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Texas Kid said:
Danger, danger, danger Will Robinson...Please believe me, I am just trying to look out for you and your new venture but the more I read, the more it seems like you are running as fast as you can the wrong direction....at this point you can not afford to kind of feel your way through and run a hobby style torture chamber for your plants..imo you would be better off scaling back and dialing in a much smaller lab style grow spaces with much tighter protocols in place..one dog hair, miller moth, june bug or PM in your finished product when state testing goes into effect and your done..this is your business now, your future and alot around you, as well as you are providing true medicine to the masses with your name and reputation on the line and I think your slightly hap hazard approach is going to bite you square in the ass at some point. Then what do you tell all the people that quit there jobs to come be apart of it or god forbid a patient/customer get sick or have a reaction to some of your lax approaches and protocols. Cleanliness and good growing practices are free, no equipment to buy. Again please believe that I am just looking out and want the best for you and yours in this brave new frontier but some of what I read really scares me..
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piehole said:
Why does it matter if its rec weed or medical? Shouldn't the quality be the same regardless of who ends up smoking it?
I would do what works for your situation, and if leaving the door open works then roll with it. Just treat it like an outdoor grow, maybe buy some bulk ladybugs and release them on your plants on a regular basis. So many different opinions given in this thread, you have done a good job of sifting through them while keeping with what you know. Very cool thread inthegorge
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Different standards for different folks.. Different goals aswell...as far as expert advice I'm an expert on growing hermies and low yields and inthe gorge is on the way to both ....
 
inthegorge

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Oh my goodness:-) I am not growing for any medical market first and foremost. We are part of the recreational market here, I was the 10th legal license granted in the state because I can jump through all the hoops that have been put in front of us and I have helped countless others to do the same, taking valuable time and energy for no personal return at all, just to be a part of the solution as I see it. I have mentioned that repeatedly. Here in WA state you can find a medical dispensary on any corner and guess what....they are not even required to test their products at all. I however am and will be testing every single strain for potency, contaminants, mold, disease, pests, etc. by state approved labs with the most current testing protocols available. I have to include that report with the sale of each and every one of our products so the consumer can see exactly what they are getting. How many medical providers do you know that do that? I have smoked marijuana every day of my life for 31 years. Never have I smoked any weed that was laboratory tested for anything. Never have I smoked any weed that had any sort of quality control or been regulated in any manner. By your accounts I should probably be dead I guess?

This thread is not for my information to look back on or to be schooled by any of you. This is to show how the process of legalization is working here in WA state for our little tiny company PERIOD! Because I let the sunshine on my plants they will be inferior? Because I have a dog that follows in my footsteps they will be inferior? Get freaking real here people! I am not cutting corners. I am dealing with what we have in the best growing practices that I can manage. I am not trying to tell you how to grow caveman, Mr. Kid or any other swinging dick here. I am simply reporting how we are doing it. I do not frankly give 2 cents about your opinion of my grow, of my abilities, of the quality of my weed, of whether I will fail, succeed or anywhere in between. Please do not read my thread if you are worried I will poison someone with a dog hair. I will continue to post for anyone that cares about how it goes down here and I will learn from my mistakes and my successes what works for us in our particular position and situation just like anyone else here. Every single strain will be quality tested for every 5 lbs of product. My "lax" growing methods will be put to the test then, not by you naysayers who have your own particular way of doing things with the resources you have at your disposal. I do not see anything lax about anything we are doing. We have lovely healthy plants grown as organically as we possibly can. I sure as hell am not running any sort of torture chamber for my plants and their obvious health is all the proof I need. I get it you do it a different way. Who gives a shit? Not me:-) I bet at the end of my road I will have a quality product that sells for a reasonable price and that is what my goal is, not to impress anyone on this board. We are not that impressive, I have no illusions to that. But what we do have is the ability to do this in the full light of day and that is exactly what I am doing with my doors open wide to the future of this industry and what I might be able to accomplish in it and it makes me smile a big shit eating grin that can't be wiped off by your warnings. I just got done doing a 3 hour interview with the associated press for a story that will be run on public radio here in WA and OR. They will be coming back after harvest to see how we are doing and that will be public knowledge as well. I am trying to be as transparent as possible. I do not have anything to hide and if I fall flat on my face it is nothing to anyone here. I personally do not think that will be the case however and for me everything is coming along just fine:-) Here is another photo of one of my horrendously poisonous plants:-)
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Train Wreck day 40 of flowering - Watch out...she might infect you just looking at the photo:-)
 
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piehole said:
Why does it matter if its rec weed or medical? Shouldn't the quality be the same regardless of who ends up smoking it?
I would do what works for your situation, and if leaving the door open works then roll with it. Just treat it like an outdoor grow, maybe buy some bulk ladybugs and release them on your plants on a regular basis. So many different opinions given in this thread, you have done a good job of sifting through them while keeping with what you know. Very cool thread inthegorge
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We do have ladybugs Mr. Hole....lots and lots of them and they seem just as happy as the plants:-)
 
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inthegorge said:
Oh my goodness:) I am not growing for any medical market first and foremost. We are part of the recreational market here, I was the 10th legal license granted in the state because I can jump through all the hoops that have been put in front of us and I have helped countless others to do the same, taking valuable time and energy for no personal return at all, just to be a part of the solution as I see it. I have mentioned that repeatedly. Here in WA state you can find a medical dispensary on any corner and guess what....they are not even required to test their products at all. I however am and will be testing every single strain for potency, contaminants, mold, disease, pests, etc. by state approved labs with the most current testing protocols available. I have to include that report with the sale of each and every one of our products so the consumer can see exactly what they are getting. How many medical providers do you know that do that? I have smoked marijuana every day of my life for 31 years. Never have I smoked any weed that was laboratory tested for anything. Never have I smoked any weed that had any sort of quality control or been regulated in any manner. By your accounts I should probably be dead I guess?

This thread is not for my information to look back on or to be schooled by any of you. This is to show how the process of legalization is working here in WA state for our little tiny company PERIOD! Because I let the sunshine on my plants they will be inferior? Because I have a dog that follows in my footsteps they will be inferior? Get freaking real here people! I am not cutting corners. I am dealing with what we have in the best growing practices that I can manage. I am not trying to tell you how to grow caveman, Mr. Kid or any other swinging dick here. I am simply reporting how we are doing it. I do not frankly give 2 cents about your opinion of my grow, of my abilities, of the quality of my weed, of whether I will fail, succeed or anywhere in between. Please do not read my thread if you are worried I will poison someone with a dog hair. I will continue to post for anyone that cares about how it goes down here and I will learn from my mistakes and my successes what works for us in our particular position and situation just like anyone else here. Every single strain will be quality tested for every 5 lbs of product. My "lax" growing methods will be put to the test then, not by you naysayers who have your own particular way of doing things with the resources you have at your disposal. I do not see anything lax about anything we are doing. We have lovely healthy plants grown as organically as we possibly can. I sure as hell am not running any sort of torture chamber for my plants and their obvious health is all the proof I need. I get it you do it a different way. Who gives a shit? Not me:) I bet at the end of my road I will have a quality product that sells for a reasonable price and that is what my goal is, not to impress anyone on this board. We are not that impressive, I have no illusions to that. But what we do have is the ability to do this in the full light of day and that is exactly what I am doing with my doors open wide to the future of this industry and what I might be able to accomplish in it and it makes me smile a big shit eating grin that can't be wiped off by your warnings. I just got done doing a 3 hour interview with the associated press for a story that will be run on public radio here in WA and OR. They will be coming back after harvest to see how we are doing and that will be public knowledge as well. I am trying to be as transparent as possible. I do not have anything to hide and if I fall flat on my face it is nothing to anyone here. I personally do not think that will be the case however and for me everything is coming along just fine:) Here is another photo of one of my horrendously poisonous plants:)
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Train Wreck day 40 of flowering - Watch out...she might infect you just looking at the photo:)
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Excellent Post! :woot:
Beautiful Train Wreck flower too!
Thanks again for being here!
 
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I got to admit that your living a dream of mine and I'm using your experience to remind myself if I ever get the opportunity to ,never, let so many mistakes happen in the grow or treatment of the plants unless I'm testing for hardiness or resiliency of the plants which would be a great test. I usually try to be positive and I'm not a big fan of negativity but reality is also important and I am taking advantage of your thread to remind myself of the times I've made the mistakes your making now...
Theres a hormone in a nutrient called bloom ultra ....if you get a lot of hermies I would get familiar with it as a preventive measure for next time and bugs you should go with avid it's a strong one that works to kill bugs the pm I can't recommend anything cuz surprisingly I've never dealt with it ....
I can't wait to learn from your experience with lab testing and customer feedback thanks for sharing!
 
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Thanks Ken:-) I appreciate so many of your posts but never really say much on other threads (since I really do not feel that welcome on this board) even though I read almost everything you post. Thank you for that info caveman...you never know when it might come in handy. So far...knock on wood....no hermies here and definitely no powdery mildew although I am told stylet oil is the bomb for that but again I have no experience with the problem or the supposed cure personally so don't construe that as advice on my part. I think this has got to be a dream for most people that love this plant, to be able to grow it openly, to be able to tell everyone that asks exactly what you are doing, to be able to focus on what each one of us decides is the best way to do it instead of worrying so much about covering up the smell, the electrical use, the money you make from it and just about everything else we have to do to keep from going to jail for just growing a plant! I wish everyone could be in my shoes...hopefully in the near future it will be a reality for all of us and that is my ultimate goal. For the record, I don't just pull this stuff out of thin air...I do have friends and people that I use as quasi advisers that are experienced with years of collective knowledge about growing this amazing plant albeit on a much smaller scale because this sort of growing operation has been illegal everywhere else in the world. I ask them for their opinions often however, running my ideas past them and getting as much solid information as possible from them, from message boards where I have connected with a few growers that are excited by the possibilities and happy to share their own personal experiences, although none here that I can call a friend or someone I would run to for advice, and from a large array of books on marijuana growing that I have collected before I do anything at all with our plants. Still through it all it is ultimately my responsibility, I make the final decisions on what we do and I am willing to have that fall on my shoulders. Our first goal was a viable first crop. I believe we have achieved that but final word will come with the laboratory testing which will happen as soon as the crop we have now is dried and somewhat cured. I can tell you right now however I would be more than happy to smoke any one of our lovingly grown strains over most of what I have been able to secure on the open black market over the past few years and you can be sure that I plan on doing so pretty damned soon! I hope I have purchased the last bag I will ever have to pay for unless I see something on the legal market that is so kick ass I cannot help myself:-) Then on to the second crop and for that we will draw on the experience and limited expertise we have, as well as the advice of trusted friends and growers and hope for even better quality, yield and end results over and over and over again:-) I am looking forward to networking with the other licensed growers here as well to see what works for them and what failures they have experienced. Perhaps someday I will have techniques and processes to report that will blow you all away with how effective they are....who knows....anything is possible if your mind and eyes are open to learn which mine always are!
 
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I think your doing great too @inthegorge ! Flying by the seat of your pants but in an organized manner. :D I know it's hard to except some of the criticism but I know Texas Kid and others are just sharing experience. You'll find out sooner or later what comes with this growing job. The real test will be to overcome these obstacles. Catching things in their infancy and correcting before it takes over your grow. Again I think your kicking ass, this first crop will be monumental!
 
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Wow, very ambitious project. I read the first post and thought it was a joke,, Then I read on .. I couldnt imagine trying to keep all those plants healthy. wish I was allowed to go that big in co. I have the startup $ and some construction/grow experience but I am barred from being anything but a caregiver.. :(

Good luck to ya..
 
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inthegorge said:
Oh my goodness:) I am not growing for any medical market first and foremost. We are part of the recreational market here, I was the 10th legal license granted in the state because I can jump through all the hoops that have been put in front of us and I have helped countless others to do the same, taking valuable time and energy for no personal return at all, just to be a part of the solution as I see it. I have mentioned that repeatedly. Here in WA state you can find a medical dispensary on any corner and guess what....they are not even required to test their products at all. I however am and will be testing every single strain for potency, contaminants, mold, disease, pests, etc. by state approved labs with the most current testing protocols available. I have to include that report with the sale of each and every one of our products so the consumer can see exactly what they are getting. How many medical providers do you know that do that? I have smoked marijuana every day of my life for 31 years. Never have I smoked any weed that was laboratory tested for anything. Never have I smoked any weed that had any sort of quality control or been regulated in any manner. By your accounts I should probably be dead I guess?

This thread is not for my information to look back on or to be schooled by any of you. This is to show how the process of legalization is working here in WA state for our little tiny company PERIOD! Because I let the sunshine on my plants they will be inferior? Because I have a dog that follows in my footsteps they will be inferior? Get freaking real here people! I am not cutting corners. I am dealing with what we have in the best growing practices that I can manage. I am not trying to tell you how to grow caveman, Mr. Kid or any other swinging dick here. I am simply reporting how we are doing it. I do not frankly give 2 cents about your opinion of my grow, of my abilities, of the quality of my weed, of whether I will fail, succeed or anywhere in between. Please do not read my thread if you are worried I will poison someone with a dog hair. I will continue to post for anyone that cares about how it goes down here and I will learn from my mistakes and my successes what works for us in our particular position and situation just like anyone else here. Every single strain will be quality tested for every 5 lbs of product. My "lax" growing methods will be put to the test then, not by you naysayers who have your own particular way of doing things with the resources you have at your disposal. I do not see anything lax about anything we are doing. We have lovely healthy plants grown as organically as we possibly can. I sure as hell am not running any sort of torture chamber for my plants and their obvious health is all the proof I need. I get it you do it a different way. Who gives a shit? Not me:) I bet at the end of my road I will have a quality product that sells for a reasonable price and that is what my goal is, not to impress anyone on this board. We are not that impressive, I have no illusions to that. But what we do have is the ability to do this in the full light of day and that is exactly what I am doing with my doors open wide to the future of this industry and what I might be able to accomplish in it and it makes me smile a big shit eating grin that can't be wiped off by your warnings. I just got done doing a 3 hour interview with the associated press for a story that will be run on public radio here in WA and OR. They will be coming back after harvest to see how we are doing and that will be public knowledge as well. I am trying to be as transparent as possible. I do not have anything to hide and if I fall flat on my face it is nothing to anyone here. I personally do not think that will be the case however and for me everything is coming along just fine:) Here is another photo of one of my horrendously poisonous plants:)
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Train Wreck day 40 of flowering - Watch out...she might infect you just looking at the photo:)
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Bam! :D
 
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Are you hand trimming or gonna use machines? Keep in mind how much work load harvest will be and all the other work that still needs to be done, it can get overwhelming with a big harvest...wish you the best on your quasi legal first harvy!
 
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The day I have been waiting for is finally here....milky white trichomes on 22 of our strains.....beginning harvest tonight when the lights go on!!!!! Hand trimming all the way at least for now. Our crop is not so large this time that it would be prohibitive and since it is our first harvest we have people lined up that want to help:) Our outdoor crop will maybe be a different story if we get the yields we are hoping for but that is 4 months in our future so much to accomplish before then. Everyone here at W.O.W. Weed feels like a kid on Christmas Eve!!!! 6:00 PM will be hard to wait for today:-)
 
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So sorry, you totally took what I said in a different light than it was intended, I was just trying to help get you ahead of the curve of where your state regulated industry will more than likely be headed. We went thruogh a very painful and expensive curve out here and was truely just looking out..sorry for that, wasn't mean spirited or anything like that, again I apologize..won't happen again..keep doing what works for you
 
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It is hard to judge the intention of people typing on a message board, no physical hints or way to read a persons body language and if I misread your intent I apologize. I understand that there are best standards to growing, really I do. I am trying to consider that always in what we are doing here. This is a giant learning curve for myself and my partners to be sure. Please understand however that there is nothing lax about how we do anything really. We spend agonizing hours on the simplest decisions and are just trying to do the best we can with the tools at hand. In our future we will have good environmental controls as soon as we possibly can. We can't just shut our doors and wait for that however and need to move forward as best we can in the meantime. The last thing in the world I want to do is put out an inferior product, or even worse a dangerous product, and that is the absolute truth. I am not in this just for money, I am in this for true legalization, for my love of this incredible plant and to live part of my dream of growing it to the best of my ability. I hope for great things to come in our future and I am doing everything I possibly can to ensure that we do have a future in this budding (sorry for the pun) industry. I know you have mad skills Mr. Kid...I read your posts...I have taken much of what you post in other threads into consideration...and someday I hope to have even close to the same level of ability in this field as you do. I am just a newb really and I know that better than anyone else here:-) I am doing my best right now though and for me even though I am of course striving for better, it just has to be enough right now, to allow me to at least enjoy all these days that I am working so hard.....to be able to get up with not enough sleep each morning.....pushing myself past my comfort zone...... and go for it again and again and again...... and to help keep everyone's else in our company upbeat and positive in the process. So far so good and that is all I manage for today. Not to say I don't worry about tomorrow or plan for any possible tragedy but for today life is good and I am going to focus on that for at least a few moments and drink in all the happiness that brings to me:-) Sticky fingers tonight for everyone at W.O.W. Weed!!!!!!
 
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