Stadium215 - Coco - Vert

[frostedlove]

try sns 244 they are the ones who make sns 217
all green and everyone screams about who good there stuff
works. Have not read up on PM spray the 244
but all i read about on 217 is good

sierra natural science
not that it helps now but they send you free samples off there website


just read it can not be sprayed on buds so that rules this out for ya

 

[Monkey OG]

Damn looks good! Get those stakes out Casey Jones will be throwing out some fatties!

 

[sfzoo]

zone penetrator does not kill pm either, eagle 20 is a systemic treatment though you should only treat moms or young clones with it

i've got some eagle20, but i'm too far for that. So i guess i'm going with the Zone/Penetrator mix....unless i can get someone to chime in otherwise

try sns 244 they are the ones who make sns 217
all green and everyone screams about who good there stuff
works. Have not read up on PM spray the 244
but all i read about on 217 is good

sierra natural science
not that it helps now but they send you free samples off there website


just read it can not be sprayed on buds so that rules this out for ya

thanks for the heads up man.

Damn looks good! Get those stakes out Casey Jones will be throwing out some fatties!

stakes are out, but might just run twine up to the ceiling....although that might make watering more of a pain. stakes it is.:flower

 

[Bobby Smith]

How the fuck did I miss this?????

Wow sfzoo, I hope you don't mind but I'm gonna be all over this thread like stink on shit.

Building a vertical PVC octagon in a couple of days when my room is completed - already have about $700 worth of PVC, need another $1K and I'll start building.

Holy shit this thread is a gift from above - never ran vert before, so I'd love any pointers you could give me.

Gonna run four stacked 600s - any guess as to how far you'd want the plants to be from them?

Subbed, subbed, and subbed some more.

 

[sfzoo]

^all are welcome in the stadium Bobby.

PVC sounds daunting to me..lol, i went simple.

stacked 600s, in tubes i'd assume, i think you'd want to get as close as possible(as per mrdizzle's recommendation). You may even be able to get within inches, depending on the power of you fan. i've even read some having plants touch the tubes with no problems.

my setup, the bottom shelf is nearly 1ft from the bulbs. Each shelf above is ~9" further. So...that's about 3ft or so to the top shelf. Seems far, but the girls seem to be doin just fine. A little behind the bottom shelf, in terms of growth, but the should finish decently.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[frostedlove]

zone and penatrator or do you mean saturator.... they dont fight mildew. zone is for the roots and penatrator is for the fooliage spray wetting adgent.... and zone is potassium nitrate and copper sulfate . thats what bottle says. I have a few bottles from last grow show. Why not do the baking soda spray?????
what about getting sulfur burner??
i seen 50 bucks on craigslist bayarea

 

[sfzoo]

sulfer is out of the question for this late in flower, imparts taste.
baking soda, haven't tried it...read a few things, but haven't heard too much about its effectiveness.
Zone is indeed a root conditioner, and yes penetrator/saturator is a wetting agent. PM is averse to both potassium and copper(so i've been told). Check that link, its got a bunch of info on using the combo to fight back PM.
Should be wary of labeling when it comes to nutrients. Companies who want to get their product on the shelves will omit/add info to meet redtape requirements. different laws in different places regarding pesticides, additives, etc..

 

[frostedlove]

I read some reviews on what people said and did with the zone and stuff.......I would be scared a little, Just going by what others say and even what you said about labels not being 100% correct. I might try a little of the zone/combo on a couple plants but i would not risk all 100% on something not made to fight pm


but then again you got to do something or risk lossing it all.......damned if you do damned if you dont kinda thing.....

good luck fighting the good fight and keep us posted

 

[Bobby Smith]

^all are welcome in the stadium Bobby.

PVC sounds daunting to me..lol, i went simple.

stacked 600s, in tubes i'd assume, i think you'd want to get as close as possible(as per mrdizzle's recommendation). You may even be able to get within inches, depending on the power of you fan. i've even read some having plants touch the tubes with no problems.

my setup, the bottom shelf is nearly 1ft from the bulbs. Each shelf above is ~9" further. So...that's about 3ft or so to the top shelf. Seems far, but the girls seem to be doin just fine. A little behind the bottom shelf, in terms of growth, but the should finish decently.

Thanks for stopping by!

Actually gonna try to go bare bulb and save myself the $850 on a vertitube.

Shooting for ~24" radius when the plants are finished flowering (outside diameter will be 5') - with that many light sources (4, obviously), I've read that it almost becomes line source light as opposed to point source light, where the intensity decreases by 1/r as opposed to 1/r^2.

Gonna hang my lights tonight or tomorrow and take some light meter readings and see what I come up with - clones are just about rooted so my timetable has been sped up by about a week.

 

[Shady]

Here's the Dutch Masters' Zone and Penetrator instructions... Good luck on whatever you choose sfzoo... PM is a bitch.

http://www.greengoldhydro.com/page_articles_view.php?id=7​

 

[sfzoo]

^thanks Shady, i've got that saved for reference too...probably from you, lol.

i've already started the ZP, i'm not comfortable with dunking plants, so i'll just be extra vigilant in finding and treating until they finish.

I've read that it almost becomes line source light as opposed to point source light, where the intensity decreases by 1/r as opposed to 1/r^2.

whew, lost me there bro. :sign0065: I'm sure you've got it all sorted. However, i think you may be over thinking it. Or, maybe i'm under thinking it?
I just know that you'll have plenty of light.
I will keep an eye out to see what you find with your light meter.. i'm interested.

When you say 24" radius, do you mean colas will be 24" from the center? You could probably get a bit closer without issue, unless humidity(or lack there of) becomes an issue.

 

[Bobby Smith]

Yeah, was shooting for ~24" finished radius, but remember, each plant will be a maximum of ~3' from 4 600 watt lamps - lets me run a slightly larger radius than someone using 2 1Ks.

Sorry bro, done a shit ton of research getting ready for this build and have read lots and lots of Ddoc's stuff (the inventor of the Cage and Coliseum).

He's got a shit ton of old threads that are saved on on a different website, but here's some quotes:

"The reason for this even light for more lamps is as we add more lamps we get a closer approximation to a line source light which lumen intensity varies as 1/r (on a cylinder surrounding it) instead of a point source which varies as 1/(r*r). This means as you double your distance your light intensity will be one/half instead of one/quarter.
Quote:
In vertical array lighting more lamps will result in a more even, more equal light intensity to all plants. The number of lumens is not everything. Light spectrum is also important. That is why i suggest mixing metal halide and hps lamps.
Quote:
I find that as the light intensity increases above 70,000 lux on my light meter that the spectrum of the light becomes much more important and that a mix of good spectrum HPS and metal halide becomes important. "

 

[biggun4me]

Just when I think I'm learning stuff I see I don't know shit.... But I am gonna hang out and learn stuff... Peace

 

[sfzoo]

Thanks for the info Bobby, i'll may run MH or two on the next cycle. Feel free to drop anymore pertinent info that you may deem relevant.

Biggun, hangout...pull up a chair, light a joint:joint: and relax. Any questions, ask away.

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Things in the stadium are cranking along. :character0201:
Fuckin PM tho!!! They get their second ZP treatment in less than 1 week. I hate hitting nugs like this, but what am i to do? deal with it, thats what!

Life has hit me with a whole heap of stress, and of course Life hands it all to me at the same time..i'm so lucky
added to that, the PM treatment has been all work, but well worth it in the end.

:weed-sign:
Here we are on day 52 of bloom. The Platinum Kush is packin on the weight, i really wish i spent another week on veg with these girls, alas i'll have to take what i get. Haste makes waste, as they say.
The Caseys haven't put on much weight since last week, but they do look tasty.

Casey
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA033059.jpg
PlatinumKush
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA033060.jpg

Remember that super stretched Casey from earlier?
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA033062.jpg

And some of her sisters, taking a stroll outside the stadium for some fresh air. And some ZP...
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA033064.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA033067.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA033070.jpg
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Sorry bout the sideways photos, photobucket hates me. :shake

..cont.

 

[sfzoo]

Ok, so one thing i've just noticed is the distance from light. I've been told by some experience vert growers(mrdizzle, and others) that proximity dictates yield in vert setup.

Fact is, i have to get that last/top row closer. My only problem with having plants on the ground level is the bulbs. There is no way to move them out of the way to water/feed. Any suggestions?

Here's what the proof in the pudding. From L-R is the top-bottom.
Platinum Kush
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043088.jpg

The Caseys don't have such a drastic difference in growth, but the top row of caseys don't have as large colas as the bottom row.

And now, the Platinum Kush
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043092.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043093.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043094.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043096.jpg
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http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043105.jpg
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http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043111.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043112.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043113.jpg
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/PA043116.jpg

You will notice PM in many of the pics. Hopefully, that will be held back for a couple weeks.
Harvest window starts next week. Trichs on the Caseys are 1/2 cloudy, 1/2 clear. Trichs on the PK are mostly cloudy.

I've read that flushing in coco is extremely fast, so i'll have to chose my flush date carefully...don't wanna flush too early and lose some weight.


Thanks for looking Farmers.
As always, comments, hate, love, props, advice, and good vibes are always welcome. :)

 

[Bobby Smith]

Nothing but good vibes coming your way from me, bro - sucks about the PM, but worse things have happened :)

Sounds like you've got it under control, stoked for you and this harvest :)

As far as the top row, not really sure what you could do, other than maybe adding a light or two to each side, or possibly repositioning your current lights?

Get a light meter and take readings with the bulbs in different places and see where the plants on all rows are getting the closest number of lux, no?

Oh, and I can't resist throwing up a pic of my little lady I just made (I hope you don't mind):

 

[mrdizzle]

the thing with the levels is, you dont actually have to have them offset, you could have 4 levels directly over each other, the plants will grow at a 45degree angle towards the bulbs, you could off set them 2inch and you will be gravy, you will probably need to add a net, or my favorite 4x8 sheets of concrete reinforcers to hold the plants tight later in flowering

 

[Shady]

Despite the PM, things are looking pretty good for your first run with vertical bare bulbs sfzoo... Be careful with the zp spray around the colas (don't saturate them as much as the leaves) and dry to drop your RH if it's above 60%. As for the top row, could you raise the center bulb and leave the other two at the current height? :wondering

 

[Darth Fader]

Cool grow amigo. That Casey is a yielder.

 

[Taedon83]

I see PM and also some nute fry. Mainly nitrogen toxicity and cal/mag lockouts. If you didn't have PM prior then I definately to blame it on your exhaust.. Your pulling in negative pressure exhausting your filter out the window.

Seal up and restructure for next run. Run the carbon on the floor and buy a split AC.