Trucker
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Thanks @indicabush I will check it out.
SwizzleStix
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Gets some clones -200 for 12 id even recommend t5's. I firmly believe 1 actual watt of led is the same as 1 watt from an hps just less heat but you'll get the same bill. I run two actual watt 300w 3w leds total of 600watts of leds plus a 600w hortalux hps for a 5x5 it cost me about 1500 for ventilation a tent this and that you'll nickel and dime yourself to death in between the big purchases.
SwizzleStix
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The actual wattage of the led panel is what you should go by. Not the Apollo 1200 it's not 1200 watts and it's not replacing 1200 watts worth of hps lighting either.
Trucker
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Thanks for the info @SwizzleStix
PhatNuggz
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sorry, but saying leds are a complete waste of money is an ignorant statement. Yes, there is a lot of worthless junk out there, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This plant was grown under one Amare Technologies SE 220 in a 33 x 33 space. It has been replaced with the SE 250, which handles 4 x 4. The bud next to the cell phone was 30"+ below the light and up against the tent side, well out of the sweet spot.
north knect
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Here's what I have under 2 300 watt mars LEDs, just pulled one and threw a small one in. For $230CAD together I can't complain, I can pull 6oz every 80 days
Trucker
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@PhatNuggz those are some nice looking buds.
I am pretty sure I have decided that I am going with the California Light Works Solarstorm 440 on a lightrail to cover some more space until I can afford to add more lighting. Along with a Phresh carbon filter 6"×24" and 900cfm fan. Still deciding where to get seeds from have been looking at Nirvana but have been hearing alot of negative things so don't know. Any suggestions on seeds coming to an unfriendly state?
Thanks
Trucker
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@north knect looking good :)
north knect
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Thx man, as for the solar storm I think u will be thoroughly impressed, I've seen some nice results in a side by side grow of the solarstorm vs black dog I think it was, regardless it's better then what working with but my main focus is outdoors. The wife lets me tinker in my closet durin the cold Canadian winter lol
SwizzleStix
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Ya sorry you hang up a 600w hps and hang 600w worth of leds then you let me know which gives better results. You can shit in one hand and piss in the other and let me know which one fills up first. I'm entitled to an opinion as much as the next guy. If you want a small not as penetrative foot print go for it.
PhatNuggz
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Your problem is believing that watts are equal. We are not concerned about watts alone. We are concerned about umoles (look it up), but basically, it is the amount of PAR photons delivered to one square meter of canopy.
Do a YT search for GreenGenesGarden, a very accomplished long time grower. He put your argument to bed by doing a side-by-side using a top flight 1000w hps/ballast/hood vs an Apache Tech 600w led: the Apache having 40% fewer watts, so not even watt vs watt.
The Apache is a WHITE led, not a BS Pseudo-science red/blue panel. Once the plants were harvested he had each analyzed by and independent lab.
hth
SwizzleStix
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Everyone is out to further their own agenda. I trust my experience and it's not for me. I use leds but I don't think they offer any energy saving advantages besides heat reduction. I use during veg and as supplemental.
indicabush
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Underpowered, inferior and surprisingly low cost LED lamps permeate the market. Their poor performance negatively and unfairly affects the overall general perception of genuinely reliable high-powered, high-performing units. This is one reason many growers remain skeptical about the technology.
SwizzleStix
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Sounds like a marketing slogan. You can buy a $200 1000 watt ballast and light with minimal differences between the high dollar stuff. I'm not spending your money and your not spending mine. I don't care that much.
PhatNuggz
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My only "agenda" is to correct ignorance.
What's the old saying 'You can lead a horse to water..."?
SwizzleStix
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The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.
Here's a nice read.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0099010
Here's a nice read.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0099010
indicabush
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It was a nice read....abstract is 2 years old and conducted in a greenhouse environment. Why would you want to base your stand on references that go back as far as the 1940's ? Conclusions and supporting info has changed or have they remained linear till now?
SwizzleStix
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The Otto combustion engine in a car is 100 plus years old and it's not only referenced but used in almost every automobile.why would anyone use that as a reference. Medelian genetics is almost 200 years old it's referenced every day for practical and academic use. The periodic table densities, specific heat capacity of substances all referenced and all found 100+ years ago. I could go on. The article is 18 months old. Which isn't not that old.
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keiksweat
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Its pointless trying to convince you,your obviously a hps lover.I was too.now I use a mixture of led hps even uvb lights.i get great results with cheap led panels.if you learn that led and hps are two completely different animals.
indicabush
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Change is good for some us and at best difficult for others. I have no issues with HPS other than I prefer Made In America LED's
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