Triacontanol- what it is, where to find it

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I put alfalfa meal into my tea bag (progress earth or ancient forest... depends on the week) and use it in my NFT reservoirs. Haven't had anything but bright ass white roots and stellar growth.

My concern is that I'm running an RDWC style water media system, a type notorious for root rot problems if not kept well under control. If it works and doesn't create a breeding ground for bad bugs, I'd be all for it!

I foliar spray with alfalfa tea and they love it

Done this way of course it won't matter what my roots are swimming in. Seems I need to get right on my ACT brewer project...
 
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My concern is that I'm running an RDWC style water media system, a type notorious for root rot problems if not kept well under control. If it works and doesn't create a breeding ground for bad bugs, I'd be all for it!

Cool. There's loads of people using bennie teas in their recirculating systems. Mine a recirculating system and I even have sprayers and I filter out the tea first, no clogs or anything.
 
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Cool. There's loads of people using bennie teas in their recirculating systems. Mine a recirculating system and I even have sprayers and I filter out the tea first, no clogs or anything.

Swwet. This is Good News, because I feel that finding natural, organically based solutions to nutrition is better than more salts.
 
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I know evryone is doing their best to drop AV . But has anyone tried nervanna ? A teaspoon of alfalfa meal in my teas would be cheaper and some A1 would be my first choice over the AV . Just wondering if anyone has tried it .
 
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I know evryone is doing their best to drop AV . But has anyone tried nervanna ? A teaspoon of alfalfa meal in my teas would be cheaper and some A1 would be my first choice over the AV . Just wondering if anyone has tried it .

Read up on this thread: Fermented Plant Extracts and making your own nutrient line. This link goes directly to page 4, discussing alfalfa teas and fermented extracts and triacontanol. The whole thread is full of good stuff, though.

Someone asked a question about the solubility of triacontanol in solution with an alfalfa tea. The only way this stuff is IN-soluble is when it's isolated by itself. In the teas, it's already bound to something or the alfafla couldn't use it either.

To be clear, I am not an Advanced Nutrients hater. I just couldn't afford their line, so I educated myself and discovered that anything you can find in their line you can find elsewhere... for LOTS cheaper.
 
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Thanks i checked it out awhile back , its one of the reasons i started adding alfalfa to my teas . Im not a AV hater either the nervanna claims to be a great new organic nute full goodies .Im budding on a budget myself so ill go back and take some notes this round .
 
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Where I live, alfalfa grows wild all over the place. I could just go out and collect some and put it to good use. Does anyone know if I should chop at the soil line, or if the roots would also be good in the FPE?
 
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If you're doing FPE--then anything that isn't "good" won't be digested--so you don't need to worry about it. This process really breaks most of whats present down into its constituent monomers and subunits thereof. The main benefit derived from this is that many cool vitamins, cofactors, and complicated molecules (sesquiterpenes, other defensive molecules) are not digested because they are unrecognized by the bacteria. What you end up with is part nutrient mix, part vitamin cocktail.
 
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If you're doing FPE--then anything that isn't "good" won't be digested--so you don't need to worry about it. This process really breaks most of whats present down into its constituent monomers and subunits thereof. The main benefit derived from this is that many cool vitamins, cofactors, and complicated molecules (sesquiterpenes, other defensive molecules) are not digested because they are unrecognized by the bacteria. What you end up with is part nutrient mix, part vitamin cocktail.

I haven't done any of this sort of thing before, it's going to be a completely new approach for me. ACT is how you breed microbes into the billions for inoculations, and FPE is for plant materials to be fermented, the slurry filtered and then the water used as foliar and root zone feeding. Is that basically correct? I don't know that it's strictly a chemistry question, as there seem to be a whole cocktail of different things going on.
 
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The main difference--if we're separating the two--is that we're using anaerobic bacteria to create the FPE and then diluting the result (because it packs a punch, seriously), and we're breeding aerobic bacteria with ACT (which are good for our soil). With the FPE we are interested in the waste from the anaerobic bacteria, rather than the bacteria themselves (in fact most of these type bacteria would spell disaster for a plant--but mostly because the conditions for them to thrive are bad for a plant generally). To get that waste we provide food (which it is our intention to extract usable chemicals from, and we place appropriate things in accordingly).

With the ACT, we place food in--but in the interest of multiplying the herd. We don't really care if the anaerobic bacteria survive or not in FPE--so long as they do their job. With ACT that's basically the only thing we care about (in addition to some useful chemicals we can extract from material simply by bubbling them in water). The trick to ACT is that we can provide (in bubbled water) a MUCH better environment for these little guys to thrive before dumping them in the soil. The soil is a much more hard knock life for them--and so it's to our benefit if we can innoculate it with as large a population as possible (within reason, and considering proper ratio/symbiosis with other species and fungis).

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I just remembered that you use RDWC. So you will have these dudes in aerated water anyway. It might be good to do this to help them stabilize as a colony first--I'd really defer to someone like capulator's expertise on this one (or somone familiar with his packs in a hydroponic setup). I am not experienced with those types of systems. However--if you're looking to get some bennies into your foliars, you may have hit the jackpot.
 
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Okay so I have the basic gist of it right, then. I'm looking to FPE with nettles and alfalfa as feedstocks, to gain the benefits of nettles, and the triacontanol in alfalfa. I plan to foliar feed these to the plants, as I think it would end up too diluted in my RDWC to make much difference.

Many have assured me that ACT in my RDWC water should not lead to pathogenics taking over, unless something is seriously wrong with my root environment to begin with. The flip side is that without some substrate somewhere for the little critters to hang out in, they won't live long floating around in the water. No big deal, just re-inoculate every few days.
 
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what application rate are you guys using for the Calcium 25? and how often do you foliar with it? weekly in veg/bloom?
 
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Okay so I have the basic gist of it right, then. I'm looking to FPE with nettles and alfalfa as feedstocks, to gain the benefits of nettles, and the triacontanol in alfalfa. I plan to foliar feed these to the plants, as I think it would end up too diluted in my RDWC to make much difference.

Many have assured me that ACT in my RDWC water should not lead to pathogenics taking over, unless something is seriously wrong with my root environment to begin with. The flip side is that without some substrate somewhere for the little critters to hang out in, they won't live long floating around in the water. No big deal, just re-inoculate every few days.

Check this thread:

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/diy-pvc-biofilter-beneficial-breeding-ground.32870/
 
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So I'm just trying to figure out how I can get some of the alfalfa growing volunteer all over around here into a tea. Is it true that I do NOT have to 'brew' or ferment it? Do I heat or boil it? Do I just chop the alfalfa up really small, like putting it in a blender, and then let it sit for a bit before straining the solids out? I'm a first timer at this, so feel free to laugh at the silly questions, but I gotta start somewhere.
 
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So I'm just trying to figure out how I can get some of the alfalfa growing volunteer all over around here into a tea. Is it true that I do NOT have to 'brew' or ferment it? Do I heat or boil it? Do I just chop the alfalfa up really small, like putting it in a blender, and then let it sit for a bit before straining the solids out? I'm a first timer at this, so feel free to laugh at the silly questions, but I gotta start somewhere.
The information is VERY easy to find.You even directed another member to read a thread that has the information you want.



Why don't you do what you suggested... then you will find the info.




Read up on this thread: Fermented Plant Extracts and making your own nutrient line. This link goes directly to page 4, discussing alfalfa teas and fermented extracts and triacontanol. The whole thread is full of good stuff, though.

Someone asked a question about the solubility of triacontanol in solution with an alfalfa tea. The only way this stuff is IN-soluble is when it's isolated by itself. In the teas, it's already bound to something or the alfafla couldn't use it either.

To be clear, I am not an Advanced Nutrients hater. I just couldn't afford their line, so I educated myself and discovered that anything you can find in their line you can find elsewhere... for LOTS cheaper.
 
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The information is VERY easy to find.You even directed another member to read a thread that has the information you want.



Why don't you do what you suggested... then you will find the info.

The reason I asked was more because I want the simplest recipe first, didn't want to dive into the advanced end of the pool just yet if I didn't have to.
 
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The reason I asked was more because I want the simplest recipe first, didn't want to dive into the advanced end of the pool just yet if I didn't have to.
You already read the recipes and told someone else to read the recipes. Nothing very advanced unless you find getting up off your chair, throwing some stuff in a bucket, then checking ph... "advanced". If your growing in hydro your already doing "advanced" work of mixing things with water and checking the ph.

Ask Capulator- he's been using it and should have the scoop. Invite him to post his application rates here!
Why didn't you ask or invite cap????
You want to be a lazy member who want's information spoonfed or do you want to be someone who contributes good information?? Who what where why when, think about it gather the information and then share it. Actions speak louder than words.
 
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You already read the recipes and told someone else to read the recipes. Nothing very advanced unless you find getting up off your chair, throwing some stuff in a bucket, then checking ph... "advanced". If your growing in hydro your already doing "advanced" work of mixing things with water and checking the ph.


Why didn't you ask or invite cap????
You want to be a lazy member who want's information spoonfed or do you want to be someone who contributes good information?? Who what where why when, think about it gather the information and then share it. Actions speak louder than words.

Damn, dude- guess you didn't read the part where I was asking about the simplest way to do it? How am I supposed to know which is which? Then, I told the guy to ask Cap about application rates for calcium-25, which I'm not using. Take a chillpill n quit with the recriminations already.
 

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