Introducing the moon cycle into indoor growing with a DIY LED

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Danksgiving

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So i am going to build myself and LED light and while looking for supplies i ran across this product

http://www.ledgroupbuy.com/makers-controller-sunrise-sunset-controller-for-makersdriver/

It has a cycle to add a moonlight, so it dims your lights to a % you set say 5%, and then depending on which part of the moon cycle it is in it adjust. Full moon 5% New moon 0%...

i was wondering what you guys think.

will it increase growth because the plant is exposed to more light and a higher the daily light integral (DLI)...


or will it cause hermies, nanners and all the other terrible things that come along with light during the dark cycle?
 
mastacheeser

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lol i just took a screenshot for the first time in a while

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It's an age old question whether moon light hermaphrodites plants or not. It comes across the mind any of us who have planted outdoors eventually. Light leaks are bad...any kind even the Moon. I do know a ton of people who swear they get more females when planting by the Moon cycles though. If you have time and can afford the risk of experimenting..I would look into light spectrums (like far red and uv) and moon cycle planting..before I would pollute the Dark Cycle.

I dug up some info from my copy of Marijuana Botany by Robert C Clarke for you to read..in my eyes is a god of cannabis knowledge.

Moon Cycles
Since ancient times man has observed the effect of the moon on living organisms, especially his crops.Planting and harvest dates based on moon cycles are still found in the Old Farmer's Almanac. The moon takes 28 to 29 days to completely orbit the earth. This cycle is divided into four one-week phases. It starts as the new moon waxes (begins to enlarge) for a week until the quarter moon and another week until the moon is full. Then the waning (shrinking) cycle begins and the moon passes back for two weeks through another quarter to reach the beginning of the cycle with a new moon. Most cultivators agree that the best time for planting is on the waxing moon, and the best time to harvest is on the waning moon. Exact new moons, full moons, and quarter moons are avoided as these are times of interplanetary stress. Planting, germinating, grafting, and layering are most favored during phases 1 and 2. The best time is a few days before the full moon. Phases 3 and 4 are most beneficial for harvesting and pruning.Root growth seems accelerated at the time of the new moon, possibly as a response to increased gravitational pull from the alignment of sun and moon.
It also seems that floral cluster formation is slowed by the full moon. Strong, full moonlight is on the borderline of being enough light to cease floral induction entirely. Although this never hap- pens, if a plant is just about to begin floral growth, it may be delayed a week by a few nights of bright moonlight. Conversely, plants begin floral growth during the dark nights of the new moon. More research is needed to explain the mysterious effects of moon cycles on Cannabis
 
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Weed from a light-dep looks like indoor because of the lack of moonlight. You won't see any improvements in your plants or the way they grow. Best case scenario they will be twice as leafy and wont finish for a few extra weeks.
 
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I don't know anything about indoor and lights;
but if you experiment with this,
you should consider syncing up with the real moon cycle--
The (gravitational) Force is strong in this one...
 
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Desertboy

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It's all about the phytochromes it's complicated there a thread on it in the advanced section but the short version is phytochrome control flowering it exists in 2 states

Prf which is when it has absorbed "Daylight" and Pr which phytochrome decays to in the absence of light Prf=plant awake/daytime pr=nigh time/asleep it is not a binary switch but a balance when the ratio of prf:pr is high enough (say 20:80) then the plant will go flower.

This is why plants can go flower outdoors even in low light conditions such as moon, etc. When grown indoors there is no ambient light so the prf:pr conversion is 0:100 after 2hours (Phytochrome decay rate) this is an unnatural state never seen outdoors it's my firm belief this is the primary cause of hermies indoors the plants are oversensitive to low light levels because the ratios are pr biased.

This is a gross simplification of what's going on.

Looking at that light I think totally pointless and totally useless.
 
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Weed from a light-dep looks like indoor because of the lack of moonlight. You won't see any improvements in your plants or the way they grow. Best case scenario they will be twice as leafy and wont finish for a few extra weeks.
I thought the fact that an Indoor light went from full blast to off vs the suns rays reducing light throughout the day was the difference in indoor vs outdoor density. Although I've gotten OD that was harder than rock and put a lot of indoor to shame.
 
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I thought the fact that an Indoor light went from full blast to off vs the suns rays reducing light throughout the day was the difference in indoor vs outdoor density. Although I've gotten OD that was harder than rock and put a lot of indoor to shame.

this control unit also has a fade in sunrise sunset mechanism....im assuming from all that i have read, that would be pretty useless too?
 
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This is why plants can go flower outdoors even in low light conditions such as moon, etc. When grown indoors there is no ambient light so the prf:pr conversion is 0:100 after 2hours (Phytochrome decay rate) this is an unnatural state never seen outdoors it's my firm belief this is the primary cause of hermies indoors the plants are oversensitive to low light levels because the ratios are pr biased.

This is a gross simplification of what's going on.

Looking at that light I think totally pointless and totally useless.


im a little confused... why do you believe hermies happen indoor? because of the absence PR during the night time becomes 0 after 2 hours and then the ratios are no longer balanced? and if this is the case wouldn't that imply this controller is very useful and point...full....
 
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I don't know anything about indoor and lights;
but if you experiment with this,
you should consider syncing up with the real moon cycle--
The (gravitational) Force is strong in this one...
This is the very reason I try so hard to follow the true sun cycle if possible never did a side by side

I like these threads
 
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Ive grown plenty of plants inside and out and lest likely to hermaphrodite outside.....ive grown plants that hermeid everytime inside but outside just fine just from my experience though I wouldnt be to surprised if this changes in the future but so far that's my two cents on that part.
 
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im a little confused... why do you believe hermies happen indoor? because of the absence PR during the night time becomes 0 after 2 hours and then the ratios are no longer balanced? and if this is the case wouldn't that imply this controller is very useful and point...full....

Only useful if you cannot create a totally dark room, even then far red lamps would be better see the phytochrome thread Far Red causes the Pfr to Pr transition instantly. Pfr is phytochrome in FR absorbing form hence the fr in Prf, Pr is red light. I believe it's not constant light leaks as much as intermittent light leaks.
Pchromespecs

Pr Wakes the plant up, Prf puts it to sleep you can see the overlapping absorption evening in veg mode plants have a high percentage of phytochrome in Pr state.
Remember when you give the plant light at the peak Pr Absorption (660nm) rate the phytchromes are changed to Prf form and vice versa (740NM) so those peaks correlate to ratios oF phytochromes in various states if giving that nm of lighting.

because prf to pr ratio is 0:100 in a grow tent environment (After 2 hours) the plant gets used to the lower ratios and the trigger needed is very small and an intermittent light leak or one than occurs once in flower (hole in tent, zips getting snagged, etc.) is enough to trigger.

With an outdoor environment the ratio is much higher when the plant goes into flower and it's not as sensitive to low level light.

I've got a few test grows planned unfortunately I just got GTA V and I just can't be arsed to do anything but shoot cops and run over hookers.
 
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Here is a spectrum chart of the moon. Take a guess what spectrum's make it back to earth.. Moon light is the SUN's reflection, Just 400,000 times dimmer.

The moon cycles are very important to the plant night time speed and ripening and seed germination for that mater..

Yes incorporating the moons cycles into you indoor garden is quite useful.

You just have to know what spectrum's are coming off the moons reflection and making it back to earth and what effects it has on plants.. I think moon light peaks at approx 730 ish

Here's a hint.. It's not blue light.

Moon spectrum chart bigger
 
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What happens with the gravity part? Aren't there nocturnal reptiles that need artificial moonlight when artificially raised I wonder if the gravity part effects them and how that might help us indoor growers ....

Dognova what's up with some more input like. Can you or do you replicate the sugar transport part that happens outdoor with moon but usually not indoor with no moon
 
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99% of the light that makes it back to earth from the moons reflection is 730/740nm. That spectrum to the plant makes it's internal clock run faster.

Depending on the moons phase.. The night time spectrum outdoors is runing faster then indoor darkness. Outdoors at night has far red 730/740 present.

On nights when there is a full moon for example, the far red saturation is at it's highest level making the plants internal clock run fast. Then the cycle starts over until another full moon is reached approx every 29 days or so.

Then comes along these two moon cycles.. Whats called "The harvest Moon" and the "Hunters Moon" cycles. If you look at those two VERY distinct moon cycles.. They tell the rest of the far red 730/740 story. The harvest moon ripens up our food source and our favorite girls like to ripen up just around the Hunters moon cycle (mid OCT in the northern hemisphere).

Here is a link that talks about the Hunters and Harvest moons cycles. These two moon cycles are very important in the ripping process.

Harvest and Hunter's moons



A harvest moon
"Harvest Moon" and "Hunter's Moon" are traditional terms for the full moons occurring in autumn, usually in September and October, respectively. The "Harvest Moon" is the full moon closest to autumnal equinox, and the "Hunter's Moon" is the one following it. The names are recorded from the early 18th century. OED for "Harvest Moon" cites a 1706 reference, and for "Hunter's Moon" a 1710 edition of The British Apollo , where the term is attributed to "the country people" (The Country People call this the Hunters-Moon.) The names became traditional in American folklore, where they are now often popularly attributed to "the Native Americans". The Feast of the Hunters' Moon is a yearly festival in Lafayette, Indiana, held in late September or early October each year since 1968. In 2010, the Harvest moon occurred on the night of equinox itself (some 5½ hours after the point of equinox) for the first time since 1991.

All full moons rise around the time of sunset. Because the moon orbits the earth in the same direction the earth is rotating, the moon rises later each day – on average about 50.47 minutes later each day [11] The Harvest Moon and Hunter's Moon are unique because the time difference between moonrises on successive evenings is much shorter than average. The moon rises approximately 30 minutes later from one night to the next, as seen from about 40 degrees N or S latitude. Thus, there is no long period of darkness between sunset and moonrise for several days following the actual date of the full moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_moon

Another link about the harvest moon cycle.
http://earthsky.org/space/harvest-moon-2
 
caveman4.20

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The indoor growing world is not ready for this lets keep this to ourselves ya ;)
This is right there with plants talking to eachother and smelling eachother and needing eachother ....I love it .....this reminds of plants competing and only performing there full potential when companion grown with certain other plants present
I really appreciate you sharing I really want tonlearn how to incorporate this new to me knowledge to gas lantern vegging and diminishing light flowering schedules....
 
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