Ladies and Gentlemen, May I Introduce HB11-1043

[JeromeGarcia]

I wonder how many folks will drop off the Registry if they start tracking the patient's every move or require folks to further "license" and "regulate" merely to be a caregiver?

Seems like anonymity is gonna be a safer route for A LOT of folks...no names on a list available to po-po.....NO plant counts...no fee to the State.....just like the old days!
s h

Sky - I disagree. Would you rather be sittin' at home w/ a paper that says the man has no right to hassle you. Or sittin' at home w/ just your wishes & dreams? <I know, the question is a fallacy, but I'm just sayin'>

And, the CG's w/ 5, or less, patients do not have any additional burdens placed on them w/ this law, since, after all, a CG is supposed to already send in the CG'ing form to the DOR...

 

[RMCG]

Sky - I disagree. Would you rather be sittin' at home w/ a paper that says the man has no right to hassle you. Or sittin' at home w/ just your wishes & dreams? <I know, the question is a fallacy, but I'm just sayin'>

And, the CG's w/ 5, or less, patients do not have any additional burdens placed on them w/ this law, since, after all, a CG is supposed to already send in the CG'ing form to the DOR...

That initial draft says 30 plants. A caregiver with 5 patients == 36 plants.

Also, it says that a caregiver cannot sell to someone that is not their patient, does that apply to the newly created 'licensed' CG or ??.

 

[JeromeGarcia]

That initial draft says 30 plants. A caregiver with 5 patients == 36 plants.

Also, it says that a caregiver cannot sell to someone that is not their patient, does that apply to the newly created 'licensed' CG or ??.

I agree that language needs cleaned up. But the intent is there a person could grow 36 plants, w/ 30 falling under the CG definition, and the 6 as your personal. w/o having to get a CG Cultivation Licenses Kinda of like how currently a person can grow 72 plants and be legal, IF they are a husband and wife who are both patients and CG's.,

It always appears from other internet messaging boards that the Reefer Madness crowd is VERY much against this bill. And I find that very interesting...

 

[RMCG]

I agree that language needs cleaned up. But the intent is there a person could grow 36 plants, w/ 30 falling under the CG definition, and the 6 as your personal. w/o having to get a CG Cultivation Licenses Kinda of like how currently a person can grow 72 plants and be legal, IF they are a husband and wife who are both patients and CG's.,

It always appears from other internet messaging boards that the Reefer Madness crowd is VERY much against this bill. And I find that very interesting...

Any thoughts on license cost? Hoops to jump through? Additional requirements? etc?

 

[canaguy27]

If you have legitimate patients, I would not have then renew their red card. All you need is the doctors recommendation. I know many people that are not renewing. You may have to go to court, IF there is an issue.

As far as guns go, I would never have them in the same place at once. You cannot legally purchase from a store. And you cannot obtain a concealed to carry license. You will be committing perjury. I would feel comfortable with private sales.

 

[OldStageCoach]

Maybe I missed It but when are they voting on this session.

 

[JeromeGarcia]

Maybe I missed It but when are they voting on this session.

Well... a Bill going through the Legislature has a lot of 'steps'. It needs to go to both House and Senate Committees. The head of the House or Senate decides just which committees it goes to. Finally vote is likely in April, or May.

I believe the first hearing on this bill is on February 3rd with the House Judiciary Committee. I am not sure if this hearing will have a public comment period or not.

You can keep track of the bill as it goes through the 'sausage making" process at this site : http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2011A/csl.nsf/BillFoldersHouse?openFrameset

 

[RMCG]

Showing my age here....

:)

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[Melizzard]

That initial draft says 30 plants. A caregiver with 5 patients == 36 plants.

Also, it says that a caregiver cannot sell to someone that is not their patient, does that apply to the newly created 'licensed' CG or ??.

Didn't the article say that a CG can pass on, to another CG, the authority to well to their patient if the CG currently has a business relationship with the other CG? Or did I misread/misunderstand?

xxoo
Mel

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

And you cannot obtain a concealed to carry license.

I have patients with a CCW. Hell, One of them TEACHES CCW classes. I'll end up getting a CCW after this arizona wacko and my favorite liquor store clerk got shot in the jaw last week.

If you do carry a revolver looks alot better than a hi-cap 9mm to a cop.

Mel, it looks like a caregiver can delegate their responsability to another caregiver if the primary caregiver is having trouble providing for their patient. It doesn't say how many caregivers can delegate or definition of a business relationship but it gets the general point accross.

 

[Seamaiden]

Gotta spread the rep before hitting RMCG again...

I SO remember those 'in-betweeners'! I loved them, and still do. Great find.

Showing my age here....

:)

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I really wish the people here in California who were so pro-Prop 19 would read this stuff in the Colorado section. What a nightmare for you all! Make a bad bill, so another bill has to be made to clean up the shit left behind by the bad bill--what a mess that turns into. You're going to be drowning in paper before we realize what's happened to you all.

 

[SoCoMMJ]

Kinda of like how currently a person can grow 72 plants and be legal, IF they are a husband and wife who are both patients and CG's.,

Not sure where you determined that 2 caregivers can combine space. It's pretty clear in HB10-1284 that you can't.

(5) Primary caregivers.
(a) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT
DELEGATE TO ANY OTHER PERSON HIS OR HER AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT NOR MAY A PRIMARY CAREGIVER
ENGAGE OTHERS TO ASSIST IN PROVIDING MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A
PATIENT.

(b) TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN TOGETHER
FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

(c) ONLY A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER WITH AN OPTIONAL
PREMISES CULTIVATION LICENSE, A MEDICAL MARIJUANA-INFUSED
PRODUCTS MANUFACTURING OPERATION WITH AN OPTIONAL PREMISES
CULTIVATION LICENSE, OR A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR HIS OR HER PATIENTS OR A PATIENT FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF MAY CULTIVATE OR PROVIDE MARIJUANA AND ONLY FOR MEDICAL USE.

 

[JeromeGarcia]

Not sure where you determined that 2 caregivers can combine space. It's pretty clear in HB10-1284 that you can't.

(5) Primary caregivers.
(a) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT
DELEGATE TO ANY OTHER PERSON HIS OR HER AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE
MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT NOR MAY A PRIMARY CAREGIVER
ENGAGE OTHERS TO ASSIST IN PROVIDING MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A
PATIENT.

(b) TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN TOGETHER
FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

This hasn't been talked about before? A husband and wife have common law privileges which do allow them to operate in the same house. However, like you point out, CG's can not join (under 10-1284 - changing w/ 11-1043) together. So a smart couple would house their separate grows in different rooms.

 

[canaguy27]

I have patients with a CCW. Hell, One of them TEACHES CCW classes. I'll end up getting a CCW after this arizona wacko and my favorite liquor store clerk got shot in the jaw last week.

All I am saying is that you are committing perjury if you turn in your ap. If you already have one, then I don't know.

 

[Rednick]

How can are you commiting perjury?
"8. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other
controlled substance?.........................................................................................................................................................-Y -N"


Ofcourse I was diagnosed as being an ADDICT at age 14, addiction is a disease and a lifelong one, there is no cure, once an addict always and addict.
One day at a time.

So I guess no guns for me.
But I could probably put these in my paintball marker.

Or these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3O5rVjiQ8

 

[sky high]

the gun-toters in CO say this:

http://www.rmgo.org/gun-law-faqs/alcohol-marijuana-firearms-prohibitions

Cases are hitting the courts now that may set precedence

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110118/NEWS/101180320

It's a mandatory 5 year sentence if yer caught with a gun and yer buds. Always keep in mind that the Feds don't recognize MMJ....whether it be on gun ownership forms or in court.

"The conviction on the charge of possession of a firearm in furtherance of drug trafficking crimes carries an additional mandatory consecutive five years to life sentence, a $250,000 fine, and five years of supervised release".

it's not worth it here... YMMV.

s h

 

[RMCG]

So I can be prescribed the most powerful anti-psychotic drugs available to a shrink and still have a CCW?

Sweet.

 

[canaguy27]

How can are you commiting perjury?
"8. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other
controlled substance?.........................................................................................................................................................-Y -N"

When it saws "unlawful," it is talking about at the federal level.

 

[sky high]

Not sure about that one, RMCG.....but after last week's violence it's pretty evident to me that there are folks in our society today WITH GUNS who >>should<< be on such meds...

 

[RMCG]

That just goes to show that criminals and whackadoos don't care about gun laws, bans, permits, etc.

Rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6...