Seriously Over This =[

gliders420 said:

or should i just give up the hobby? i dont understand anymore and im losing faith, heres why :

Im trying to get sick plants back to health in coco, using organic teas and using cal mag as a foliar. was working great for a week or two, till today i walk in and EVERYTHING IS DROOPY. not only that, it didnt make a full recovery, so this cant be good
Seemed like the coco was dry so i water with tea, 10+hours later still droopy. like its gonna die from over watering, but the tops are still erect, well see what the tops do tomorrow. its like a plague or something, i even got caterpillars indoors, i thought that wasn't even possible. i thought coco was forgiving and good for beginners? that seems like total crap. the inert-ness of coco requires a lot of frets it seems, and i haven't been able to get plants looking good after being sick, which means it isn't very forgiving.

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Dude is in a serious battle with nature right now. My little "Taoist" quote (not the best but I think we all can take something from it) was meant to show him he can't control everything.
We aren't 3d printing the stuff, we as "humans" put to much faith in our CONTROL of something. You can do everything right and something can go horribly wrong, Nature will always win. And she really kicks your ass indoors ! @LittleDabbie. This community is awesome and everyone here will help you, you just have to ask.

It's all about experience. Find a base , some way you grow consistently, then evolve. Now you are learning from your mistakes, and know what effect things MAY have on your plants.
I like cocoa because it's sterile and I can control how much and when I feed (something I've learned over time). Soil is water and go, but has a lot of indoor cons. And All "bomb" salt nutrients are a con to nature.

We are here to be stewards to learn and work with nature, and to do that you need to listen to your plants.
Stay calm, if you don't like the challenges of growing....hire a consultant ;) we will teach you how. or do it for you.

Now what's the enviornmentals of your grow, temp, rh? what have you fed them for the last two weeks and how often, what type of water are you using , how often, how are you watering? ....

dont give up! What you fail in only makes you stronger and better

kolah said:

I like to think that growing is "working" with Nature. Not so much battling her...although it sometimes feels that way.

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exactly...I know you knew what I was talking about.

The trolls and disinformation runs rampant online. Genetics selection is key along with keeping it simple.
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In other words, grab some premium soil and high grade compost and nothing else will ever matter . Ignore everything you ever read and just water the soil and treat it with care like any other plant. All will be one in due time and everything else will be irrelevant.

If a seed can grow just about anywhere it will grow best where its intended to grow..It is all about the living ecosystem in the soil and as long as you keep it optimally moistened the microbes will do all the work as nature intended.

Problem with most everything online and in books is the variable factors that one must use to format their own method and approach. You ll find that the paradigm is often out of context once you understand the variables that all come into play.....Best again to stay with the KISS initially

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Ohh yeah, growing indoors, especially in a closet or a tent is a pain in the ass.
It is easier in the winter I think though because there are less pests and it's cooler.
I joined the farm and started reading 3 years ago this week, same day I brought my 1st clones home
learned it all here

The OP said he foliar sprayed and the next day they were drooping
bio war foliar makes plants pray the next day
so,

someone mentioned getting top notch genetics...and yeah that is a huge factor as well.

kolah said:

someone mentioned getting top notch genetics...and yeah that is a huge factor as well.

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absolutely! Genetics like sour bubble from bog R resistant to pests and mold
that helps a lot!
and some crosses are just easier to grow than others

I'd do as simple as possible like suggested earlier in the thread.

I use roots organic soil (original formula). Lots of other brands arnt consistent and some run to hot like foxfarm ocean forest.

Pick a easy nute line. Maybe a 3 part of even a simple base nute for the first run. Feed at the lower or medium levels. Make sure not to over water or under water.

Check your water source your using to make sure it's not to hot to be using. If so then get an RO filter or buy your water from a store that has RO filtered water or fill water jugs at a friends house.

Make sure yoy have decent air flow so thing is stagnate and put the light a decent distance from the plants to ensure you don't burn them.

After you knock out your first chop add or change one thing each time and tune in how your grow operates.

I'm not the smartest out there or the most technical grower but iv seemed to manage good medicine for the patients of mine. I feel you will too without a doubt.

Often one can get things in there head and that negative vibe transfers to your garden and makes you wanna give up

Stay in there and you have a large support group of people who are more then willing to help if you take pics and keep us up to date on what you got going on.

I'll make sure things stay on track in the thread and no negative nonsense goes down.

Best of luck on getting things on track. All of us who have been doing this long enough know that feeling of not having grows in order so we feel for ya man. Cheer up, get that vibe up and yoy will see possitive results I promise you

Skunkmasterflex said:

I'd do as simple as possible like suggested earlier in the thread.

I use roots organic soil (original formula). Lots of other brands arnt consistent and some run to hot like foxfarm ocean forest.

Pick a easy nute line. Maybe a 3 part of even a simple base nute for the first run. Feed at the lower or medium levels. Make sure not to over water or under water.

Check your water source your using to make sure it's not to hot to be using. If so then get an RO filter or buy your water from a store that has RO filtered water or fill water jugs at a friends house.

Make sure yoy have decent air flow so thing is stagnate and put the light a decent distance from the plants to ensure you don't burn them.

After you knock out your first chop add or change one thing each time and tune in how your grow operates.

I'm not the smartest out there or the most technical grower but iv seemed to manage good medicine for the patients of mine. I feel you will too without a doubt.

Often one can get things in there head and that negative vibe transfers to your garden and makes you wanna give up

Stay in there and you have a large support group of people who are more then willing to help if you take pics and keep us up to date on what you got going on.

I'll make sure things stay on track in the thread and no negative nonsense goes down.

Best of luck on getting things on track. All of us who have been doing this long enough know that feeling of not having grows in order so we feel for ya man. Cheer up, get that vibe up and yoy will see possitive results I promise you

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@Skunkmasterflex ya I'd say ur just getting by. Lol. Ur a monster brother! Just sayin.lol

Well majority has is time to go back to basics Brotha.
Ive seen this happen with new growers time and time again.
They start with hydro and get in iver there head. You may have harvested but by being a slave to the bottle. :mad:
when this is the case there is usually so ething bound to go wrong some where some how, and without the XP to be able to correct ASAP well this kinda stuff happens.

dont get me wrong some people killed it and are killin it now with the hydro setup they first started with, and some people growing is just a natural thing for them. Some not so much, but we are all human," and as long as we are willing to apply ourselves and not LIE to ourselves by being lazy". Then we are all able to grow quality medicine, food, trees, all we want.

You really do have it all here my friend and please dont take any of this the wrong way:rolleyes: all good vibes your way brotha. like @Seamaiden said stick with what you know if you dont want to go back to dirt. Really think about how good your harvests were from that first run? Why did you change? What were you in search of? Cause imo there is nothing like soil grown, terpine rich cannabis that has any and all trace minerals avaliable to it at it disposal at all times during its life . But hey thats just me a a couple hundred people:)


If your in it just to win it then well, BOL ! I hope some thing works bro.

Happy farmin;)

P.s. you cant quit now to many good thing being spit just here in this little thread. Imagine the possibilities throughout the entire site. :cool:

straincreation said:

Well majority has is time to go back to basics Brotha.
Ive seen this happen with new growers time and time again.
They start with hydro and get in iver there head. You may have harvested but by being a slave to the bottle. :mad:
when this is the case there is usually so ething bound to go wrong some where some how, and without the XP to be able to correct ASAP well this kinda stuff happens.

dont get me wrong some people killed it and are killin it now with the hydro setup they first started with, and some people growing is just a natural thing for them. Some not so much, but we are all human," and as long as we are willing to apply ourselves and not LIE to ourselves by being lazy". Then we are all able to grow quality medicine, food, trees, all we want.

You really do have it all here my friend and please dont take any of this the wrong way:rolleyes: all good vibes your way brotha. like @Seamaiden said stick with what you know if you dont want to go back to dirt. Really think about how good your harvests were from that first run? Why did you change? What were you in search of? Cause imo there is nothing like soil grown, terpine rich cannabis that has any and all trace minerals avaliable to it at it disposal at all times during its life . But hey thats just me a a couple hundred people:)


If your in it just to win it then well, BOL ! I hope some thing works bro.

Happy farmin;)

P.s. you cant quit now to many good thing being spit just here in this little thread. Imagine the possibilities throughout the entire site. :cool:

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Well put as always bro!

I fuck up way more than I get right. Keep trying and go back to basics.

I have been trying to understand feeding and teas and decided to do baby steps until I can get that right.
When I get feeding down and plants healthy, then I want to start running CAPs BIOWAR products to improve the bud yields/quality.


With some help of a few great guys on here this is what I am currently feeding them:

Veg Food (use all waterings)

1/2 Cap ful FoxFarm Gorw Big per 1 Gallon room temp water.
For soil I use plain ProMix with nothing added.


Flower Food:

4 Gallons of room Temp Tap Water
-12 Grams Jacks Hydro, 5/12/26
-8 Grams Jacks Cal Nite
-4 Grams Epson Salt
-6 TBLS Bat Guano.

Mix the shit out of it and dump 2-3 dixie cups full on each plant. Feeding about 2x a week and one just water in between.

For soil I use ProMix and add 1 Dixie cup of Worm Castings and about 1/3 dixie cup of Bat Guano. Don't know if it helps, but I figure why the hell not. :)


So many ways to do this shit and no one way seems to be the only path.

Good luck!

dude these are awesome replys i really, really appreciate it!
and definitely feel better about my situation! none of this is taken the wrong way or personally as i know it has to be some sort of user error on my part.

im sorry i posted and disappeared, i just started a new job AND college again after tens years out of school, i have a lot on my hands =] taking plant science courses and its pretty exciting.

I need to take more pictures for you guys. i have some close ups of some leaves and other spots to show deficiencies....



they eventually did perk up a bit, but its weird... some perked up more than others, like half of my favorite plant is droopy, so im happy, but my main mother, my prized platinum cookies still looks badddd. i dont believe they were dry to long, and usually if they are, they perk up after a couple hours... so this was weird to see them droopy for a day and a half.
I transplanted the gsc mom,from 5 gallon bucket to a 10(? could be 18) gallon tub, only till she's healthy so i can take cuts. she wasn't totally root bound, but roots weren't super healthy on the outside. like half the coco broke off and i lost some roots (doesn't seem to be an issue yet as its been a couple days and part of the plant is perky) but could see a lot of new pearly whites coming in.

and i seriously dont understand how you can water every day and get good results, thats like going against the grain of plant care...
I definitely saw more results by lifting the pots and feeling the weight to see when i should water... as opposed to watering everyday. so this is one thing im confused about, and believe this could very well possibly be trolling. im open minded to the fact that it isn't, but my own experience speaks differently.

also, i was doing the maxi bloom method of kiss, with calmag, and again just simply logic after seeing my plants told me thats not ok either, its a flowering nutrient, not a veg...

and third! =p
im seeing better results from the teas and foliar calmag than i had before! a lot more green new growth instead of my hideous red stems. so im quite surprised to see that some one mentioned teas aren't enough to feed in coco.

my real concern is that its an active, organic based brew that could turn sour in the medium. a guy at one of my hydro shops was trying to tell me that the teas can only be in coco of a day before problems arise and then you need to flush it out. to be honest it sounded like bs to me so i ignored it, but i always wonder the truth behind the words.

I brew whole alfalfa(not chopped, not meal, not granules or whatever other form, i got it at pets mart =p) for about three days(i read it takes 3 to 5 days for it to be good), i then add a little kelp and ewc with caps bennies and molasses, sometimes fish emulsion. ill then brew it for another 18-48 hours and than foliar with that and feed with that.

room temps are 70-85 in the day, and 60-70 at night, rh is usually 50-60 but ive seen it up to 70 after watering/foliar feeding. no co2, and only feed teas at this point.


used the go box, wasn't satisfied, again could be my fault...
would bubbling the general organics be a bad idea? whats your guys take on the cal mag nute they have? worth it? or should i stick with a synthetic version..?

i have so many chems/salts i haven't even used =[[[[


I have some pretty great genetics, i got a small "ok" harvest from them so i do know first hand, Some delicious platinum cookies, and quite possibly my new favorite, "pre91" Chemdog.
ive also seen growers better than me flower these exact genes and all i can say is WOW.


those soil grows that i did well with were years ago,
there was a 2-3 year hiatus where i had no plants and just read stuff alllll over the internet and talked to different growers, ultimately deciding bigtokes bio buckets at ic mag was my method of preference (the allure of simplicity, not having to ph, and ridiculous yields was what i was after) which didnt go well for me,(guess i wasn't ready =p) and im still hoping to try something like that again in the future, so i decided to try coco as its described as being very good for beginners and somewhat forgiving, avoiding dirt because "pests come with dirt" but thats obviously not an issue isolated to soil. ive read all kinds of people getting pest from new bricks of coco.

i will be honest with you guys, cuz i do really want help. i do feel i could dedicate more time to the grow room. sometimes i feel kinda lazy. sometimes the room could be a bit cleaner too. but im trying not to play with them too much so that i dont mess them up. trying to keep it simple, as my complicated hydro really made me wanna simplify the process. i do check in on them everyday tho, seeing how wet/dry they are, and i foliar calmag 5-7 times a week

Im really starting to see why fully organic soil is the way to go after all of this, but to be honest i can't invest in any dirt or amendments right now other than what i have, so i need to keep up the coco for a bit longer. =[


its really good to hear the happy frog is good enough just to give water for a short period of time, its what i want to go for when i can. but i was planning on cooking a super soil like mix, ive read across the net that subcools mix is only "ok" so i plan on doing something different, or maybe not at all since i wanna stay simple ;]


i reallllyyy feel like im forgetting to explain something here... ill post pics off my phone a little later i need to eat lol

:/

IMO it looks to be be over-watering and too many nutes maybe try use only half strength nutes. Also what type of light are you using and what's the height?

Well it isn't over watering. I'm positive of that. If you read my post they were actually dry...

I have a 400 watt hung vertical. I'm only using organic tea too, so I should dilute the tea?

Hi, great you transplanted to bigger containers, that was smart. Are you manually rotating your plants 180 degrees every day so each side of plant gets light? Were the plants perfectly healthy when they were smaller? When did problems start? Cut off all your bad Discolored yellow leaves. How old is your bulb? How many plants do u have? Two? One looks gigantic!!!!! You're doing much better than I ever was when starting! Stay positive and your plants will appreciate it. Clean the place up while you wait for them to fully recover. :)