Large Plants Vs Germination Dates

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What is the best germination day for large plant starts?

  • Jan

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Feb

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Early March

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Late March

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Early April

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Late April

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Bulldog420

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The real purpose of this thread is to show plant size, then correlate said plant to start dates. Many trolls come on here and tell people to germ their plants in Jan. I have put up essays, university documents, videos from agronomist that show this isn't the case. I get shouted down every time.

So instead of posting university studies, or talks from agronomist, I was hoping somebody that started their plants in Jan could post up a picture of said giant results? I call bullshit 100%, and nobody will post pics to prove me wrong.

Challenge is on the table boys.

Germ dates are March 23, April 23rd and April 25th

For size reference, the greenhouse beds are 16x5x2, and hold 5 yards. The Ancient Og is in a 1000 gallon smart pot, and the smallest pictured is in a 400 gallon pot. These pictures were taken around July 1st. All plants are 8'tall, with my tallest at 12'
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Well i guess it depends on your latitude and how well you are on being a grower ,
Experience knowing soils and some biology.
Understanding what the plants needs
Knowing what strains are capable of being huge tree's etc
Not all strains are Equal
As for what months personally like to germ seeds in march giving me 2 months before planting out door..
This year was a wreck Many seeds did not germinate, hd issues so on last dith effort germinated May 7th and the plant is well on her way of becoming a massive tree .. @ 6 feet tall already
With another 2.5 months of natural veg time she will be sprouting `12 - 14 feet high and wide
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Beautiful plants brother.

I think you started at a great time. I personally believe anything in March you have to be on your game, and know all the tricks and hazards. April gets easier, and May is for an easy sailing summer. If I could grow 1000 plants instead of 100, I would germinate in May for sure. Anybody germinating before March IMO, is a sucker. Spending time and energy on a plant that wont outgrow an April 1st start.

Just my two cents.
 
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All I said was IMO. If you have evidence, then please go right ahead. This is the third, maybe forth year where zero people have posted a tree that was germinated any earlier than mid Feb.

Just clearing up a canna myth that is spread more than Land O Lakes. I care because the truth will set you free. All these canna lies must come to an end.

The sucker part comes from me KNOWING that a start that early will result in wasted time and energy. Period. Just waiting for some evidence to the contrary.
 
ken dog

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The onus is on you to prove your claim... It is your claim.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that an early planting is wasted time and energy?
 
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I have, several times. This is a continuation of that thread.

If you read the first post, (in this thread or the other) I clearly stated how in the past I have gone about this, and got shouted down. Now I am getting shouted down again.
 
ken dog

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Nope. .. I don't care either way... Just wondering why you thought the way you did, and waiting for some evidence or a reputable link.
 
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I have posted agronomist talks on this, university papers, what else do you want?

Proof is in the garden my friend. My plants are healthy, large and in charge. The challenge was to show YOUR pics, not talk crap about others.

This thread is done, I proved my point. All hate, but nobody can show otherwise.
 
ken dog

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I only see hate and disdain coming from you... Pot meet kettle.

If you have any information (besides pics), to show, post the links... otherwise, I'll just mark it down as another troll.
A troll that is trying to bully and push his way through the forums, and impose his own growing style and beliefs on others.
 
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ok, I will bite. I have posted this many many times, a search engine would do you good. Here is a quick, easy video that proves from one of the worlds best agronomist. Please watch it, don't waste my time.

Screw it, I will just copy and paste the last

@MrRojos you claim your not the most experienced grower, yet you insist on telling the most experienced growers on the boards they are assuming too much.....Blaze and even Markscastle, agrees.

I will ask you a couple questions, wonder if you can answer.

How can you grow a plant with optimal health with small indoor containers? How is your soil applying optimal amounts of nutrition? Minerals? How is your bacterial life? Please explain how this can happen with optimal results with indoor containers and small soil volumes from (yes I am assuming) fresh soil?

Here is some real information, from a real agronomist. Not Hightimes! (face palm)


All info in italics are quotes from other sources.

John Kempf is a leading crop health consultant and designer of innovative soil and plant management systems. John is the founder and CEO of Advancing Eco Agriculture.


John, a member of the Amish community, grew up on a fruit and vegetable farm in Northeast Ohio and experienced first hand the challenges faced by many crop producers. Growing fresh market vegetables since 1994, John witnessed intensifying disease and insect pressure on crops which gradually failed to respond to the usual pesticide treatments.



John is an internationally-recognized speaker on the topic of biological agriculture and plant immunity. He has a unique ability to simplify and clearly explain very complex concepts in the areas of soil and plant health. He skillfully discusses the larger social and environmental impacts of food, agriculture, and ecology.Through intense study, the knowledge gleaned from many industry leaders, John began building a comprehensive systems-based approach to plant nutrition - a system solidly based on the sciences of plant physiology, mineral nutrition, and soil microbiology.



John’s mission is to provide support to the world’s farmers and globally impact our food supply. He founded Advancing Eco Agriculture in 2006, which has quickly become a leader in the area of soil and plant nutrition. To learn more about John, visit his LinkedIn profile.

Ok, now for some science: Keep in mind we are talking optimal plant health, and what those different stages are. Just because your plants are big and green, really doesn't mean a thing.


Now before I move too fast, is everybody with me?

So I asked, "How can you grow a plant with optimal health with small indoor containers? How is your soil applying optimal amounts of nutrition? Minerals? How is your bacterial life? Please explain how this can happen with optimal results with indoor containers and small soil volumes from (yes I am assuming) fresh soil?"

Can somebody now see the connection between plant health, and the ability to keep that plant in full health. If you understand the process in which Mr. Kempf was explaining in the video, that can't happen in small indoor containers. You need soil that is mature, full of bacterial and fugal compounds, ph stable, mineral rich that is plant available, ext ext.

I have a ton of proprietary information that I attained at a seminar in which John Kempf was a speaker, plant sap seminar. He really dove into why plants need to maintain rapid growth. It's clear as day to me. If anybody cares for me to continue, I will. However I wont respond to negativity.

Just food for thought, listen from the point I started the video, up to 32 seconds. That gives you an idea on what you need to learn/know to fully understand what I am talking about. So many facets in growing, just saying more veg time equals bigger yields is ignorant.

 
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All that applies to keeping a plant healthy, and vigorously growing in the spring.
 
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This is the response I got after I posted that....Attacking my family which I reported to mods, then got banned for reporting.

Funny you mention John kempf.Or as I've called him my whole life uncle kemp.Yes you are a great grower but no you are not some kind of something special.
My physio analysis of you is [email protected] determinations of people's skill set,standards of living,and mind frames based solely on a few vague statements from them indicate a low level of intellectual intuition,sub par educational background,imbred cultural heritage,and definitely a inferiority complex to just name a few.
You learn a script wrote by others,memorise it then proceed to transform into your "cave man's club" which is then used to in your mind "beat" your "greatness" into everyone who you do not idolize.
Your need to show your best when acting your worse would definitely be linked to you feeling inferior.Usually,since I'm guessing your older than 40 your main influence which makes you lash out at others is your wife's teleconnetic signals your brain procieves as she deems you inferior.Your thinking your wife is unimpressed with your manlyhood is what without you knowing it one of your core drives to from day to day win different scenarios.
Your portraying yourself as a educated,clever,manly man when in fact your words to a physiologist tells him your a uneducated,script reading,mean little boy who most likely wears lady under garments when you feel threatened which is Textbook behavior for a self loathing fella such as yourself.
Pm me your real name and I'll ask uncle kemp if he knows you.From your script reading idolizing manorisms I'd almost be willing to bet if he's heard of you he probably would say your a border line stalker and possible peeping tom.
Get some help@bs11 I see right threw you and like your wife am very very unimpressed.

Nothing has changed.
 
ken dog

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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that just giving something more veg time, results in a higher yield... I think in every thread that I've been involved in, it is always the answer, "it depends on your canopy before flip."
So I won't argue against your strawman... I agree that veg time does not equal a greater yield... It simply depends on many other factors, which is in agreement with the article you copied and pasted.
 
Bulldog420

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I don't think you will get much proof to refute your claims Bulldog...

Starting seeds in January is just stupid.

Everything you have said in this thread is spot on and accurate.

edit: Good to see you back on the Farm.

Thanks. Coming from a pro like you makes me feel a lot better. Hope your ready for flower, cause here it comes! Best of luck.
 
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