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Nice looking Bubba, Bubba..I mean Ken.
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Was watching The Colbert Report the other day and he had on an interesting guest who is a soci psychologist and wrote the book
Pertains to our discussion, looks like a good read, going to pick it up.
Here's an excerpt from the book for anyone interested:
"Why can’t our political leaders work together as threats loom and problems mount? Why do people so readily assume the worst about the motives of their fellow citizens? In The Righteous Mind, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt explores the origins of our divisions and points the way forward to mutual understanding.
His starting point is moral intuition—the nearly instantaneous perceptions we all have about other people and the things they do. These intuitions feel like self-evident truths, making us righteously certain that those who see things differently are wrong. Haidt shows us how these intuitions differ across cultures, including the cultures of the political left and right. He blends his own research findings with those of anthropologists, historians, and other psychologists to draw a map of the moral domain, and he explains why conservatives can navigate that map more skillfully than can liberals. He then examines the origins of morality, overturning the view that evolution made us fundamentally selfish creatures. But rather than arguing that we are innately altruistic, he makes a more subtle claim—that we are fundamentally groupish. It is our groupishness, he explains, that leads to our greatest joys, our religious divisions, and our political affiliations. In a stunning final chapter on ideology and civility, Haidt shows what each side is right about, and why we need the insights of liberals, conservatives, and libertarians to flourish as a nation."
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Pertains to our discussion, looks like a good read, going to pick it up.
Here's an excerpt from the book for anyone interested:
"Why can’t our political leaders work together as threats loom and problems mount? Why do people so readily assume the worst about the motives of their fellow citizens? In The Righteous Mind, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt explores the origins of our divisions and points the way forward to mutual understanding.
His starting point is moral intuition—the nearly instantaneous perceptions we all have about other people and the things they do. These intuitions feel like self-evident truths, making us righteously certain that those who see things differently are wrong. Haidt shows us how these intuitions differ across cultures, including the cultures of the political left and right. He blends his own research findings with those of anthropologists, historians, and other psychologists to draw a map of the moral domain, and he explains why conservatives can navigate that map more skillfully than can liberals. He then examines the origins of morality, overturning the view that evolution made us fundamentally selfish creatures. But rather than arguing that we are innately altruistic, he makes a more subtle claim—that we are fundamentally groupish. It is our groupishness, he explains, that leads to our greatest joys, our religious divisions, and our political affiliations. In a stunning final chapter on ideology and civility, Haidt shows what each side is right about, and why we need the insights of liberals, conservatives, and libertarians to flourish as a nation."
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The answers are simple ..... Fuck the electoral college ! Go with a popular vote ! Eliminate super pacts ,unions ,and all big campaign contributions. Make gov smaller more efficient. Give power back to states . If u don't like that state get the fuck out and move to one u like !. Oh and NUMBER ONE SOLUTION !!! LEGALIZE AND IMPLICATE THE FARMING OF HEMP !!! It would solve most of our nations current problems . Give people jobs , end foriegn oil dependancy or oil dependacy period . Because you can make clean efficient fuel ethenol ,or bio diesel. It also burns cleaner than coal and is much easier to produce. Make as much paper from 1 acre of hemp harvesting twice a year, vs 7-10 acres of deforestation! Which takes decades to grow . Ok so it would solve our oil crisis ,make fuel affordable . Make. our country energy indep endent, efficiently ! In turn solves our economy creates tax revenue makes Americans rich ( not middle eastern countries who control opec .which in a way would stop most of our interest in the middle east , so we can concentrate on oud own country and the war we have at our own southern border !! If there was a cantidate running with this as his major message and mission . And could actually get media coverage in our corrupt biased American media . They would be voted in by a land slide ! By the left right and middle . And even the idiots that that don't vote would be motivated .
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I think his guest from last night with the book "The New Jim Crow" which discusses the racial inequality perpetuated by the war on drugs was equally interesting.
I've known for some time that 99.9% of peoples intentions are good. If I really thought that half the country were huge assholes (instead of nice people inadvertently acting like huge asshole--according to my schemas) then I would go to Canada.
It's clear that we all believe strongly whatever it is that we believe--that's part of human nature which compels us to want to be able to explain and understand everything. We can't and so sometimes our brains fill in the blanks for us (and they do a shit job of it).
The reason I've side with the left is essentially because I am an atheist and it's become all to clear that the right has an interest in legislating the bible. I think the bible is no more important a book than Aesop's Fables and so I'd rather not have my marching orders coming from it's pages--even if there are plenty of good lessons within.
To me the whole thing is this false dichotomy:
If you believe killing, stealing, raping, etc are bad then you must also believe that Jesus is the son of God.
Oh you don't believe Jesus is the son of God? Well then you must love raping, killing, and stealing.
It's an argument completely devoid of logic, and it's one which has been perpetuated for a thousand years.
I am able to simultaneously believe that killing, raping, and stealing is wrong--whilst also believing that Jesus is not the son of god--but instead was probably a very smart man who liked attention and knew a little about science (in an age where no one did).
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I hate all religions equally.......from the dalai lama to mother teresa they were all scum bags. Religion is a mental disorder.
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Well I wouldn't say mother teresa was a scumbag--maybe deluded or unenlightened, but she was a great lady.
This all goes back to intention again, for me. I know her intention was good, even if she stands as a symbol for something not-so-good.
This all goes back to intention again, for me. I know her intention was good, even if she stands as a symbol for something not-so-good.
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Her missionaries of charity were nothing more than cots in a room where people laid and died. They gave NO help to anyone who came looking for some. Nuns prayed for them and that was all. The nuns welcomed familys to stay with the dying which spread famine even worse because none of the sick were being treated. Where talking rooms full of cots with puke and shit from floor to ceiling. She led the way for the current catholic hate groups led by followers of hers. Most of which are televangelist here in the states. They spread bigotry hate and tell catholic africans which is the largest religious group in africa that if they have sex and use condoms or pullout their going to hell a place that is somehow worse than the shithole they already live in. Woman are items made for procreation, rape isnt illegal. ZALES=CATHOLIC CHURCH. I wipe my ass with the bible maryln manson style.
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http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20120509&id=15089740
Yup yup people... we need to get out and vote.
RON PAUL FOR 2012!
Yup yup people... we need to get out and vote.
RON PAUL FOR 2012!
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Trip on this. Make sure you take a few rips first.
Did that blow your mind? Then check out this movie.
What the Bleep Do We know? Its about Quantum Physics.
Did that blow your mind? Then check out this movie.
What the Bleep Do We know? Its about Quantum Physics.
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It seems strange to me either that:
The man explained himself so poorly
or that
MIT hired him.
What he's explaining has far more possible explanations than what he's let on. This must be his own personal theory--but it doesn't represent some irremovable and irrefutable finding of science.
Part of the reason we can't figure out where particles are is that by measuring them, we change where they are. This is summed up by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle which essentially states:
The greater accuracy we have about the position of a particle the less information we can obtain about its speed, and vice versa.
The reasoning for this is actually jaw-droppingly simple.
We generally use radiation of some kind to detect these particles. This radiation has an energy all its own. Let's say we're using a laser (common)--if we shoot the laser at a particle it can tell us precisely where it is, however the physical particles which make up the laser actually shoot the thing across the room once the interact with the particle.
The higher energy laser we use, the more precise our positional measurement--and the more hard we whack the thing across the room. The same is true in reverse--if we figure out how fast a particle is moving, we usually don't know where the hell it is after the measurement (unfortunately there is no simple analogy for this one that I'm aware of).
There are other phenomena which have not been explained such as this observed "jumping" of particles--however that being said, there are many more than one explanation which have come up for this behavior--and not a single one of them has been proven (including this one).
nebulius
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I was trying to introduce something interesting to discuss, obviously Quantum Physics isn't a familiar field to you if you believe this is this one man's opinion. The documentary link I posts has Nobel Prize winning and world renowned physicists explaining this. I think you would enjoy it, or at least enjoy picking out the inaccuracies, j/k just messing with ya.;)
I'm growing bored of every discussion being directed towards how it is scientifically inaccurate. I appreciate your enthusiasm for science, I too share many of your thoughts about science and learning, but this is a cannabis forum and I'd rather be steering the conversation in more of a cannabis related direction than a scientific one. Some science is cool, but sometimes its good to have a point of view from a different academic field.
I'm growing bored of every discussion being directed towards how it is scientifically inaccurate. I appreciate your enthusiasm for science, I too share many of your thoughts about science and learning, but this is a cannabis forum and I'd rather be steering the conversation in more of a cannabis related direction than a scientific one. Some science is cool, but sometimes its good to have a point of view from a different academic field.
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I didn't mean to "correct" anything--I was just saying holy crap that was incredibly vague and doesn't really describe any of the other possibilities. He just made it sound to certain--and it's not (that there are infinite parallel universes, where elvis is alive and shit like that).
That's speculation at best. It is clever speculation, but nonetheless speculative.
There are multiple theories for what might be happening--and virtually no reliable data which backs any of them up. I do think the theory is cool, and that something must be happening--but it's not certain what that is, and it just seemed like this was too close to postulating that it is.
It's cool to think about, but it's not something which has yet been explained in any kind of way.
Of course quantum physics is familiar to me, or I wouldn't be sitting here discussing Werner Heisenberg (who was, in part, responsible for many aspects of the theory). I, like every chemist, had to go through molecular orbital theory, and quantum chemistry, and so on and so forth. This is stuff that literally plays into my every day work on a regular basis.
That said, the proof is in the pudding--and I heard lots of talk of pudding without any actual pudding being presented.
Cool theory, definitely not fringe (I didn't mean to imply this)--it's just wholly unconfirmed in every aspect.
For an example of an alternate theory--the idea of "wormholes" has been presented to explain this. Equally unproven, of course, but it just sort of underlines my point which is that this is--at best--a guess.
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Hopfully Obama doesn't get reelected, he is trying so hard with now being pro gay marriage to increase his votes, just like how he was going to decriminalize cannabis(that worked out well)
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I really do mean this in a polite way, a true question. Is there anything President Obama could do right in your eyes?
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fuck no I never liked obama to bad I can't vote
fuck no I never liked obama to bad I can't vote
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He gave the go ahead to kill Bin Laden. I don't care what side of the political fence you sit on you have to give him credit for that. And also gave order to kill Somali Pirates. thats just a few. I hate that our country is so politically divided that you can't give the other side credit for anything, that's why I am independent I don't want to be affiliated with parties that are narrow minded and can't compromise.
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thats quite unfair no? Is it the color of his skin? Just curious where all this animosity for him derides from?
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