growing with 400 watt hps looking into 600watt hps

[brosgreenthumb]

just have a few questions about the 600 watt hps.i live in an apartment and growing out of a closet 4x4x6 wil i be able to ventilate the closet with just to fans running.the second thing is the yield way more with 600 hps than a 400 hps. thanks any help would be appreciated.

 

[farmerjohn]

Bros.
Welcome to THC Farmer. With two fans you could run one just under the bulb of the 600W & effectively cool it down to get the plant(s) closer. The other could rotate & strengthen the plants while moving the air around. Get a cheap thermometer/hygrometer & stick it about 4' high. Monitor your temp. & relative humidity. 70 lights off 80 lights on. 60% RH. A wide range of strains like these conditions. Some are different. Some can take a 90 degree closet with 80% RH.

I grew Northern Lights successfully out of a closet just a bit bigger than that. Had 1 mother & rooting or vegging clones in one side on 18/6 & 9 single colas 1/2 gal. clones on 12/12 on the other. Each side had a 400W MH. This was a few years ago. The lights were not quite powerful enuff, but did the job. Just took a bit longer. Heat was not a problem.

I doubt the 600W :sun2:will overheat your space. If it does run the space into the 90s, install a fresh air fan & bring it in from outside the closet.

All factors being equal, you should see a 50% increase in the amount of light available. No reason not to believe that will translate into larger yields. Just remember, lights are just one environmental factor, among many, that will dictate the final yield of any run.:rauch08:

 

[hubcap]

ive used that same sized space with a 600W and without a good inline fan cooling the hood, things got too hot. without seeing, or knowing, your setup, id say the 2 fans youve currently got goin wont be enough....but we need more info....

A 6" inline vortex with a speed (router) controller fixed my heat problems with ample satisfaction. very happy with the performance and quality of the vortex fans.
but there are alot of variables to take into account...

-brand of tent? some are easier to cool than others (more flaps, reflective materiale, etc)
-whats the ambient temp of the room the tents in?? (is it in a closet? an open room?
-intake air from outdoors, or inside?
-whats the ventialtion setup? venting to room? outside?

these are just a few parameters that need to be addressed to figure out your best plan of attack. we could tell you to go out and buy a 1K w/ 10" flanges and get a 10" vortex, but, that might be WAY overkill; but, apparently, those two fans youve got, probably wont cool the tent properly. probably.
600s put out a decent amt of heat for the wattage. what types/size of fans are you using at the moment?

give us some more details.




while some strains are tolerant to warmer temps, i dont always run the same strain, so, id rather control the enviornment so anything can grow in it, rather than hope the strain im runnin likes heat. dig?
my advice would be:

1. give us a detailed description of your current setup and ventilation design. pictures help immensely.

2. pondering the replies and opinions you get here, decide what your BEST (and cheapest) plan of attack would be to cool that tent, CONSTANTLY and CONSISTIENTLY, so you can run anything, at any time, in it. fine tweaking a tent for every grow will get tedious, trust me. and we want this to be fun, not a lesson in patience.


and, generally speaking, yes, 600W lights will garner more, tighter buds, than a 400W light, but, likes stated above, its only one of a few parameters that translate into larger yields.


-cap

 

[brosgreenthumb]

thanks for the welcome farmerjohn

Bros.
Welcome to THC Farmer. With two fans you could run one just under the bulb of the 600W & effectively cool it down to get the plant(s) closer. The other could rotate & strengthen the plants while moving the air around. Get a cheap thermometer/hygrometer & stick it about 4' high. Monitor your temp. & relative humidity. 70 lights off 80 lights on. 60% RH. A wide range of strains like these conditions. Some are different. Some can take a 90 degree closet with 80% RH.

I grew Northern Lights successfully out of a closet just a bit bigger than that. Had 1 mother & rooting or vegging clones in one side on 18/6 & 9 single colas 1/2 gal. clones on 12/12 on the other. Each side had a 400W MH. This was a few years ago. The lights were not quite powerful enuff, but did the job. Just took a bit longer. Heat was not a problem.

I doubt the 600W :sun2:will overheat your space. If it does run the space into the 90s, install a fresh air fan & bring it in from outside the closet.

All factors being equal, you should see a 50% increase in the amount of light available. No reason not to believe that will translate into larger yields. Just remember, lights are just one environmental factor, among many, that will dictate the final yield of any run.:rauch08:

i am using a 400 watt hps right now but was hoping to go bigger with 600 watts for 6 plants of white widow and pure gooey rotating 6plants per harvest .will 600 watt hps be able to handle 6plants at a time ,and if so how much yield to expect. thanks for all the help farmerjohn newbie trying to learn.(gona get thermometer to check temps for sure)

 

[brosgreenthumb]

thanks for the help hubcap

ive used that same sized space with a 600W and without a good inline fan cooling the hood, things got too hot. without seeing, or knowing, your setup, id say the 2 fans youve currently got goin wont be enough....but we need more info....

A 6" inline vortex with a speed (router) controller fixed my heat problems with ample satisfaction. very happy with the performance and quality of the vortex fans.
but there are alot of variables to take into account...

-brand of tent? some are easier to cool than others (more flaps, reflective materiale, etc)
-whats the ambient temp of the room the tents in?? (is it in a closet? an open room?
-intake air from outdoors, or inside?
-whats the ventialtion setup? venting to room? outside?

these are just a few parameters that need to be addressed to figure out your best plan of attack. we could tell you to go out and buy a 1K w/ 10" flanges and get a 10" vortex, but, that might be WAY overkill; but, apparently, those two fans youve got, probably wont cool the tent properly. probably.
600s put out a decent amt of heat for the wattage. what types/size of fans are you using at the moment?

give us some more details.




while some strains are tolerant to warmer temps, i dont always run the same strain, so, id rather control the enviornment so anything can grow in it, rather than hope the strain im runnin likes heat. dig?
my advice would be:

1. give us a detailed description of your current setup and ventilation design. pictures help immensely.

2. pondering the replies and opinions you get here, decide what your BEST (and cheapest) plan of attack would be to cool that tent, CONSTANTLY and CONSISTIENTLY, so you can run anything, at any time, in it. fine tweaking a tent for every grow will get tedious, trust me. and we want this to be fun, not a lesson in patience.


and, generally speaking, yes, 600W lights will garner more, tighter buds, than a 400W light, but, likes stated above, its only one of a few parameters that translate into larger yields.


-cap

the setup i got is simple its a home closet in my room thats painted flat white on the inside so i would say the ventilation right now is just me opening the door and turning on some regular fans from walmart ,house ac always on also dont know if that helps .running a 400 watt hps that cools ok with this setup(which is very poor lol)but i am trying to upgrade to 600watt hps so any ideas would be appreciated.also my outside temp were i live is very high around 115 in summer thanks hubcap wil try and get pics of closet 4x4x6.

 

[brosgreenthumb]

Bros.
Welcome to THC Farmer. With two fans you could run one just under the bulb of the 600W & effectively cool it down to get the plant(s) closer. The other could rotate & strengthen the plants while moving the air around. Get a cheap thermometer/hygrometer & stick it about 4' high. Monitor your temp. & relative humidity. 70 lights off 80 lights on. 60% RH. A wide range of strains like these conditions. Some are different. Some can take a 90 degree closet with 80% RH.

I grew Northern Lights successfully out of a closet just a bit bigger than that. Had 1 mother & rooting or vegging clones in one side on 18/6 & 9 single colas 1/2 gal. clones on 12/12 on the other. Each side had a 400W MH. This was a few years ago. The lights were not quite powerful enuff, but did the job. Just took a bit longer. Heat was not a problem.

I doubt the 600W :sun2:will overheat your space. If it does run the space into the 90s, install a fresh air fan & bring it in from outside the closet.

All factors being equal, you should see a 50% increase in the amount of light available. No reason not to believe that will translate into larger yields. Just remember, lights are just one environmental factor, among many, that will dictate the final yield of any run.:rauch08:

thanks for the reply farmerjohn will try out the tips im currently growing white widow and pure gooey with 400watt hps .but i am looking to upgrade to 600 watt hps thanks for info.

 

[CanadianClassic]

High,Get a 600watt digital ballast and your good to go! i have a 400 and two 600's and i much prefer the 6's,especially the digital ballast and its optional wattage can be ran at 340w/400w/600w and Super Lumen switch witch is supposed to be 600w + 30% more lumens all with the click of a button oh ya and you can switch in and out Metal halide and Hps bulbs without changing anything as far as i know NO 400 watt ballasts on the market can do this.i got Lumateks was like 300$ for the ballast wires and a sweet bulb for each of em hood was extra well worth it.


Goodluck with the ladies!!!

 

[brosgreenthumb]

High,Get a 600watt digital ballast and your good to go! i have a 400 and two 600's and i much prefer the 6's,especially the digital ballast and its optional wattage can be ran at 340w/400w/600w and Super Lumen switch witch is supposed to be 600w + 30% more lumens all with the click of a button oh ya and you can switch in and out Metal halide and Hps bulbs without changing anything as far as i know NO 400 watt ballasts on the market can do this.i got Lumateks was like 300$ for the ballast wires and a sweet bulb for each of em hood was extra well worth it.


Goodluck with the ladies!!!

thanks for info canadianclassic i will definitely get the 600 watt ballast i will be growing white widow from nirvanas.how bout you what you growing.