, yet I choose not to....

Using reliable genetics is always recommended, but.....

My point I guess would be?

Some of us growers, me, can not realistically have a breeding area which kinda hurts, but I've done alright for what and who I am....

Awesome stuff in your threads!!!!

And sometimes you do not need 100's of plants to keep um going....

With the pollen from the male I will pollinate one bud site on a couple of females as soon as I get the opportunity. This is a good time, and the seeds will have plenty of time to be matured.

 

[Bilber]

Here are a couple I'm working on.....

 

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Hey After.....

Awesome lil set-up you have!!

Curiosity has bitten me.

I'm a pollen chucker who chucks to save plants, regardless of pheno...

My areas are quite small, which could be used to sift through 100s of solo recipients, yet I choose not to....

Using reliable genetics is always recommended, but.....

My point I guess would be?

Some of us growers, me, can not realistically have a breeding area which kinda hurts, but I've done alright for what and who I am....

Awesome stuff in your threads!!!!

And sometimes you do not need 100's of plants to keep um going....

Depends on your starting material. If the genetics breed true, and good traits are already locked in like with an IBL that is stabilized and has been through stress testing and all the good selection from a from competent and knowledgeable breeder, you can definitely breed them forward some generations without problems.

On the other side of the coin, with plants that throw out variation like unstable complex crosses or polyhybrids, one would need 100 or preferably several hundred plants to see the best examples for breeding forward, and to do stress testing and lab testing on. So a small space and a few commercial polyhybrid plants from the popular suppliers just doesn't work well at all. Even if you are doing it over long periods working the same line and stress testing. It sets up a situation where the odds are you see mediocre examples from just a few plants in the spectrum, and possibly undesirables. And doing this actually results in degradation rather than maintenance or improvements. The best expressions can be 1 in 100, or even more rare.

Either way, having a few seeds stored away is a good idea. These are uncertain times. Nothing wrong with that. I am acquainted with a couple well respected experienced breeders, and through that relationship I can do a little better than the average grower I guess. I'm not under any illusion that I can maintain the IBLs or complex crosses in a small scale. I regularly have to refresh the collection by getting re-upped from the profis.

 

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Here are a couple I'm working on.....

I see you have some kind of polyhybrid thing going on. What was the point of the cross? Generally adding more and more genetic contributions makes it more amalgamated, more diluted, more unstable, and less desirable. So I don't get it, other than that is what pollen chuckers do. Meaningless crosses, further dilutions of smashing polyhybrids together into ultrapoly-polyhybrids. (No thanks)

Don't know what I can say about your plant from the superficiality of how it looks. It doesn't impress me visually. But the real judgement is not how it looks, but the chemical compounds inside, the effects it brings. OG kush isn't an impressive plant to see either, but people like it, and it makes nice crosses when combined/refreshed with something. Is yours one of the big three common terpene profiles that the vast majority of the commercial stuff is? Or is it something actually unique? What makes it special to ya anyway? Get a cannabinoid and terpene profile from a lab, and I can give you my opinion. If its special you could clone it forever. Its babies will show all kinds of variations so its not like they will be the same as that plant there. Clone only or selfed only, unless you want to stabilize it over 7, 8 generations. That is a big commitment.

The more you know about plant breeding, the more you learn, the better. Nothing wrong with gaining skills, but the education and experience you gain over time will teach you a lot. Breeding basics indicate that your starting genetics matter a great deal.

I made some comments about pollen chuckers in another thread here where someone is growing seeds from a pollen chucker (I think) and got some hermie problems.
Post in thread 'Seeds in my plants what are my options' https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/seeds-in-my-plant-what-are-my-options.175392/post-3431668
When I do make seeds from unstabilized lines I make clones of it and put them through the ringer. Start them flowering then reveg in cold temperatures, water deprivation, irregular lighting, starve them, too much moisture and anything sexually unstable or with low resistance gets trash canned. Then I'm confident my back up seeds are from known good plants, and worth using if I need to. Sometimes I do. I did that with the plants from my other journal Vampire Lightning. The clones were stress tested and are rock solid genetics. Real champions.
I also keep a few prized males and females as houseplants. I clone them and flower the clones. After they are proven good, I treasure them.

If hobby seed production is interesting to you, I would suggest doing your small scale seed producing with well selected IBLs. Not with the narrow polyhybrids from the commercial scene. Your results will be better longer. Plus you can make your own F1s as much as you need. I can get you in contact with the right people, make recommendations for breeding quality stuff, or we can always chat about this stuff anytime. DM open to serious discussions.

What's your opinion on the journal for Baker? How can I improve it?

 

[Bilber]

Definitely great read!!

Totally agree with starting with proper genetics are the main ingredient for a true breed!

For not sifting through seeds, Skylien derived from a I.L.G.M.s feminized Skywalker O.G. and Blimburns feminized Alien O.G. that was STSed.....

No, nothing fancy, nothing to brag about, but she doesn't herm, she isn't needy, she takes stress well, and the flavor is not bad...

She's not lemony, nor fruity, but there are notes of skunk, very minimal, diesel/oil or a car shop, ish, and some type of outdoor....

Breeder I am Not.

Have fun I do.

Awesome stuff After!!

 

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Which breeders are you referring to? Are you working some pure cultivars?

 

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Definitely great read!!

Totally agree with starting with proper genetics are the main ingredient for a true breed!

For not sifting through seeds, Skylien derived from a I.L.G.M.s feminized Skywalker O.G. and Blimburns feminized Alien O.G. that was STSed.....

No, nothing fancy, nothing to brag about, but she doesn't herm, she isn't needy, she takes stress well, and the flavor is not bad...

She's not lemony, nor fruity, but there are notes of skunk, very minimal, diesel/oil or a car shop, ish, and some type of outdoor....

Breeder I am Not.

Have fun I do.

Awesome stuff After!!

I'm going to drop something valuable for you and others like you. You don't have to have some label like 'breeder' or a series of green houses to learn about biology. About good plant breeding practices and the concepts.

#1 cannabis is a plant. There are other plants too, and they have quite a bit in common these plants. Don't think of cannabis as some isolated alien life form here on this earth. It's a plant. People have worked with other flowering plants, vegetables, fruits. Ok, so lets take vegetables. There with vegetables you also have IBLs, F1 hybrids, and all that.

#2 The concepts of good plant breeding are not impossible to understand. Many people have started knowing next to nothing and learned, put that abstract knowledge to use in practice and became good farmers, plant breeders, horticulturalists, and even won awards.

#3 Study the biology, be it cannabis or vegetables, and you will likely learn a great deal. If you only rely on forums like this to gain info, you won't evolve right, just get stuck in the ditch that was intentionally dug for you. There is too much superstition, misunderstandings, business/profit interests and at your level you can't tell good info from bad and the conflicting jumbled up output you get doesn't help you. If you really want to take it serious check your local educational services for classes or courses. What you learn there you can apply directly to cannabis. You can go on your own, but you need to leave the cannabis specific info behind. Study gardening, horticulture, plant biology etc. Then you will make a quantum leap in your understanding.

Ultimately its up to you what direction you go.

 

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Which breeders are you referring to?

Personal friends of mine. Thats all I will say about them or my personal life. This is a grow journal about my grow of the cultivar Baker. Just scroll up to the top and read and that should be clear. I'm happy to comment or discuss about the topic of the grow journal.

Are you working some pure cultivars?

Pure breeds have already been 'worked' and good traits are locked in from their selection process to get them where they are. Not really sure what your question is supposed to mean because it doesn't really make sense. What I do with them (work?)... outside of turning them to ashes... I make the hybrids with heterosis from crossing them. Fun to grow the monsters.

Am I growing some pure breeds? Yes, on the side, but that is not what this grow journal is about.

Baker is not a stabilized true breeding cultivar and does have variation. Not crazy variation like ultra-polyhybrids though. It has two phenotypes tall and short. The recessive pheno is the one with the loud candy grape flavor. Both phenotypes have a lot in common though, just nuances in flavor mostly. Different growth habbits. The dominant pheno, the taller one is more colorful. I like both phenotypes really. It gives nice results either way. Would be a great candidate for stabilization because it has so many great features. Its a hillarious masterpiece that plays on the whole cookies theme, and really delivers. It overwhelms with its charm. Its really a unique stand out in that way. I haven't ever witnessed any other cannabis that just piles it on like this one does. Its a real pleasure to grow it.

 

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But yeah, sometimes I fill a tent with a pure breed, just not this grow. I do use to seiously treat symptoms and to do that I need the right medicine every time, knowing it will work, knowing what dosage is needed. So consistency and reliability of an IBL is needed for that kind of use. Medical use.

This grow of Baker is for a loved one actually. They requested 3 or 4 plants. Ended up with 5 females and a male. Kept 4 females. Kept some pollen to make a small portion of seeds about 20 maybe for back up in case of whatever. These are uncertain times. I have 3 in 3 gallon pots, 1 one in a slightly smaller container, maybe 1.5 gallon. There is also a different plant in a 2 gallon container in the back and a couple very small plants in there too in 6 inch-ish containers, one of which is the sativa I mentioned earlier. Its growing past the light up the side of the tent in the corner. That one always grows like a vine. I guess I should bend it over sometime soon, its not really a priority in the grow. So its a mixed grow in the tent but this journal is only about baker and not the plants on-the-side. The mixed sizes is to make sure I had room for the plants. They still need maybe 6 weeks flowering I guess. Hadn't been keeping track. They are done when they are done. Thats all I know.

 

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Bahahahhaahaa you are something else
So you are also growing polyhybrids?
Oh okay. Yet you shit on others who grow them
Nobody asked about your personal life!

Is your name nobody? You asked about my personal life and its still there for anyone to read. So stop with the gaslighting!

Baker is a complex cross, not exactly polyhybrid. Do you even know what that difference is? They haven't passed that threshold into polyhybrid. These aren't for me anyway. They are just for fun weed for someone else upon request, not medical. I like growing them, they are pretty in fade and the flowers are pretty too. I cant wait for them to progress to that point. Its also funny to watch people get squinty red eyes and grin and laugh and their moods lift when they smoke it. Funny social weed.

Not all polyhybrids are the same anyway. Learn the difference so you can talk intelligently about the subject. There is the commercially bred junk poly and ultra-poly (15-20 genetic amalgamation) from the same old narrowed genetics, and there are polyhybrids from better genetics with wider terpene breadth and wider genetic diversity in them that aren't part of the commercial dilution scene. They can have their place as useful/worthy of growing for sure.. You don't seem to have a good grasp of anything but the generic commercial cannabis, so I understand your confusion.

I say commercial polyhybrids are bottlenecked unstable junk, and they are. There is real world evidence supporting that. Breeding together polyhybrids making further dilutions is dumb, yeah I do say that, for good reason because I understand the biology.

What's your point? Gaslighting and confusion based on your myopic experience from knowing only commercial or chucked commercial genetics? Typical and boring.

I got better things to do. I could have this same back and forth with any number of forum randos. Go start a journal about some narrow commercial poly or chucked ultrapoly you got poppin if you are that bored in life. Get in where you fit in.